← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Craig Smith
Thread ID: 11466 | Posts: 23 | Started: 2003-12-14
2003-12-14 04:16 | User Profile
"I think you are correct in this assessment: the old organizations are dying. This to me however must be viewed in the metaphor of a lizard moulting. The older form is being destroyed and replaced. In my view, these people are flies around you and this is why they cannot be destroyed. My advice is to instead wholly ignore them and focus on the future.
In my view, the white nationalist future will not be people talking about how much they hate black people and Jews (this is my view of VNN and the NA), but people reprogramming themselves to bypass Jewish values, thus gaining the ideological certainty they need to let ideology take a back seat to personal, tribal and racial success. VNNforum is a lot of talkers and no doers; the National Alliance has become a dead cycle. My own work with the LNSG and yours and that of Matt Hale seem to dovetail together here since we are the new inheritors of a vision that is not limited to being bitter and dysfunctional."
[url]http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=6348[/url]
2003-12-17 04:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Craig Smith]the National Alliance has become a dead cycle[/QUOTE]
I dispute that statement. Allow me to copy a [URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=105288]post from Stormfront[/URL] - here is a rundown of some of the NA's accomplishments during 2003.
[B]The weekend in Lewiston, Maine:[/B]
A group of roughly 2 dozen NA members showed up at Lewiston, Maine for a weekend long event where we garnered news coverage from Lewiston to Portland and dominated the TV broadcasts for days.
[B]The Kobe Bryant literature distribution:[/B]
Since that day, weââ¬â¢ve discovered 30 more related stories, making a minimum of 120 documented television segments or newspaper articles from one literature distribution. We can all learn from this lesson in timeliness and topicality and courage that has been given to us by our Colorado members.
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=90[/url]
[B]Road signs in Denver and Orlando:[/B]
In late June, members in the Denver area hung a large banner from a major highway overpass in the downtown area. The sign was 16 feet wide by four feet tall and was headlined ââ¬ÅWho Rules America?ââ¬Â
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=66[/url]
WFTV ABC-9 in Orlando, Fla. recently broadcast a news report on the National Alliance billboard located on the Florida Turnpike north of Orlando. The large billboard asks, ââ¬ÅWho Rules Amerika?ââ¬Â The Web address ââ¬Ånatvan.comââ¬Â follows.
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1383[/url]
[B]Opening of the William L. Pierce Memorial Hall in Hillsboro:[/B] A 400 seat meeting hall with an 1.5 acre parking lot.
[B]St Louis Euro-fest:[/B] St. Louis EUROFEST tops 280 Euros in Attendance The local National Alliance under the leadership of Aaron Collins (pictured) increased its audience by 30% in a single year. [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1170[/url]
[B]Liberty State Park rally:[/B]
Hal Turner kicked off the protest with a rousing speech that was often interrupted by applause from the 75 people in attendance. The momentum continued as many other inspirational speakers took the microphone, facing the Statue of Liberty and the press.
History was made when National Alliance Northern New Jersey Unit Coordinator Rich Lindstrom presented the Alliance's message with the Lower Manhattan skyline, sans the World Trade Center Twin Towers, in the background. [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=546[/url]
[B]Madeleine Albright protests in Seattle:[/B]
In any case, we didnââ¬â¢t let a lack of rif-raf-augmented ranks stop us from doing what we could to spoil Albrightââ¬â¢s presentation and educate star-struck students and faculty about her criminal background. We marched from the library to the hall, lined up outside the entrance to the hall, displayed our (awesome) signs, loudly chanted catchy slogans (MADELEINE ALBRIGHT: WAR CRIMINAL), and ensured, despite constant police interference, that roughly one-third of the 800 people in attendance were armed with our FLYER. Iââ¬â¢d bet it was this latter action of ours that bothered her most. Note-cards or no, I doubt I could concentrate enough to describe a court with Kim Jong Il if I faced an audience as a quarter of its faces turned down periodically to study a digest sheet of my lifeââ¬â¢s biggest no-nos. But then again Iââ¬â¢m one of those people who know the sting of actually having to buy a scary mask on Halloween.
