← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · David Ben-Ariel
Thread ID: 11197 | Posts: 26 | Started: 2003-11-22
2003-11-22 02:06 | User Profile
As reported on the front page of The Jerusalem Post (Jan. 8, 1996), the Israeli GSS("FBI") sought my deportation for my alleged involvement in a plot to BLOW UP THE Al-AKSA MOSQUE! This travesty of justice occurred during the witch-hunt that followed Prime Minister Rabin's assassination. The Leftists were exploiting the death of Rabin to squash their legal opposition. Such Stalinist tactics were condemned by former Russian refuseniks and Prisoners of Zion. Thankfully, the regime of Shimon Peres was toppled with the election of Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu.
As a Christian-American member of the TEMPLE MOUNT FAITHFUL movement, I had been privileged to participate in their legal demonstrations during my 10-month stay in Jerusalem awaiting dual citizenship. Israeli television often showed me with my Jewish friends carrying Israeli flags throughout the Old City. I have also been published in The Jerusalem Post, The Traveller and other publications about the burning issue of the TEMPLE MOUNT. The Temple Mount suffers under a MILITANT MUSLIM OCCUPATION that forcibly FORBIDS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS FROM PRAYING OR READING THE BIBLE there. This despite the fact that both biblical Temples stood there, and it is the location where Jesus and His disciples taught and prayed.
Israel has a law against such violent religious discrimination, but they're afraid to enforce it. Such shameful appeasement rewards the Muslim aggressors and punishes the innocent! The Temple Mount Faithful demands an end to this injustice. Meanwhile, the Muslim terrorists continue to destroy rich archaeological evidence upon the Temple Mount that proves JERUSALEM IS JEWISH! The world condemned the Muslim Taliban for blowing up a Buddhist idol, yet has remained deathly silent while JUDAISM'S HOLIEST SITE IS DESECRATED!
In my book, Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall, I've called for the Israeli government to exercise its biblical responsibility to BUILD THE TEMPLE. I wrote that book in the United States before any of this trouble. It clearly explains that I'm not calling for any individual to REMOVE THE MOSQUES, but rather expecting the GOVERNMENT to fulfill their historic obligations (if an "act of God" doesn't solve the problem first). I mentioned this to the police during my six and a half hours of night-time interrogation by six different men. Later I was imprisoned in Jerusalem's rotting Russian Compound (built by the Turks) for several weeks until my heartbreaking deportation (for highlighting the plight of the Temple Mount).
As my attorney in Israel, Naftali Warzberger, has written, MY FUTURE IS LINKED WITH THE JEWS AND ISRAEL. That is why I'm confident justice will prevail. Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (D. Ohio) persistently presented this case of religious discrimination and political persecution before our State Department that turned a blind eye to the facts. (It's now evident why, since the former Consul General in Jerusalem, Edward G. Abington, Jr., is presently a paid lackey of the terrorist PLO! Talk about a conflict of interests that should be investigated!). Senator Mike DeWine (R. Ohio) has inquired on my behalf to return to Zion and was informed that the Israeli Ministry of the Interior has made the decision not to grant the visa and does not offer any information behind their decision. They have since written Senator DeWine that I will not be eligible for a visa until 2005!
Gershon Salomon, chairman of the Jerusalem-based Temple Mount Faithful, assures me that a change is coming in Israel that will welcome me back and appreciate my efforts on behalf of Israel.
2003-11-22 02:13 | User Profile
What kind of a name is Ben-Ariel? The only kind of "Ben"s that I know of are Jewish-by-race. Are you Jewish-by-race?
2003-11-22 02:29 | User Profile
Shalom David,
Good to see a Freeper getting out and about on the web. Best of luck in your quest for Israeli citizenship. By the looks of it, Israel is the perfect homeland for you. My only hope and prayer to my Christian God is that America can be completely divorced from the problems of that armpit of the world.
2003-11-22 02:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]What kind of a name is Ben-Ariel? The only kind of "Ben"s that I know of are Jewish-by-race. Are you Jewish-by-race?[/QUOTE]
It is true that you can be Jewish by ethnicity or religious beliefs or both. I was born David Allen Hoover (of Protestant German and English descent) but legally changed my name in 1989 since I hoped to receive dual citizenship. However, since I am an outspoken Christian-Zionist, highlighting Israel's hypocrisy concerning the TEMPLE Mount, such citizenship has been presently denied. I trust the situation will change and I'll return to Israel and continue to work with friends there to do all we can to warn Israel about the UNJews - kapos of compromise - who are puppets of the fascist German-Jesuit led EU and will invite the disaster of their occupation - all in the name of "peace," of course.
2003-11-22 02:36 | User Profile
Ben-Ariel wrote:
However, since I am an outspoken Christian-Zionist,
Ahhh, one of those.
