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Thread ID: 11194 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-11-22
2003-11-22 00:20 | User Profile
[I]"And what are we doing to assure that our children's precious minds and innocent souls are protected from other societal pollutants aiming to poison that preciousness and to tarnish that innocence?" [/I]
Why don't we start by getting rid of the Jews who are enriching themselves and fulfilling their anti-Christian agenda by producing, selling, and promoting garbage like Michael Jackson.
ODers, spare me the Jackson is brilliant routine....
JW
[url]http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1103/fischer_2003_11_21.php3[/url]
Michael Jackson and us By Rabbi Dov Fischer
It's not a question of The Gloved One's innocence, but ours
Unexpectedly, I found myself traveling on the freeways most of Wednesday, when the Michael Jackson story erupted into a media feeding-frenzy. No matter what talk station I sought, the conversation was salacious, incendiary, and vicious.
Certainly, the allegations, if proven, are horrific. But the frenzied commentary also emerges from the nature of our newsmedia. Live radio and 24-hour television news demands that time be filled. A succinct account cannot fill three hours of a talk host's program. And "good radio" is measured by the amount of telephone lines that light up, the amount of listeners riveted. Arbitron and Nielsen polls dictate the approach. The more salacious, the more the gossip — the more people that will remain riveted.
I do not know whether Michael Jackson is guilty. Our legal system is predicated on the principle that every person is innocent until proven guilty, but none of us believes in that fundamental. We "know" that O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole, even though he was found innocent by a jury of his peers in a fairly conducted trial in an open courtroom. And, certainly among radio talk hosts, we "know" that Michael Jackson did "it."
But I do not know.
I know, from his interviews, that he has an eccentric understanding of the way that grown men and other people's children are supposed to interact, to interrelate. But that does not, in itself, convict him of child molestation. I know that he apparently paid someone $20 million ten years ago, in order to terminate a child-molestation accusation and prosecution, but that does not prove much to me. I have been a civil litigator for ten years, representing some of the most important corporations and prominent people in California, and I know that all-too-many baseless allegations settle for reasons unrelated to the veracity of charges. But, then again, sometimes they do settle because of veracity.
So I do not know whether Michael Jackson dunnit. And, on a much deeper level, I do not care. I do not associate with Michael Jackson. Odds are that I never will meet him. The chances that he would invite my pre-adolescent son to spend a night at his ranch are less-than-nil. And — most important here — the chances that, if invited, my son actually would spend a night at Neverland with Michael Jackson were, are, and always will be — well, Never.
And that really is the discussion that the Michael Jackson matter should be eliciting. What parents would allow their child, in the aftermath of the prior scandalous allegations and mega-million-dollar out-of-court settlement, to spend private time with Michael Jackson? Who would take such a chance? What cost-benefit analysis could justify that chance?
And what kind of parents are we? We do not know Michael Jackson, and no one of his milieu invites our children to spend the night — but ABC television does, and so does NBC, and CBS, and Fox, and the myriad cable/satellite stations. Do we know what our children are watching on television, as strangers enter our home each night through the tube, babysitting our children and spending a chunk of the night with them? So many of us do not.
Earlier in my parenting years, as my college daughters were growing up, I knew that I did not want them watching "Beverly Hills 90210" or anything of that genre. By contrast, "Cosby" was wholesome. But what about the shows "in between"? "The Simpsons" seemed cartoonish and therefore fine — until we started noticing that the story lines too often reflected a troubling line, even if Lisa was clearly good and Bart was clearly bad. "Roseanne" seemed funny and family oriented, but we soon determined that her boorishness did not belong in our home. "Friends" seemed like a bunch of nice kids who were, well, friends. But then we saw that they also were the kinds of friends trying to get into each other's intimate-apparel.
We became censors. As :Jerry Springer and Geraldo moved to daytime, along with reruns of "Married with Children" and so much of the network sitcom trash, we no longer treated that time zone as safe. We monitored, and we censored. That is how we reared our children — censoring television. Even "Nickelodeon," which began as a "safe harbor" on television a decade ago, soon moved into "Nick at Night." Now, "Roseanne" is there — and our son is not.