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1327[/url]
[B]Boycott Cabelas:[/B] Boycottcabelas.com As a multitude of motorists hit the road to get a head start on their holiday shopping yesterday, they couldn't have asked for better weather. Retailers were busy making preparations for the deluge of expected customers -- but one national sporting goods retailer in Hamburg, Pennsylvania was unprepared for the visit they received from the National Alliance on this pleasant Sunday afternoon. [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1238[/url]
2003-12-17 04:42 | User Profile
'people reprogramming themselves to bypass Jewish values'
Craig, could you explain and expound? Thanks.
2003-12-17 06:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Craig Smith]In my view, the white nationalist future will not be people talking about how much they hate black people and Jews (this is my view of VNN and the NA), but people reprogramming themselves to bypass Jewish values, thus gaining the ideological certainty they need to let ideology take a back seat to personal, tribal and racial success. Sounds like another sysiphian Triskelion riddle.> VNNforum is a lot of talkers and no doers; the National Alliance has become a dead cycle. My own work with the LNSG and yours and that of Matt Hale seem to dovetail together here since we are the new inheritors of a vision that is not limited to being bitter and dysfunctional."[/QUOTE] Might be nice to have a link to the original article. Otherwise I really can't form an opinion.
2004-01-03 20:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Braveheart]I dispute that statement. Allow me to copy a [URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=105288]post from Stormfront[/URL] - here is a rundown of some of the NA's accomplishments during 2003.[/QUOTE]
Ok, but what good has all this done? This sounds like back when Lincoln Rockwell sent a motorcycle rider around Washington DC with a sign on his back that read "Who needs niggers?" Oh, yeah, it may have made the news, but that's all.
I would estimate that Kevin MacDonald's books have done more to educate people on the Jews than everything the NA has done in 30 years. The response on fliers is abismal anyway. In my experience its not worth the time, money, and risk to distribute them.
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2004-01-03 20:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]Ok, but what good has all this done? This sounds like back when Lincoln Rockwell sent a motorcycle rider around Washington DC with a sign on his back that read "Who needs niggers?" Oh, yeah, it may have made the news, but that's all. Like most demonstrations.
I would estimate that Kevin MacDonald's books have done more to educate people on the Jews than everything the NA has done in 30 years. The response on fliers is abismal anyway. In my experience its not worth the time, money, and risk to distribute them. -[/QUOTE]
Of course MacDonald's books are not to my knowledge widely read, which seem confirmed by some people on this list with personal acquaintance with him. They are important though I think among a more select group of people acquainted with the ins and outs of a lot of these ideological debates, and have been popularized at least to a certain extent by sites such as Vdare (see neocon watch on MacDonald).
2004-01-03 20:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Of course MacDonald's books are not to my knowledge widely read, which seem confirmed by some people on this list with personal acquaintance with him. They are important though I think among a more select group of people acquainted with the ins and outs of a lot of these ideological debates, and have been popularized at least to a certain extent by sites such as Vdare (see neocon watch on MacDonald).[/QUOTE]
Kmac's books are sifting up through the rightwing/pro-white movement and doubtless into the hands of people outside the movement. Now folks like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis can't plead ignorance or pretend that the Jewish problem doesn't exist. Its all laid out in Kmac's three scholarly volumes. As long as only people like the NA were talking about Jews, they could be ignored, but not now.
Of course, people can criticize this or that point, but still the overwhelming case made by Kmac is too strong to ignore and will impress any objective reader. The Jews will avoid it so as to prevent even more people from becoming aware of the books. But he has made a timeless analysis that will stand for decades.
I even saw where Kmac was described by a hostile writer as the "Karl Marx of anti-semitism."