:censored:
2003-11-22 02:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Shalom David,
Good to see a Freeper getting out and about on the web. Best of luck in your quest for Israeli citizenship. By the looks of it, Israel is the perfect homeland for you. My only hope and prayer to my Christian God is that America can be completely divorced from the problems of that armpit of the world.[/QUOTE]
Thank you kindly! America will never be completely divorced from the Middle East with its problems, especially when we continue to foolishly demand that Israel practice "restraint" when waging their war against terrorism. Another, and vital reason we'll never totally distance ourselves from the holy region is because plenty of the white folk in the good ol' USA are part and parcel of the so-called Lost Ten Tribes of ISRAEL! The Anglo-Saxons are specifically of the Tribe of Joseph. So we have Jewish brethen, the Jews, and since we're from Joseph you can call us JOES! One day soon we'll wake up and work together to fight against our Muslim enemies and quit trying to think that dirty leopard is going to change its spots and become our friends and democratic!
2003-11-22 02:41 | User Profile
As a Christian-American member of the TEMPLE MOUNT FAITHFUL movement
So you're a dispensationalist at best, and a hebrew roots noahide at worst
Since this is a paleo board and the Christians here are overwhelmingly Orthodox, Roman Catholic, or non-dispensational Protestants, I can only assume you're here to troll.
2003-11-22 02:41 | User Profile
So I take it you are a rabid anti-papist, former Protestant, now rabid 'Christian' Zionist who's life mission is now to help rebuild the Jewish temple in Jerusalem?
Wow. How come it took you so long to join this board?
2003-11-22 02:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]So I take it you are a rabid anti-papist, former Protestant, now rabid 'Christian' Zionist who's life mission is now to help rebuild the Jewish temple in Jerusalem?[/QUOTE]
I would replace "rabid" with dedicated and agree with you, for the most part. My life's mission is an open book: Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall on public record @ [url]www.benariel.com[/url]
2003-11-22 02:47 | User Profile
Hey, Ben-Ariel:
Why do you support Izweal -- an illegal, apartheid state that sells our U.S. military secrets to China? How can a Christian support such a state? Hmmm?
2003-11-22 02:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Since this is a paleo board and the Christians here are overwhelmingly Orthodox, Roman Catholic, or non-dispensational Protestants, I can only assume you're here to troll.[/QUOTE]
Aw, have some fun, Centinel. I mean really, could we draw one up any more perfect?
2003-11-22 02:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Hey, Ben-Ariel:
Why do you support Izweal -- an illegal, apartheid state that sells our U.S. military secrets to China? How can a Christian support such a state? Hmmm?[/QUOTE]
WHY I love and support the country of ISRAEL is explained in another post, The Jewish Homeland. Even as I love the USA/Menashe, which my forefathers helped found (two on the Mayflower and 3 Presidents), that does NOT mean that I love everything that our beloved country does.
As is evident, I strongly support both the US and Israel on some issues and clearly condemn them on others. A case in point is this entire thread is based upon my strong CRITICISM of the insane Israeli policy of allowing Nazi-Muslims to occupy the Temple Mount and persecute devout Jews and Christian-Zionists.
[url]www.benariel.com[/url]
2003-11-22 03:55 | User Profile
So David, I guess you support the racist, illegal, and apartheid WALL being built to keep Palestinians out and off of their own land, further debasing and degrading an entire people and culture?? Mmmmmm, wonder why we can't build one of those dandys right on the Southern border of the United States?? Maybe build a wall within our urban centers to keep you-know-what out of White neighborhoods?? What do you think??? Maybe there's one standard for Israel, and then another standard for the Goyim????
2003-11-22 04:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]So David, I guess you support the racist, illegal, and apartheid WALL being built to keep Palestinians out and off of their own land, further debasing and degrading an entire people and culture?? Mmmmmm, wonder why we can't build one of those dandys right on the Southern border of the United States?? Maybe build a wall within our urban centers to keep you-know-what out of White neighborhoods?? What do you think??? Maybe there's one standard for Israel, and then another standard for the Goyim????[/QUOTE]
It's none of the above according to BIBLICAL LAW that faithful Jews and Christian-Zionists recognize as superior to every other law. The Promised Land of ISRAEL belongs to ISRAEL - not to squatter Ishmael who should be told to shove off if they don't want to live there in peace!
The "Palestinians" (resident Arabs) have debased and degraded themselves and their culture of death and jihad against the Judeo-Christian West.
The Israelite country of America is sovereign and can build a wall if they choose to, wherever they want to. Part of the prophesied punishment/curse for our disobedience to BIBLICAL LAW (and I'm referring to Jews and British-Israelites) is that the Gentile minorities would act like bloody beasts and rob us of our livelihood and loved ones, and turn the tables on us and rule over us! Our stupid people have permitted this to happen with "affirmative action" and other insane programs aimed at destroying Israelite peoples. Go read Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall for more details @ [url]www.benariel.com[/url]
2003-11-22 04:46 | User Profile
I welcome the increased diversity on this board. As long as the new members haven't joined with the goal to troll (like churbanowitz, for example).
