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Okiereddust [OP]

2003-11-26 08:39 | User Profile

[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D677FCD1-9341-405C-AD2C-93E52E8DB77A.htm[/url]

Israel embraces Italian neo-fascist By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank

Monday 24 November 2003, 19:15 Makka Time, 16:15 GMT

Ariel Sharon (L) welcomes Italian deputy PM Gianfranco Fini Related: Israel's credentials questioned

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Israeli government officials and opposition leaders have met the leader of Italy's neo- fascist National Alliance party, Gianfranco Fini.

Fini, who is also Italy’s deputy prime minister, arrived on an official visit to Israel on Sunday night. The visit has drawn harsh criticism from leftist politicians and Palestinians.

On Monday, he met with Israeli President Moshe Katsav, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom as well as opposition leader Shimon Peres.

Fini’s visit to Israel at the Sharon government’s invitation drew angry reactions from leaders of the leftist opposition. Yossi Beilin, a former minister of Justice and one-time deputy-foreign minister, called the visit a “disgrace to Israel”.

“It is only because he (Fini) supports the fence that he is receiving a red carpet here.”

Meretz leader Yossi Sarid also criticised the visit, calling it “opportunistic” and “a concordance of interests”.

"It's a shame, a real shame," he said. "The battle against anti-Semitism has to be waged from a firm base of values and principles. If the world senses that it is a political, cynical and opportunist Israeli fight, its foundations will be shaken and it will completely lose its moral validity."

Supporter of Israel

Israeli spokespeople contacted by Aljazeera.net refused to explain why Israel decided to invite the Italian fascist leader despite the fact that Jews suffered tremendously at the hands of the fascists in Europe in the past century.

One Israeli spokesman, who asked for anonymity, argued that “Fini has been reformed”.

However, when asked whether Fini was still sympathetic to the legacy of Italian fascistic movement, the Israeli spokesperson remarked that “the important thing is that he supports Israel. We can’t reject or rebuff foreign leaders as long as they support our country. Other aspects of their ideology is none of our business”.

This view, however, is rare among Israeli intellectuals and public opinion leaders.

"Sharon is a close friend of Berlusconi, and he can’t refuse to receive his deputy in Israel"

Roni Shakid, Yediot Aharanot writer Roni Shakid, a prominent writer in Israel’s popular paper, Yediot Aharanot, suggested that opportunism is the driver of this visit.

“They are courting him (Fini) because he supports the security wall and the settlements and because he is deputy prime minister and could become Prime Minister one day,” Shakid told Aljazeera.net.

“You know (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon is a close friend of (Italian Prime Minister Silvio) Berlusconi, and he can’t refuse to receive his deputy in Israel,” he added.

Anti-Muslim views

Sharon was on a three-day visit to Italy last week, ostensibly to thank Italy for its support for Israel and opposition to frequent EU criticism of Israeli policies.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz quoted foreign ministry sources as citing three main reasons for the Israeli decision to court Fini, who is known for his anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim views.

These include Fini’s objection to anti-Semitism, the fact that the US and other countries have recognised him and the position of the Italian Jewish community which supported the visit.

Fini is a supporter of Israel's apartheid wall However, another reason for the Israeli government’s embrace of Fini seems to lie in his anti-Arab, especially anti-Palestinian, stance, as well his support for Israel’s repressive measures against Palestinians and territorial expansion in the West Bank.

Fini, who once called Italy’s wartime dictator Benito Mussolini "the greatest politician of the 20th century", repeatedly voiced his support for Sharon’s repressive policies against Palestinians, including the destruction of Palestinian homes, farms and infrastructure.

Fini has also backed the apartheid wall Israel is building in the West Bank, which, according to Amiram Barkat, a correspondent for the Haaretz newspaper, makes him the most prominent supporter of Sharon’s policies in contemporary Europe.

Birds of a feather

Fini’s visit to Israel has also drawn the ire of some of the leaders of the Arab community in Israel.

Arab Knesset member Talab al-Sanie described the visit as a “classical example of similar birds flocking together.”

Fini (2nd R) at a holocaust memorial in Jerusalem “I am not surprised at all. We have to remind ourselves and others that this Israeli government is fascist to the hilt. If you examine its policies, ideology and especially its actions, you will reach this conclusion. So this is a fascist government receiving a fellow fascist leaders. Similar birds flock together.”