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2004-01-03 20:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]Kmac's books are sifting up through the rightwing/pro-white movement and doubtless into the hands of people outside the movement. Now folks like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis can't plead ignorance or pretend that the Jewish problem doesn't exist. Its all laid out in Kmac's three scholarly volumes. As long as only people like the NA were talking about Jews, they could be ignored, but not now.
Of course, people can criticize this or that point, but still the overwhelming case made by Kmac is too strong to ignore and will impress any objective reader. The Jews will avoid it so as to prevent even more people from becoming aware of the books. But he has made a timeless analysis that will stand for decades. Maybe. Maybe 1000 copies of books like his actually can make a difference. (That seems to be one vague estimate of the books circulation. I figure any book that you still can by directly from the author is not exactly on the NYT best seller list.
I even saw where Kmac was described by a hostile writer as the "Karl Marx of anti-semitism." -[/QUOTE]
That was John Derbyshire in TAC "The Marx of the Anti-Semites". Again, MacDonald may be good, but when even in Buchanan's TAC we're limited to hostile reviews, its not about to turn the world upside down.
(I know all the VNNers have a low opinion on Buchanan, and I admit at times he does things to merit such, although I strive to be fair).
2004-01-03 20:54 | User Profile
Also add Solzhenitsyn as another credible voice. Of course, only after his work is going to be translated into English :lol:
What's up with the translation, after all it's not written or needs to be translated to Hewbrew or Yiddish?
2004-01-04 00:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Maybe. Maybe 1000 copies of books like his actually can make a difference. (That seems to be one vague estimate of the books circulation. I figure any book that you still can by directly from the author is not exactly on the NYT best seller list. [/QUOTE]
I don't think he sells them directly anymore. I tried to buy some from him about a year ago. He said everything was sold through his publisher, 1st Books.
Everyone should have copies of his books. Yes, Duke's book is really good, but Kmac's books you could use as a source on a college paper or cite in a letter to the editor.
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2004-01-04 01:27 | User Profile
I would guess 50,000 copie's of C.of C by Sir Kevin have been sold. When I ordered my two books, the women at first books told me most people were buying five to twenty copies... Here is something by a 33 year old MIT grad.. This man has it together on the who rulz U.S. and the outcome.. [url]http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/[/url] I found this to be an astounding summary of our position....
2004-01-05 22:12 | User Profile
I've distributed ten of thousands of fliers alone and with others over the course of my life, and it was all an absolute waste of time. For ever 2,000 fliers you pass out you'll maby get one letter and they either never join, or they are a total wacko.
I did large distrobutions several times a year from when I was 17 to age 26. I still have old friends that want me to flyer with them, but now I refuse to.
The worst is these people that throw Neo-Nazi flyers on driveways (something I never did), they only make us look bad.
I always passed out proffesional looking materials door to door, but still got nothings.
[QUOTE=wild_bill]Ok, but what good has all this done? This sounds like back when Lincoln Rockwell sent a motorcycle rider around Washington DC with a sign on his back that read "Who needs niggers?" Oh, yeah, it may have made the news, but that's all.
I would estimate that Kevin MacDonald's books have done more to educate people on the Jews than everything the NA has done in 30 years. The response on fliers is abismal anyway. In my experience its not worth the time, money, and risk to distribute them.
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2004-01-05 22:17 | User Profile
Culture of Critique is the best book you can use. Philip Rushtons' book is good too. They are both exciting to read and that makes them marketable and practicle.
Rushton and Kevin MacDonald are probably creating more intelligent, proffesional, white racialists each year than the amount of misfits and wackos that the Turner Diaries created in it's 25+ year history.