2003-11-22 04:54 | User Profile
Hello David Ben-Ariel
The Muslims aren't the only one's who demonise European Christians.
I thought that the Jews believed that Anglo-Saxon where supposedly descendant from ^Magog^.
Whilst your quite entitled to your believes. I do hope you don't base all your opinions on biblical prophecy. Prophecy has be used as a tool to manipulate people for millennia and is open to all manor of abuse by reinterpretation.
I also hope that you realise that orthodox Christians believe that you Christian Zionists, Freemasons and talmudic Pharaiasm Jews are the anti-Christ.
Gregz
"He who mistrusts most should be trusted least." - Theognis
2003-11-22 04:56 | User Profile
This is must be a sort of joke
2003-11-22 05:00 | User Profile
Welcome Ben-Ariel,
What do you think of the Neturei Karta? ([url=http://www.nkusa.org]link[/url]) They would differ with your interpretation of the situation in the Middle East. In fact, they see reason to believe that the divinely-imposed exile of the Jewish people from the Holy Land has never been lifted, and that this is the reason for all the suffering and death that is occurring there.
Can you explain to me why the most Torah-observant Jews are opposed to the existence of Israel, while the more atheistic and secular ones support it?
Furthermore, as a Christian, how do you interpret the clear message of the New Testament that "Abraham's Children" are those who believe in Christ and do God's will?
Is it your opinion that God, after giving up His Son to die a horrible death, is concerned about who owns a piece of real estate in the Middle East? Don't you think it's more reasonable to believe that God is only concerned with the salvation of men's souls, rather than their land?
2003-11-22 05:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Welcome Ben-Ariel,
What do you think of the Neturei Karta? ([url=http://www.nkusa.org]link[/url])
Can you explain to me why the most Torah-observant Jews are opposed to the existence of Israel, while the more atheistic and secular ones support it?
Furthermore, as a Christian, how do you interpret the clear message of the New Testament that "Abraham's Children" are those who believe in Christ and do God's will?
Is it your opinion that God, after giving up His Son to die a horrible death, is concerned about who owns a piece of real estate in the Middle East? Don't you think it's more reasonable to believe that God is only concerned with the salvation of men's souls, rather than their land?[/QUOTE]
The NK are nuts. They are inexcusable and lazy bastards who blindly wait for the Messiah to do EVERYTHING for them. They need to learn the biblical concept of faith and works: putting their beliefs into action, like moving back to Israel rather than waiting for a magic carpet ride!
The truly Torah-observant Jews support Israel as a Homeland for Jews and hope to make it a JEWISH Homeland. There's a big difference between a State of Jews and a Jewish State, as Rabbi Meir Kahane correctly taught, angering the stubborn Jewish establishment. The Socialist-Bolshevik-UNJews actually are pawn/puppets of their German-Jesuit fascist EU MASTERS. They're kapos of compromise, selling out their own people and country, dismantling their heritage and slitting their own throats. They'll wake up TOO LATE when German EU JACKBOOTS stomp them in the ground and occupy Jerusalem for the bloody Vatican.
IF we believe the Bible, we'll see that it concerns itself with RACE and GRACE, however politically incorrect that presently might be. The Great Creator God of the Universe is concerned with both LAND and LIVES as it relates to His marvelous plan of salvation. Read and believe the Bible. Where is Jesus going to reign from? The Throne of David in JERUSALEM! He'll instruct international representatives about God's Word and Ways from the Third Temple built upon the TEMPLE Mount; He'll regather the TWELVE TRIBES of Israel back to the Promised Land of ISRAEL and train and instruct them to serve as emissaries of His Kingdom to the nations. The real Jesus Christ is both LORD (King) and SAVIOR (Priest): concerned with both the physical and spiritual He has created and utilizes. He'll save us from men (national deliverance) and from sin, so help us God!
2003-11-22 08:07 | User Profile
Wait a minute, DBA: I thought the Bible (specifically, Revelation) said that the earth was going to pass away?
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
-- Revelations 21:1-2 How will Jesus reign from what is now Jerusalem when earth will not even exist anymore? The above verse says that there will be a new Jerusalem (which is a metaphor for Heaven).
Race is certainly an important factor in human relations, but it certainly doesn't matter to God -- at least not if we believe the Bible:
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.**
-- Galatians 3:26-29
I don't think it could possibly be any clearer, David. The above verse says that "Abraham's seed" are those who follow Christ -- period. "Political correctness" has nothing to do with it.
More evidence:
And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked." But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
-- Luke 11:27-28
The obvious point here is that familial/blood relationship to Jesus (and a forteriori to anyone else, including Abraham) is not what brings blessing. What brings blessing is keeping God's word, i.e., God's commandments.
There are many, many other verses that debunk Zionist theology. I'm sorry, but your views are obviously unsupported by the Bible.