Al-Sanie lashed out at Zionism, calling it a “movement bereft of moral principles”.

“This visit underscores the huge difference between Zionism and the Jewish people. For Zionism, even fascists and Nazis can be good friends as long as they support Israel and stand against its victims,” he said.

Al-Sanie said that Israel’s embrace of Fini and the Italian fascist camp is consistent with the long-standing Israeli policies of supporting fascist and right-wing repressive regimes throughout the world.

“Have we forgotten Israel’s strong relations with the defunct apartheid regime in South Africa, the (Augusto) Pinochet regime in Chile, and other fascist juntas in Latin America?” he asked.

Madrid burns

2003-11-26 09:21 | User Profile

Fini never was a neofascist, the MSI party (now National Alliance) neither it was a Fascist party (it was anticommunist, semi-nationalist, pro-American, pro-Zionist and pro-NATO). In Italy there are not Fascist parties because they were prohibited by the anti-fascist Shelba law in 1946.

From the defeat of Europe by the American invader and the Soviet monster, the Fascist parties stopped to exist. All the intents of reconstructing the Italian Fascist party were stopped by the new puppet state created to serve to the Judeo-American interests.

Okiereddust

2003-11-26 09:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Madrid burns]Fini never was a neofascist, the MSI party (now National Alliance) neither it was a Fascist party (it was anticommunist, semi-nationalist, pro-American, pro-Zionist and pro-NATO). In Italy there are not Fascist parties because they were prohibited by the anti-fascist Shelba law in 1946.

From the defeat of Europe by the American invader and the Soviet monster, the Fascist parties stopped to exist. All the intents of reconstructing the Italian Fascist party were stopped by the new puppet state created to serve to the Judeo-American interests.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification, although the Italian right still is something I'm hazy on. I'm not even really sure for instance how much of an anti-semite Mussolini was himself, if that's the definition of "fascist".

Madrid burns

2003-11-26 09:58 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Thanks for the clarification, although the Italian right still is something I'm hazy on. I'm not even really sure for instance how much of an anti-semite Mussolini was himself, if that's the definition of "fascist".[/QUOTE]

The historical Fascist party was anti-Semitic but in a smaller magnitude than the German NSDAP, however the Fascist National Party was never Philosemitic like the MSI-National Alliance, neither it was pro-American or pro-Zionist.

The MSI-National Alliance was a false flag operation created to cheat to the people that still sympathized by Mussolini (several millions of Italians) during the Cold War period, it was a fake fascist party that (with its extra-parliamentarian groups: Ordine Nouvo, Avanguardia Nazionale, Fronte Nazionale, Terza Posizione, etc.) collaborated as a "neofascist" mercenary force in the defense of the Bourgeois Anti-fascist State and of the anti-European and judeo-american plutocratic West.

jamestown

2003-11-26 18:57 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Francisco Franco actually offered asylum to Jews and others who fled NS occupied Europe, while the Lebanese Falange ranked as Israel's only ally in the Arab world.[/QUOTE]

Franco was maybe the first jewish fascist.

[url]http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3835[/url]

[B]More than four centuries later, Adolf Hitler provided military aid to install dictator Francisco Franco as ruler of Spain. Hitler then was disappointed when Franco refused to involve Spain on the Nazi side during World War II. Hitler, whose anti-Semitic dogma held that anyone with even a drop of Jewish blood 500 generations back in his ancestry was still a Jew, apparently did not know that Franco's ancestors were Jewish "conversos" - and that Franco, by Hitler's own definition, was therefore a Jew. The same was true of at least one king of Spain.[/B]

Madrid burns

2003-11-26 19:33 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]

Fascism proper (as opposed to National Socialism) outside Italy was similar in its attitude of neutrality towards racial and ethnic questions. The Spanish Falange remained neutral during WW2. Francisco Franco actually offered asylum to Jews and others who fled NS occupied Europe, while the Lebanese Falange ranked as Israel's only ally in the Arab world.[/QUOTE]

Well, the Francoism never was a Fascist Regime, and the Falange in spite of having won the war with the other forces of Right (national catholics, monarchists, the rightwing CEDA, etc) it didn't have any ideological influence on the new régime of the 18 of July 1936. The Francoism was an authoritarian right-wing régime whose differences with the current Spanish conservative party (PP, The Popular Party) are very small. The Francoism didn't have more ideology than the pragmatism and the opportunism: When the Nazi existed the Francoism was pro-Nazi, but when the Americans won the war the Francoism became pro-American (it allowed the installation of American military bases in Spanish land) and pro-zionist. When the EU orders that it stopped to be authoritarian to enter in the European Community, the Francoism it became democratic. Then many of its leaders united to right-wing democratic parties similar to the American republican party as AP (Popular Alliance), the predecessor of the PP.