In 1993, after law school, we drove from California to Kentucky, where I served a year's clerkship for a United States Appeals Court judge. En route, we listened to the car radio and, for the first time, I heard the lyrics to the pop music that my children would hear. I was shocked — absolutely shocked. So we moved the family to country music. Plain and simple. Yes, country music includes lyrics about bars and drinkin'. In the greater pantheon of concerns in our family, that was just not our problem. It includes songs about troubled relationships, and we monitored those, too. But the lyrics also speak about Mama and about family. Even about G-d. We preferred that music for our children and those lyrics. I would rather that my children, during pre-adolescence, be singing Garth Brooks's "Sometimes I Thank G-d for Unanswered Prayers" than the latest panting-and-moaning recorded by Britney Spears. I would rather they watch the Country Music Awards, where tales of redemption abound in the performers' lives, than to watch Madonna and Spears or Aguilera French-kiss each other.
If the censoring of television and music became part of parenting my daughters when they were in grade school, I now also censor video games as my son grows up. I had no idea that the evil and trash elsewhere in our culture had permeated the joystick sanctuary. But it has. Virtually every interesting game that is not sports-based entails glorifying anti-social behavior: racing away from the police, shooting people, murdering people. Clerks at the stores have told me that some games even entail rape. Well, not in the Gamecube at Chez Fischer, they don't.
There is a broad spectrum for parental preferences, and reasonable minds may differ. Not each parent would make my choices. That's fine. But if L'Affaire Michael Jackson teaches us anything constructive — if we are to draw anything from the story beyond the salaciousness and the gossip — every parent must begin by asking "How could it be that the plaintiff's parents ever, in a zillion years, allowed their son to spend private time alone with Jackson?"
And, then — after smiling smugly at how much better our parenting skills are — we all must ask: "And what are we doing to assure that our children's precious minds and innocent souls are protected from other societal pollutants aiming to poison that preciousness and to tarnish that innocence?"
Rabbi Dov Fischer, a civil litigation attorney in Los Angeles, is Rabbi of the Young Israel of Calabasas.
2003-11-22 00:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jean West] Even about G-d. We preferred that music for our children and those lyrics. I would rather that my children, during pre-adolescence, be singing Garth Brooks's "Sometimes I Thank G-d for Unanswered Prayers" than the latest panting-and-moaning recorded by Britney Spears. [/QUOTE]
If the Rabbi really wanted his children to sing Garth's song, he would've had the balls to write [B]"God"[/B] in its entirety.
2003-11-22 01:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jean West]So we moved the family to country music. Plain and simple. Yes, country music includes lyrics about bars and drinkin'. In the greater pantheon of concerns in our family, that was just not our problem. It includes songs about troubled relationships, and we monitored those, too. But the lyrics also speak about Mama and about family. Even about G-d. We preferred that music for our children and those lyrics. I would rather that my children, during pre-adolescence, be singing Garth Brooks's "Sometimes I Thank G-d for Unanswered Prayers" than the latest panting-and-moaning recorded by Britney Spears. I would rather they watch the Country Music Awards, where tales of redemption abound in the performers' lives, than to watch Madonna and Spears or Aguilera French-kiss each other.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't give a dang about Michael Jackson, but I'll make a point about the above. Yes, all in all popular country music today is much more wholesome than pop as a whole, but believe me, the usual suspects are doing their best to change that. I'm pre-emptively trying to steer my young daughter into country music to keep her away from pop, due to the latter's morally degenerate sexualization and overt promotion of miscegenation. But if you follow these kinds of things you'll observe the push to put country music into the same state as pop, especially if you watch Country Music Television (CMT). I believe the same jew who owns MTV now owns CMT, and increasingly artists are foisted on the audience who promote sex and moral degeneracy in their songs and videos. The latest is the obvious effort to make Kid Rock into a country music staple! You can't hardly watch a program on CMT where Kid Rock doesn't make an appearance somewhere. Absolutely ridiculous. Other 'artists' like Rascal Flatts, Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw and the other pretty boy and girls de jour increasingly use overt sex and nudity in some cases to sell their music. I can't help but think this is intentional on the part of the station's owners. I was sickened watching the latest Country Music Awards where even Vince Gill at one point in the show kept saying the word 'ass' over and over. Something like that would not have flown just 5 or 10 years ago.