[QUOTE=Smedley Butler]I would guess 50,000 copie's of C.of C by Sir Kevin have been sold. When I ordered my two books, the women at first books told me most people were buying five to twenty copies... Here is something by a 33 year old MIT grad.. This man has it together on the who rulz U.S. and the outcome.. [url]http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/[/url] I found this to be an astounding summary of our position....[/QUOTE]
2004-01-06 01:09 | User Profile
Fact is, no one, no matter how gifted, can craft a message that will reach the lemmings. This jewish propaganda blitz, using TV, movies, the print media, radio, is unprecedented in human history and the average human brain just cannot resist it. Hell, my IQ's over 130 but if I hadn't had some up close and personal experience with "diversity" I'd probably still be falling for the multi-culti BS hook, line, and sinker like everyone else. We need some divine assistance, like, say, a car load of drunken illegal aliens driving up on the sidewalk and squashing RimJob flat during one of his curbside "We Fellate the President" rallies.
2004-01-06 01:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]... if I hadn't had some up close and personal experience with "diversity" I'd probably still be falling for the multi-culti BS hook, line, and sinker like everyone else. We need some divine assistance, like, say, a car load of drunken illegal aliens driving up on the sidewalk and squashing RimJob flat during one of his curbside "We Fellate the President" rallies.[/QUOTE]
Heh heh. The up close and personal experiences are the thing that will get the ball rolling for us in the end. Most Americans are still too comfortable. The lemmings in CA are finally starting to be roused from the trance, and the rest of the country will soon start to rub its collective eyes as it wakes up. Why? The rising tide of brown shit flowing in from South of our "border". It's a better wake up call than blacks rioting every so often. The mestizo menace, the crime, the welfare, everything, is rolling right on up to the front doors of most Americans. The congratulatory immigration cigar is going to blow up in the faces of the zhid/NWO crowd, no doubt about it. Their greed has rendered them incapable of thinking ahead in certain circumstances. Their arrogance won't allow the bulk of them to take corrective measures.
2004-01-06 06:32 | User Profile
Well, I disagree, Roy. I'm betting that Americans will go down just like Romans. They'll literally choose death rather than offend their preferred citizens or be deemed disloyal to the government of Amerisrael. I just wish the savages would hurry up and take over so that, if any of us survive, we'll have shed our worthless fat.
2004-01-06 10:22 | User Profile
At the very least, Whites will have to be backed in to a corner before they begin to resist. In places like S. California, because of high real estate prices, non-Whites pouring into every community, land use restrictions, and a declining standard of living, White flight is becoming less and less of an option. Here in the midwest it's still relatively easy, though not as easy as it once was, because of the disappearance of the middle class. I used to live in Dick Gephardt's district and the southern part of it was full of Whites who'd been driven out of the northern part by invading negroes and yet they continued to send that race traitor POS back to DC every two years. I don't know what it will take to reach them, maybe when their TVs get ripped off and they can't get their ESPN fix of negro athletes and they're too afraid to leave the house to buy another one because of the Mestizo gang-bangers in the front yard. I read somewhere that one of the reasons the South African Whites gave up their country was because of the sanctions that prohibited their soccer teams from international competition, so who knows what White boys are capable of doing when you take away their ball games.
2004-01-06 13:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Braveheart]1.5 acre parking lot.
[B]St Louis Euro-fest:[/B] St. Louis EUROFEST tops 280 Euros in Attendance The local National Alliance under the leadership of Aaron Collins (pictured) increased its audience by 30% in a single year. [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1170[/url]
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You forgot to mention that a week later it hit the media that Eurofest was put on by the National Alliance. Every single act publicly denounced the NA and vowed never to perform at Euro feest again. The German Hall also publicly denounced the NA and vowed never to let them use the hall again.
2004-01-06 21:58 | User Profile
Speaking of bypassing, I usually bypass anything that comes from "overthrow.com."
The collapse of White nationalism. The rise of White nationalism. Yawn. Everyone's always saying that 1) We are on the verge of victory, the government's about the collapse, millions of quiet Whites are about to revolt or 2) All is lost, all Whites are going to be dead in 10 years, the Jews are the ones on the verge of victory.
Doubt either's true. A ramping-up of white nationalist ideas - the two main ones being racial difference needing an accounting and Jewish influence being negative - will start to seep into the public's collective brain, and you'll see some changes as a result.