2003-11-22 12:33 | User Profile
The Socialist-Bolshevik-UNJews actually are pawn/puppets of their German-Jesuit fascist EU MASTERS. They're kapos of compromise, selling out their own people and country, dismantling their heritage and slitting their own throats. They'll wake up TOO LATE when German EU JACKBOOTS stomp them in the ground and occupy Jerusalem for the bloody Vatican.
So you consider the center of gravity of the NWO, a secular internationalist marxist world order, is located in the EU rather than America.
What do you think of the following article?
From: The Philadelphia Trumpet (March 1997 p. 1ff) [url]http://www.ety.com/berlin/trumpet2.htm[/url]
[SIZE=4] Germany — Now a Nuclear Power? [/SIZE] By Gerald Flurry – Editor in Chief
France has agreed to discuss sharing its nuclear power with Germany. The big question is why?
NOBODY GIVES AWAY NUCLEAR WEAPONS WITHOUT A STRONG MOTIVE! This is certainly a dangerous move, considering Germany started World Wars I and II. In fact, France suffered horrendous damage in both of those wars, mostly at the hands of the Germans. Surely France ought to understand how dangerous this decision is.
So what is motivating the French to share this frightening power with such a dangerous ally? First of all, they certainly could reason that this security pact would at least help protect them from a re-armed Germany.
You wouldn't think France's decision has the world's interest at heart, when you consider Germany's recent military past frighteningly recent past.
Is France being duped in their special relationship with Germany? The whole world is very aware of Germany's military past. However, if France can lead the way in gaining nuclear power for Germany, few people would be alarmed.
Last year, France DEMANDED that America give tip the NATO command in Naples, Italy, where the Sixth Fleet is based. They demanded that a European officer be in charge.
GERMANY SUPPORTED THE FRENCH DEMAND! This has caused some serious problems between America and France in particular. It has not yet been resolved.
America has given Germany their own air force base in Alamogordo, New Mexico. Still, the Germans DEMAND more!
Hitler said in 1936, that if war came, "I should fall upon my enemy suddenly, like lightning striking out of the night." Hitler warned that the attack would come "SUDDENLY," like a bolt of lightning "STRIKING out of the night"!
This alarming statement brought a response from Winston Churchill. Here is an excerpt from Martin Gilbert's biography, Winston Churchill, The Prophet of the Truth: "Churchill, on the other hand, was more convinced about the POSSIBILITIES OF SURPRISE in the German organizational framework. Commenting on the 1 200 machines and 1 114 pilots for whom the Air Staff had located no specific squadron and only non-first-line duties, he wrote: 'This would be amply sufficient to duplicate every one of the 88 squadrons now believed to have been identified. WHEN WE REMEMBER THE FONDNESS EVINCED BY GERMANY IN HISTORY FOR THIS PARTICULAR FORM OF SURPRISE, and note the large number of machines and pilots which seem to have vanished into thin air and the hundred odd aerodromes which have been constructed, THIS POSSIBILITY CANNOT BE EXCLUDED.'
"In their answer to Churchill's questioning, the Air Staff, while doubting his assessment of German methods, went on, in their own memorandum, to point out yet another source for future German front-line strength, noting: 'The Air Staff fully share Mr. Churchill's apprehensions as regards German ability TO SPRING A SURPRISE ON THEIR ENEMY ON THE OUTBREAK OF WAR BY SOME UNEXPECTED MANEUVER.'"
Winston Churchill and the Air Staff were both fearful of a surprise attack on Britain. Mr. Churchill noted Germany's "FONDNESS IN HISTORY" FOR SURPRISE ATTACKS! The Germans did just that repeatedly before and during World War II. They have done this militarily throughout their history!
Still the US almost insists that the Germans have a military base in America and access to others. Are we certain that another dictator won't rise in Germany?
OUR LEADERS CAN ONLY MAKE SUCH A MISTAKE ONCE!
"We remember the fondness evinced by Germany in history for this particular form of surprise, and note the large number of machines and pilots which seem to have vanished into thin air and the hundred odd aerodromes which have been constructed, this possibility cannot be excluded."
-Winston Churchill
AND THE COST COULD BE THE DEATH OF OUR NATION! How do you explain taking such an enormous risk for no logical reason? Why does everyone seem to seek the Germans as "lovers"? God has broken our will because of our sins (Lev. 26:19). We have great power, but fear to use it. Weakness is the dominant theme of our foreign policy. This SICKNESS causes US to betray what the allied leaders said immediately after World War II about preventing the Germans from ever building a strong military again.
Not Like Other Harlots
Please read the article on Germany in this issue of the Trumpet. We clearly prove that Assyria is modern-day Germany. Also write for a free article, "Germany in Prophecy". Germany is about to give this world its greatest shock ever! And our attitude toward them today is explained precisely in Bible prophecy.
The nations of Israel cannot trust our all-powerful God, but they can trust the most untrustworthy nation on earth!