And Franco offered asylum to the Jews, with that he paid them the financial help that the Jews of Morocco gave him in his crusade against the republican régime.

Madrid burns

2003-11-26 19:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=jamestown]Franco was maybe the first jewish fascist.

[url]http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3835[/url]

[B]More than four centuries later, Adolf Hitler provided military aid to install dictator Francisco Franco as ruler of Spain. Hitler then was disappointed when Franco refused to involve Spain on the Nazi side during World War II. Hitler, whose anti-Semitic dogma held that anyone with even a drop of Jewish blood 500 generations back in his ancestry was still a Jew, apparently did not know that Franco's ancestors were Jewish "conversos" - and that Franco, by Hitler's own definition, was therefore a Jew. The same was true of at least one king of Spain.[/B][/QUOTE]

That is crap, the distant ancestors of Franco they were military Andalusianses without any drop of jewish blood, if Franco had been Jewish he had never been able to be military because even in modern times it was not allowed the Jews to be part of the Spanish Army. If his ancestors has been Jewish they have never been allowed to be military (we cannot forget that Franco came from a military aristocratic family).

Much of what is said on Franco's supposed Jewish origin is for his last name "Franco" that is a common last name among the Jewish Marranos, however that is not evidence of anything because many gentiles also have that last name and others, the last name Rosemberg is also a very common last name between the Jewish Askenazim and gentiles like Alfred Rosemberg also have that last name.

Mithras

2003-11-28 19:48 | User Profile

The bastard even condemned the Magus Julius Evola.

OlafLynckner

2003-12-05 04:12 | User Profile

The Spanish fellow is right in that in no way was Franco Fascist. Franco wanted nothing more then simple autocracy, social stability and moderate, but traditional Catholicism. While better then Bolsheviks by far he was reactionary and self serving in the worst way and failed to create a state capable of stopping national destruction. He oppressed Fascists and all NR people as much as modern social democrats do now. In short, Franco is no model for nationalists and has much to reject from a Eurocentric point of view.

Fini is not a Fascist and never was. His National Alliance party are neo-cons and no better then American Republicans. The MSI was very complicated however. It was a moderately pro Fascist party, although not the kind I like, until the late 60s. Until the late ‘80s it had many factions that embraced various kinds of vitalistic Fascism and National Socialism although they never took control of the party they were a major force at times.

During the Mussolini era the Fascist party was anti jewish (read Giovanni Gentile and D’Anunzio and the more radical “spiritualistic” or “vitalistic” schools) but because the jewish problem was not as serious it was in central Europa it was not emphasized so much. The same is true in most of Southern Europa in that racial aliens did not control the state and economy like they did in the West, Northern and Eastern nations during the ‘30s. So it is only natural that they did make it a major focus of what they believed then. Most modern, self titled Fascists embrace the Sao Republic (or RSI) era in which corporatism turned to traditional National Syndicalism and German inspired racism. Modern National Revolutionaries in Italy (save Evolians that have a stupid spiritual view of race and deny biology) are very anti-jew because they know that all of Europa is being destroyed because of jew hatred. Now that all of Europa is facing racial destruction anyone that is Eurocentric or NR of any kind must be a racialist and must be anti-jewish. We can not afford to pretend that race can be separated from nation as genetics, history and land are equal parts of national identity and can never be seen separately from each other.

Lots of excellent NR groups of different kinds are in Italy now of which the Northern League is biggest but many others are doing well on the local level occasionally make decent bids for parliament. A great many trends in Fascism are no different then a great many trends in National Socialism in some respects like economics and race and it is a great error to simply speak of such things as simply being a product of Hitler, Mussolini, DeRivera, Codreanu, Maurras or whom ever. All of these things belong to traditions of thought which produce parties that hold to their vitalism and gestalt which matter because they offer us utility today rather then mere history.