I remain skeptical that Whites with their backs up against the wall will turn into White nationalists. They won't, unless someone out there is saying, "Hey, it doesn't have to be that way."
2004-01-07 06:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]Fact is, no one, no matter how gifted, can craft a message that will reach the lemmings. This jewish propaganda blitz, using TV, movies, the print media, radio, is unprecedented in human history and the average human brain just cannot resist it. Hell, my IQ's over 130 but if I hadn't had some up close and personal experience with "diversity" I'd probably still be falling for the multi-culti BS hook, line, and sinker like everyone else. We need some divine assistance, like, say, a car load of drunken illegal aliens driving up on the sidewalk and squashing RimJob flat during one of his curbside "We Fellate the President" rallies.[/QUOTE]
How did I overlook this GREAT post? :lol: :cheers:
2004-01-08 08:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]At the very least, Whites will have to be backed in to a corner before they begin to resist. In places like S. California, because of high real estate prices, non-Whites pouring into every community, land use restrictions, and a declining standard of living, White flight is becoming less and less of an option. Here in the midwest it's still relatively easy, though not as easy as it once was, because of the disappearance of the middle class. I used to live in Dick Gephardt's district and the southern part of it was full of Whites who'd been driven out of the northern part by invading negroes and yet they continued to send that race traitor POS back to DC every two years. [/QUOTE]Well the attitude of the White population certainly seems to vary from place to place. If the St. Louis white flighters (I think that's the area you were talking about) didn't seem to show any particular predilection to change things, the same can't be said for the voters in Metarie, LA, who elected David Duke state representative.
I don't think Americans are incorrigable defeatists, as Metarie shows. There is a good fraction of course of liberals who resists any change, or Republican opportunists. Duke shows there is widespread support still possible incertain areas of the country for a candidate who is articulate, charismatic, sophisticated, organized, and courageous.
Also to be succesful in the long term, a candidate needs a clear and compelling vision and strategy.
Unfortunately todays WN movement seems to lack any of these things, in any part of the measure Duke once did.
2004-01-08 13:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Well the attitude of the White population certainly seems to vary from place to place. If the St. Louis white flighters (I think that's the area you were talking about) didn't seem to show any particular predilection to change things, the same can't be said for the voters in Metarie, LA, who elected David Duke state representative.
I don't think Americans are incorrigable defeatists, as Metarie shows. There is a good fraction of course of liberals who resists any change, or Republican opportunists. Duke shows there is widespread support still possible incertain areas of the country for a candidate who is articulate, charismatic, sophisticated, organized, and courageous.
Also to be succesful in the long term, a candidate needs a clear and compelling vision and strategy.
Unfortunately todays WN movement seems to lack any of these things, in any part of the measure Duke once did.[/QUOTE]
Well, even people in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's disease have occasional moments of clarity, don't they? :) You make a good point but it happens so rarely that it's not very encouraging. Of course, you never know until you try. It certainly wouldn't hurt to have a flurry of articulate pro-White activists out there in the political arena, but they'd better hurry up. With this insane Bush administration in power who knows how much longer it will be before it's illegal for Whites to organize to protect their own interests.
2004-01-09 00:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]Well, even people in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's disease have occasional moments of clarity, don't they? :) You make a good point but it happens so rarely that it's not very encouraging. Of course, you never know until you try. It certainly wouldn't hurt to have a flurry of articulate pro-White activists out there in the political arena, but they'd better hurry up. With this insane Bush administration in power who knows how much longer it will be before it's illegal for Whites to organize to protect their own interests.[/QUOTE]Yes, Duke's are not elected very often, but they are elected, and Duke isn't the only one. The problem just isn't that they aren't elected, but they, and the movement, don't really seem to know what to do with this success when they are elected or have other transitory success, which always draws the inevitable counterattacks.
Duke, let's remember, was elected, but it would seem very little has been learnd from it. Duke now sits in a jail cell, forgotten except for a few friends.