[...]This is end-time prophecy. The American and British nations art primarily Israel today. They are playing the whore. Still, Israel is NOT LIKE OTHER HARLOTS.
The nations of Israel CANNOT TRUST OUR ALL-POWERFUL GOD, BUT THEY CAN TRUST THE MOST UNTRUSTWORTHY NATION ON EARTH! This statement can be proven if we study Germany's military history. Must we see our nation's collapse into destruction and slavery before we awaken? The American and British peoples have a history as God's wife. Only the nations of Israel can truthfully make that statement. Nobody else! But WE ARE ASHAMED OF THAT HISTORY AND GOD SAYS HE IS GOING TO BE ASHAMED OF US.
Our mother, ancient Israel, played the harlot. So do we - the daughter.
How is God going to punish us? "When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them" (v. 53). Our people think like slaves and are going to become slaves – if they survive the SUDDEN, SURPRISE ATTACK- "LIKE LIGHTNING STRIKING OUT OF THE NIGHT"!
[...] For example, we give the Germans an air force base when history screams that this could easily be a deadly blunder! France is also one of the nations of Israel. They want so badly to give nuclear bombs to the same people who were their conquerors in World War II! They are certainly not like other harlots. There is a certain madness in all of this. History alone would soon prove that fact. However, unless Jesus Christ were about to return there wouldn't be anybody alive to read it!
God would save our nations from this disaster if they heeded His message. He will protect you individually if you respond to His warning message that you are reading now.
2003-11-22 18:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Wait a minute, DBA: I thought the Bible (specifically, Revelation) said that the earth was going to pass away?
Race is certainly an important factor in human relations, but it certainly doesn't matter to God -- at least not if we believe the Bible:
I don't think it could possibly be any clearer, David. The above verse says that "Abraham's seed" are those who follow Christ -- period. "Political correctness" has nothing to do with it.
The Bible clearly says the earth will last forever; Yahshua/Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth; Yahshua will reign from Jerusalem forever! The earth was once purified by water and was then considered "new." The earth is prophesied to be cleansed next by FIRE (which utterly destroys the incorrigible) and then earth will be considered cleansed and NEW (2 Pet. 2:5-13).
As far as RACE and GRACE go, contrary to your "replacement theology," consider the BIBLICAL following (you asked for it!):
Replacement theology" is a belief that vainly attempts to dismiss or minimize the physical in Godââ¬â¢s plan of salvation. Itââ¬â¢s actually promoted by the same evil spirit of Gnosticism, that has an unscriptural antagonism against anything material (1 Jn. 4:3). However, the Biblical God "saw every thing that he had [physically] made, and, behold, it was very good" (Gen. 1:31). Replacement theology sounds and appears very "spiritual," but it is actually very hostile and anti-Semitic. "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" (2 Cor. 11:14) and Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss! In particular, this heresy from hell targets the literal descendants of Jacob-Israel. It dares to call into question the faithfulness of Israelââ¬â¢s God. It seeks to undermine the importance of national Israel by self-righteously tearing them "down to size," proposing that they are just another nation, nothing more or less. Such a bastard belief is rooted in bitter jealousy and hateful envy and misunderstanding. It has affected jealous Gentiles, and even some Israelites who are ignorant of their identity and responsibility (Isa. 11:13; Rom. 11:13, 18).
The Bible clearly teaches that the Hebrew God chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for a special purpose to ultimately affect all humanity. God first revealed Himself to "the fathers" and promised to be their God and the God of their descendants. The rest of mankind was "temporarily" left in the dark and to their own devices. God drafted the 12 Tribes of Israel to become His Servant Nation! Moses rejoiced in ISRAELââ¬â¢S UNIQUE CREATION:
"For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it? Did ever people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live? Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?"
The Great Creator God had never chosen any other people to represent Him! He had never inducted any other nation into His international service! He had never revealed Himself and entrusted His "Instruction Manual for Mankind," His holy Law and Word, His Divine Constitution, to any other nation or people in history! Of physical Israel, God declares: "You only have I known of all the families of the earthââ¬Â¦" (Amos 3:2), and "He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD" (Ps. 147:19-20). Yes, God ordained Israel to serve as His Custodian of Divine Revelation, specifically the Jews: "What advantage then hath the Jew? Or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God" (Rom. 3:1-2). And please note that this was written after the Church was founded! The lying proponents of "replacement theology" deny that thereââ¬â¢s any advantage to being a Jew or an Israelite. The apostle Paul, under inspiration, strongly disagrees! He wisely continues Jesusââ¬â¢ recognition of the Jewââ¬â¢s God-given authority: "The scribes and Pharisees sit in Mosesââ¬â¢ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and doââ¬Â¦" (Matt. 23:2-3). And Moses prophesied that the Jews are to retain their God-given authority until Christ restores Israel as "One Nation under God." Moses didnââ¬â¢t say that Gentiles or the Church had any right to covet or steal that responsibility from the Jews: "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, UNTIL Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be" (Gen. 49:10). Jesus didnââ¬â¢t do that at His first coming, which is why His disciples asked Him after His resurrection and just before His ascension: "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts 1:6). The King of the Jews will accomplish that divine mission when He returns!