So other parents be careful. Popular country music is not the safe haven of yesteryear. There are still some artists that maintain a standard of decency. Alan Jackson, George Strait and Allison Kraus are a few that come to mind immediately. A new up and comer that I've been impressed with is Joe Nichols from Arkansas. He's a rich baritone who from what I've seen has carried himself with class through one album release. He won the Horizon award for best new talent, which was somewhat of a surprise. There are no places in our culture where the culture distorters are not actively making every attempt to corrupt and spoil, so be wary and protect your children for as long as you are able.
2003-11-22 01:40 | User Profile
Tex wrote:
but believe me, the usual suspects are doing their best to change that. I'm pre-emptively trying to steer my young daughter into country music to keep her away from pop, due to the latter's morally degenerate sexualization and overt promotion of miscegenation. But if you follow these kinds of things you'll observe the push to put country music into the same state as pop, especially if you watch Country Music Television (CMT).
Tex is indeed right. Today's "country" music has been largely taken over by the Chosen, just like everything else in America.
It won't be long before race-mixing and racial-equality scenes are standard in all country music videos. And lots more sexual images, too. And even pro-Israel/pro-Jewish/JudeoChristian stuff as well.
2003-11-22 01:48 | User Profile
Franco - you really think there's OD members who find Jackson brilliant? I'm still wondering how a guy whose booking shot looked like Joan Crawford on benzedrine had even a smidgen of a career at this point.
But you know who is running things right now. The freakier, the better.
Tex - you're right about the jew machinations in C&W music. The multi-culti stuff will really hit it hard once they think they've opened up enough room for the foul and profane.
2003-11-22 03:05 | User Profile
Does anybody remember TNN, The Nashville Network?? Around 1998 or so, TNN became "The National Network", replacing all of its country programming with action films. Now it's called Spike TV. More or less Maxim magazine reincarnated on the silver :clown: screen.
:bag:
2003-11-22 03:28 | User Profile
Texas Dissident,
Yes sadly you most Right! [QUOTE]The latest is the obvious effort to make Kid Rock into a country music staple!... Other 'artists' like Rascal Flatts, Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw and the other pretty boy and girls de jour increasingly use overt sex and nudity in some cases to sell their music.[/QUOTE]
I love [URL=http://www.alisonkrauss.com/]Allison Kraus[/URL] :cheers:
Robbie,
Yes I did here about.
[QUOTE]Does anybody remember TNN, The Nashville Network?? Around 1998 or so, TNN became "The National Network", replacing all of its country programming with action films. Now it's called Spike TV. More or less Maxim magazine reincarnated on the silver screen. [/QUOTE]
I have never had cable. Pay for TV no way!
2003-11-22 03:31 | User Profile
Texas Dissident,
:crybaby: No! [QUOTE]Alison Krauss + Union Station will be the backing band for a Shania Twain television special scheduled to air on NBC on Tuesday, November 25th. [/QUOTE]
2003-11-22 05:24 | User Profile
IMO this bust occurred in order to distract Americans' attention from the PR bomb facing Bush in England, that former country we're supposed to be standing tall with.
Who cares whether or not Michael Jackson's a child molestor? Most Americans, it seems.
2003-11-22 07:23 | User Profile
I used to like TNN. I miss American Music Shop: they used to have the top pickers on, Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Albert Lee, the late great Danny Gatton. I also used to love to watch Shelley Mangrum flash her sexy legs. The only thing "Spike" is good for is those funny Japs flopping around the obstacle courses....
As for Jacko the Notorious Child-Buggerer, I'm glad its victim finally became sickened by the nightly servings of "hot milk". The only thing in the universe more revolting than that lipsticked Phantom of the Opera faggot/freak is the filthy herd of "white" swine who flocked ecstatically around his SUV in Vegas last night for the mere touch of the "superstar's" smegma-encrusted monkey paw.
2003-11-22 08:05 | User Profile
Leave it to N.B. to have me burst out with a belly laugh in the middle of the night. :cheers:
2003-11-22 08:15 | User Profile
I recently watched the Disney Channel. I was appalled at the scatology that is now considered appropriate for children. Then again, having read Judy Bloom twenty years ago, I shouldn't have been surprised.