God formed Israel as His Holy Nation, instructed them as His Son, and inducted them into His Divine Service. They received a special calling to become a KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, a MODEL NATION, a LIGHT TO ALL NATIONS. God decreed Israel "shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above [not equal to] all peopleââ¬Â¦And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation" (Ex. 19:5-6). "Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgmentsââ¬Â¦Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this is a wise and understanding people. For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for? And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?" (Deut. 4:5-8).
NO OTHER NATION COULD COMPARE TO GODââ¬â¢S RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL AND HIS REVELATION TO THEM! Please understand that this utterly unique relationship and revelation is what made Israel great, it wasnââ¬â¢t something inherent within them. It was a gift and a blessing they had received from God, despite themselves! It wasnââ¬â¢t because they were any better than anybody else; it wasnââ¬â¢t because of their race; it was because of GODââ¬â¢S PURPOSE AND GRACE! (Deut. 7:7-8; 9:5; Matt. 3:9; Rom. 3:23; 9:10-18). The apostle Paul wrote to Church brethren, about their different gifts and calling (they werenââ¬â¢t all equal): "For who makes thee to differ from another? And what do you have that you didnââ¬â¢t receive? Now if you received it, why do you glory, as if you hadnââ¬â¢t received it?" (1 Cor. 4:7). It is by Godââ¬â¢s design that individuals and nations should have different and distinct gifts and callings. It is our Heavenly Father who directs and establishes us where we belong in His plan, whether itââ¬â¢s in the Church or among the nations (Deut. 32:8). Who are we to question His wisdom or to quarrel about positions? (Isa. 45:9-10; Matt. 20:23; 1 Cor. 12:18).
Jesus is the Firstborn of many brethren, the Church is the collective firstfruits of humanity, and ISRAEL IS THE FIRSTBORN OF MANY NATIONS! In fact, Isaiah 19:25 pronounces: "Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance." God has dealt with those three nations more than any others on earth. That is His choice and prerogative. But for now, God has privately tutored Israel like He commands fathers to teach their sons (Deut. 6:7). God has never referred to any other nation as His Son! Only Israel has that honor: "Thou art my Son" (Ps. 2:7), and "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt" (Hos. 11:1). Weââ¬â¢re the little boy that will show the way to the whole world, once God has subdued our sins, conquered our enemies and changed their bestial natures to befriend us (Micah 7:19-20; Isa. 11:6; Zech. 8:23). We need to grow up and we will. Israel has been given a headstart in spiritual education, a special advantage, compared to others. Weââ¬â¢re not yet mature as a grown man but at least weââ¬â¢re a child while others are still acting like animals! (Lev. 26:22; Rev. 13:18). Nevertheless, "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light to the Gentilesââ¬Â¦I am the LORDââ¬Â¦and my glory will I not give to another" (Isa. 42:6,8). God will faithfully fulfill His purpose for calling physical Israel. He will finish what Heââ¬â¢s started with our nation! He wonââ¬â¢t offer that opportunity to any other! God promises, despite the demonic doctrine of replacement theology: "This people [Israel] have I formed for myself: they shall show forth my praise" (Isa. 43:21). Not Germany or Italy or Ethiopia! Do we believe God? Do we doubt Heââ¬â¢s capable of redeeming Israel? Replacement theology doesnââ¬â¢t trust God and denies His saving power! It attempts to limit the Holy One of Israel!
God refers to future events as if they had already happened, since He knows Heââ¬â¢ll bring them to pass! (Rom. 4:17). Israel is the first nation that God has called out of spiritual Babylon, but theyââ¬â¢re only the first and not the last. God has called physical Israel to prepare them to serve as a CONVERTED NATION with but under His Brilliant Kingdom of God-Beings, just like the GLORIFIED CHURCH is destined to serve as Immortal Priest-Kings, with but under Christ! (Rev. 3:21; 20:6). ISRAEL WILL BE THE FIRST NATION TO RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT! (Ezek. 39:29; Isa. 44:3). Then weââ¬â¢ll share our spiritual blessings with all mankind: "But ye [Israel] shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our Godââ¬Â¦And [Israelââ¬â¢s] seed [physical descendants] shall be known among the Gentiles, and their [literal] offspring among the people: all that see them shall [finally] ACKNOWLEDGE THEM, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed" (Isa. 61:6,9; Isa. 60:14). Christ will rule from Jerusalem as Israelââ¬â¢s God-King, and yet there will also be a human prince and other mortals reigning under Him (Jer. 30:21; 33:26; Ezek. 46; Zech. 14:16). Likewise, internationally, the human nation of Israel will rule with but under the divine Kingdom-Family of God, and Zadokââ¬â¢s physical descendants will faithfully serve in the Temple at headquarters (Ezek. 44:15).
All of the above glorifies God for his tender mercies and faithfulness to our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It reveals that "with God all things are possible." It confirms that "I would not, [Gentile] brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so, all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant with them, when I shall take away their sinsââ¬Â¦as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathersââ¬â¢ sakes (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), FOR THE GIFTS AND CALLING OF GOD ARE IRREVOCABLE" (Rom. 11:25-29).
Those who foolishly push replacement theology are "wise in their own conceits." They have shamefully twisted the Scriptures that refer to spiritual Jews, to spiritual Jerusalem, the spiritual Temple and spiritual Israel ââ¬â that generously admits repentant Gentiles into the SPIRITUAL COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL ââ¬â to spiritualize away Godââ¬â¢s faithful promises to physical Israel! Now that theyââ¬â¢ve been admitted, they jealously want to exclude Judah and Israel from their rightful place in Godââ¬â¢s plan! (Rom. 11:24). "O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servantsââ¬â¢ sake, the tribes of thine inheritanceââ¬Â¦We are thine: thou never barest rule over them [Gentiles]; they were not called by thy name" (Isa. 63:17-19). Some Gentiles have forgotten that God hasnââ¬â¢t called Israel to become spiritual Gentiles, but has called everyone to become spiritual Israelites! Theyââ¬â¢ve forgotten that ISRAEL IS THE HOLY ROOT to which theyââ¬â¢ve become attached! Paul warned them: "Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee" (Rom. 11:18). They forget that the Church is CONVERTED ISRAEL that embraces righteous Gentiles. Theyââ¬â¢ve ignored the Biblical principle of DUALITY. That thereââ¬â¢s the physical and thereââ¬â¢s the spiritual, and that both have their ordained place! Satan is the one who would love to spiritualize Israel away into oblivion! He wants God to break His promises to physical Israel and let them die in a spiritual holocaust! However, God refuses to forget His physical people Israel and His holy purpose for them! "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? Yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee" (Isa. 49:14-15). "Is Ephraim my dear son? Is he a pleasant child? For since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD" (Jer. 31:20). Weââ¬â¢re supposed to ENCOURAGE ISRAEL TO REMEMBER THEIR ROOTS AND RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE GOD, not discourage them! Nevertheless, God remembers them and places His special protective seal upon 144,000 Israelites before the Day of the Lord (Rev. 7:4), and purposely names the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem after the 12 Tribes! (Rev. 21:12). This ought to prove that Israel remains first and foremost in Godââ¬â¢s Mind! (Zech. 2:8). After all, salvation is to the Jew first, and then to the Gentile (Acts 3:26; Rom. 1:16).
Paul addresses the nonsense of those who would belittle Israel by asking, "Has God cast away his people? GOD FORBID! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." He goes on to show that God has always graciously preserved an ISRAELITE REMNANT, a "holy lump," even when He permitted the majority of Israel to go astray so that He could meanwhile recruit Gentiles (Rom. 11:1,5,16). Those who preach the polluted propaganda of replacement theology would say physical Israel doesnââ¬â¢t matter any more, but Paul clearly fought against such damnable lies! He also reminded his Gentile audience that itââ¬â¢s the Israelites "to whom pertain the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of god, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the FLESH Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen "(Rom. 9:4-5).
Those who preach Satanââ¬â¢s lies against Israel had better read and believe and take warning! God says, despite Israelââ¬â¢s horrible sins, "I WILL NOT CAST THEM AWAY, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their [physical] ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD" (Lev. 26:44-45). And with physical Judah and Israel, God promises to enter into a new or renewed covenant: "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the House of Israel, and with the House of Judah" (Jer. 31:31). God also states emphatically that just as surely as the sun, moon and stars continue to shine, "If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a NATION before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD" (Jer. 31:35-37). Again, God has heard the lies of those who say that Heââ¬â¢s spiritualized away His precious promises, that the TWO PHYSICAL FAMILIES OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH (and literal descendants of David and Levi) arenââ¬â¢t important anymore, and says such blasphemers "Have despised my people, that they should be no more a NATION before them. Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Then will I cast away the SEED of Jacob (unconverted Israel), and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be RULERS over the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them" (Jer. 33:17-26). GODââ¬â¢S WORD STANDS! Those who deny it will be history! "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed" (Malachi 3:6). God will keep His promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and to their physical descendants: Israel will become His model nation, His Kingdom of Priests and His light to all nations! (Lk. 1:68-75). We can bet our lives on it!
2003-11-22 18:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jamestown]So you consider the center of gravity of the NWO, a secular internationalist marxist world order, is located in the EU rather than America.