2003-11-22 12:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stanley]I recently watched the Disney Channel. I was appalled at the scatology that is now considered appropriate for children. Then again, having read Judy Bloom twenty years ago, I shouldn't have been surprised.[/QUOTE]
Judy Blume was the quintessential Chosenite children's writer; every one of her books had at least some form of scatalogical reference in it. One book of hers that I read constantly as a youngster, Super[B]Fudge[/B] (heh, heh), talked about the boy having to relieve himself in a large flower pot because one of his siblings was in the library and wouldn't get out.
2003-11-22 16:34 | User Profile
Wasn't Johnny Cash one of those Bible-babblers who supported Jewish ideas?
2003-11-22 21:50 | User Profile
Robbie wrote:
Judy Blume was the quintessential Chosenite children's writer; every one of her books had at least some form of scatalogical reference in it. One book of hers that I read constantly as a youngster, SuperFudge (heh, heh), talked about the boy having to relieve himself in a large flower pot because one of his siblings was in the library and wouldn't get out.
Wait, wait -- that is very significant, and I want to hear all the details about that book/topic. Do you still have a copy of it?
2003-11-23 00:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Wait, wait -- that is very significant, and I want to hear all the details about that book/topic. Do you still have a copy of it?[/QUOTE]
Wish I did, Uncle Franco, but like that passage from the book Krishtins adhere to, "I put away childish things". Actually, [B]threw[/B] away.
"Superfudge" did have that reference in it about the kid relieving himself. Oh yes, it's true; anyone who read that book as I did in the early-mid 80's would know (or at least I'd hope they would). There was another book she wrote called "Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret", where Blume wrote of a girl who's just had her first --time of the month?? She also penned "Iggie's House" about a black family who moves into some girl's old friend's house in her lilee-whitey hood.
Isn't it nice how the Chosen start 'em real young??
2003-11-23 03:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]
It won't be long before race-mixing and racial-equality scenes are standard in all country music videos. And lots more sexual images, too. And even pro-Israel/pro-Jewish/JudeoChristian stuff as well.[/QUOTE]
I hate country music, but from the little I have seen, this is already the case.
2003-11-23 15:35 | User Profile
Unfortunately, I care about Jews as much as I care about Michael Jackson. Neither of them are paying my bills.
2003-11-23 19:32 | User Profile
Nicholas Strakon at The Last Ditch writes > Pause and reflect for a moment on what it means for our civilization that a movie based on a Dr. Seuss book wound up being rated PG. [url=www.thornwalker.com/ditch/lights120.htm]Take a look at "The Cat in the Hat" to see where American kidcult is at[/url]
2003-11-23 20:31 | User Profile
Kminta wrote:
Unfortunately, I care about Jews as much as I care about Michael Jackson. Neither of them are paying my bills.
Kminta, do you not know that Jews dominate America? Do you not know that the current Iraq War was caused by Jews? I am somewhat shocked by your comment, Kminta.
2003-11-23 22:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Kminta, do you not know that Jews dominate America? Do you not know that the current Iraq War was caused by Jews? I am somewhat shocked by your comment, Kminta.[/QUOTE]
You've misinterpreted the meaning behind my post, Franco. What I was trying to express here was that I care little about Michael Jackson because he's a product of the Jew-dominated media. For decades, this guy's done nothing except show us just what a real freak of nature he is. As far as I'm concerned, Jackson and the Jews who made him are of no benefit to our society and can all jump off a bridge.
And yes, I am quite aware of the negative impact the Jews have made on America.
2003-11-24 14:22 | User Profile
Intra-ethnic squabbling among the hook-beaked vultures picking through Jackson's pestilent carcass...
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103485,00.html[/url]
...Among those who've suddenly bobbed up on the air: Shmuley Boteach, the shamed rabbi who ran a shady charity with Jackson for a short time. The two have actually not been on good terms for more than a year.
A Jackson insider, hearing that Boteach had started giving interviews, literally shrieked with horror: "I hate that guy. He's not Michael's friend. Someone should tell him to shut up, already."