What do you think of the following article?[/QUOTE]
My beliefs are an open book on public record: Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall. I encourage you and every other red-blooded American and Israelite and Jew to READ IT. I subscribe to Gerald Flurry and the Philadelphia Trumpet magazines noble efforts to warn the world about GERMANY'S FOURTH REICH: the fascist EU. Israeli author Barry Chamish suggests I was deported for warning about the German-Jesuit intentions of occupying Jerusalem's Temple Mount in a full-page article published in Jerusalem and read throughout the Holy Land.
2003-11-23 09:52 | User Profile
The Bible clearly says the earth will last forever; Yahshua/Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth; Yahshua will reign from Jerusalem forever! The earth was once purified by water and was then considered "new." The earth is prophesied to be cleansed next by FIRE (which utterly destroys the incorrigible) and then earth will be considered cleansed and NEW (2 Pet. 2:5-13). When you say that Jesus will reign from Jerusalem forever, you must be referring to the "new Jerusalem" -- the one that the Bible says will descend from heaven. I already quoted the relevant verse. How can the new Jerusalem descend from heaven if it's already on earth?
"Replacement theology" is a belief that vainly attempts to dismiss or minimize the physical in Godââ¬â¢s plan of salvation. Itââ¬â¢s actually promoted by the same evil spirit of Gnosticism, that has an unscriptural antagonism against anything material (1 Jn. 4:3). However, the Biblical God "saw every thing that he had [physically] made, and, behold, it was very good" (Gen. 1:31). Replacement theology sounds and appears very "spiritual," but it is actually very hostile and anti-Semitic. What is "anti-Semitic" about saying that God does not favor one race over another? What you call "replacement theology" has nothing to do with "replacement" at all; it is simply the expansion of God's people to include the Gentiles. People of Jewish descent have not been abandoned by God just because of their descent.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" (2 Cor. 11:14) and Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss! What does this have to do with anything?
In particular, this heresy from hell targets the literal descendants of Jacob-Israel. "Heresy"?! LOL! We have a relatively new and tiny sect of Zionist Christians calling more than 1 billion mainstream Christians -- those who follow beliefs that have been passed down for centuries -- heretics! That's too funny. It's kind of like the schizophrenic who insists that he's sane and everyone else around him is crazy.
It dares to call into question the faithfulness of Israelââ¬â¢s God. It does no such thing. No one is saying that God has broken any promises.
Show me where in the Bible God said that His promises were to Abraham's physical descendants. Even if you think you can find such a verse, you need to explain the words of Christ that I already quoted, where He says that those who do Abraham's works are Abraham's children. You also need to explain Paul's statement that "if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's children and heirs according to the promise."
Also: What do you think Christ meant when He said, "Many who were first will be last, and the last will be first"? This often-repeated New Testament saying of Jesus ties in with his parable of the Wedding Feast (those originally invited didn't come, so everyone else was invited instead) and with the parable of the vineyard workers (both received the same pay despite one being hired later in the workday). What it all means is this: Jews were originally first in line to receive the Gospel, but most of them turned down their Messiah, so the Gentiles were brought into the fold.
It seeks to undermine the importance of national Israel by self-righteously tearing them "down to size," proposing that they are just another nation, nothing more or less. If "the meek shall inherit the earth," then what's wrong with modern Israel showing a little humility? It would be nice if they did -- especially since the only thing they have in common with ancient Israel is the name. Most modern Jews are no more directly descended from Abraham than I am. But that's a moot point anyway, seeing as the Bible teaches that God plays no favorites.
Such a bastard belief is rooted in bitter jealousy and hateful envy and misunderstanding. It has affected jealous Gentiles, and even some Israelites who are ignorant of their identity and responsibility (Isa. 11:13; Rom. 11:13, 18). That "bastard belief" has been the teaching of mainstream Christianity -- the very same Church that brought you the Bible -- for nearly 2000 years. Dispensationalist sects decided that they were smarter than 2000 years' worth of Church scholars and theologians, so they decided to interpret the Bible in their own way. Dispensationalism is a heresy and a cult belief, nothing more.
Once again: Your position is blatantly contrary to the Bible. God's people are those who do God's will and don't reject Christ -- at least not knowingly -- and that's what the New Testament has revealed. Now, I suggest you go read Galatians 3:26-29 over and over again. Even better, read the rest of the New Testament with Galatians 3:26-29 in mind; then you'll understand why the Church has taught what you erroneously refer to as "replacement theology" for its entire history.
2003-11-23 14:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Aw, have some fun, Centinel. I mean really, could we draw one up any more perfect?[/QUOTE]
I see nothing even remotely amusing or interesting about this person.
He reduces the credibility of the forum.
I say Go Home.
JW
2003-11-23 21:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=David Ben-Ariel]Israeli author Barry Chamish suggests I was deported for warning about the German-Jesuit intentions of occupying Jerusalem's Temple Mount in a full-page article published in Jerusalem and read throughout the Holy Land.[/QUOTE]
I would assume you were deported because you are a terrorist.
And when the state of Israel (!!!) labels you a terrorist....
L'Chaim! :cheers: