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Thread ID: 11136 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2003-11-18
2003-11-18 10:33 | User Profile
---------------<<<>>>--------------- JOB DESTRUCTION NEWSLETTER by Rob Sanchez [url]www.ZaZona.com[/url] ---------------<<<>>>---------------
India plans to start a new offensive to promote looser rules for offshoring and to increase the number of workers they can send to the United States. They are doing it the good old fashioned way, with massive lobbying and PR campaigns. With scant organized opposition we can expect India's new offensive to be fruitful for everyone except American workers.
There is so much bad news in these articles that I decided to discuss the worst of them:
Nasscom asks for Help from ITAA - We have often suspected that India's NASSCOM has worked with Harris Miller's ITAA, but this cements their relationship. These two powerhouses have proven that they are very good at pushing the right buttons to influence Congress. If they are forming an alliance it will be a difficult combination for labor groups to counter.
Nasscom, representing 850 Indian companies, has hired Hills & Knowlton. Hills and Knowlton is a very successful lie-for-hire PR company, and NASSCOM ponied up $100,000 to pay them for the first six months of next year. Hills and Knowlton isn't cheap so you can bet that more money will paid as the propaganda starts hitting the media, and the politicians are wined and dined.
Nasscom's president, Kiran Karnik claims he has met with more than 50 members of Congress and government officials. You can bet he wasn't talking about Mahatma Ghandi!
Washington-based law firm Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld has been paid $600,000 annually "to advise India and work the halls of the Congress". In other words, they will spend whatever it takes to buy our Congress. If history is any guide, expect our Congress to sell out cheaply on these trade issues.
India is working with the World Trade Organization to create a new visa that will have no fixed expiration. This is some scary information, because if India has their way the visa will have no limits on the numbers of aliens that can take jobs in the U.S. and no protections for American workers. India has been floating this idea for awhile and they are getting a receptive ear at the WTO. Indian industry groups have previously said they will promote this idea at the FTAA talks in Florida.
[url]http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?artid[/url] =286436
The Economic Times Online Printed from economictimes.indiatimes.com >News By Industry >Infotech
Software
Nasscom to seek US IT association's help
PTI[ SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2003 07:20:17 PM ]
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KOLKATA: Concerned about the possible impact of visa restrictions by the US government for Indian professionals, Nasscom on Sunday said it would seek help of the Information Technology Association of America in this regard and try to sensitise the US about its adverse effect on Indo-US business and the US companies.
"The cap (on granting of H1-B visa to Indians going for employment in US) would act as a dampener, leading to disruption in Indo-US business. In the short term it will disrupt flow of business and the US companies will also be affected," Nasscom president Kiran Karnik said. (Will the US lose out in the long run because of the visa restrictions?)
While the impact of the visa restrictions for Indian professionals was yet to become apparent, "it will definitely be felt by April next, if not amended", he said.
Asked what steps Nasscom would take to neutralise the protectionist measure, Karnik said, "We are taking help of the ITAA. We will try to make the US understand that it will also affect their companies."
The reduction in the sealing of the annual quota for H1B visa to Indian professionals from 1.95 lakh to 65,000 was ââ¬Ëvery lowââ¬â¢ given that the US economy was picking up and more people were expected to look for opportunities there, he said.
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The Economic Times Online Printed from economictimes.indiatimes.com >News By Industry >Infotech
ITeS
Indians in US lobby against BPO backlash
PTI[ THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2003 11:37:02 PM ]
WASHINGTON: A coalition of Indian government officials, business groups and influential Indian Americans has quietly launched an extensive lobbying campaign here to counter allegations that the country was taking an unfair number of high-end US jobs, a media report said on Thursday.
India is paying several high-priced Washington lobbying and law firms to craft a campaign extolling the benefits to the US of closer economic ties with India, the Wall Street Journal reported. (Do you think that lobbying by Indians is the best way to counter the BPO backlash in the West?)
Washington-based law firm Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld will collect $600,000 annually "to advise India and work the halls of the Congress", according to Justice Department records. Former House Speaker Tom Foley, former diplomats and lawmakers at the firm will run the campaign. The Indian Embassy also has an annual $240,000 tie-up with well-known international advisor Edwardvon Kloberg, who represents several eastern European companies, the report said.
India's National Association of Software and Service Companies (Nasscom), representing 850 international companies, has hired Hill & Knowlton, an influential public relations and lobbying firm. Nasscom paid the company $100,000 for the first six months of this year.
"India really feels a need to get their story out. They are frustrated by being bashed for their success in developing an educated work force that can compete worldwide," Michael Clark, executive director of the US-India Business Council, said.
So far, the Indian alliance, working with Hill & Knowlton and a few local Indian American lawmakers, has succeeded in temporarily blocking passage of anti-outsourcing bills in New Jersey and Maryland, the report said.
Battle plans are being drawn for what are expected to be far tougher fights next year in those states as well as in Michigan, North Carolina and others considering legislation that would outlaw the use of overseas workers to do state contract work, it said.
The alliance is having less luck so far in Congress. Labour and white collar activists recently persuaded lawmakers not to renew a measure that had tripled the number of H-1B work visas issued to foreign professionals to 195,000 annually from the original 65,000. India gets a majority of those visas issued for high-tech jobs.
The Washington Alliance of Technology Workers has been pushing States to pass legislation that would block government contract work from being performed overseas. It is also pressing Congress to put new limits on guest visas granted to high-tech workers.
Members of the Indian coalition complain that they did not get support they needed from US companies that benefit from the expanded visa programme.
So far, Nasscom officials are doing most of the face-to-face work on Capitol Hill. Since the beginning of the year, president of Nasscom Kiran Karnik said, he and his colleagues have met with more than 50 members of Congress and government officials.
The Indian coalition is laying the groundwork through the World Trade Organisation to create a new guest professional-services visa that will have no fixed expiration, Karnik added.
To bolster India's lobbying muscle, coalition members say they are urging Indian Americans - many of whom are well-paid technical workers and professionals - to get more involved politically.
Of the nearly two million Indian Americans, 20 per cent are millionaires, according to a Merrill Lynch & Co. study. They currently have few active political-action committees or Washington advocacy groups, but individuals are generous contributors to election campaigns, according to some political and cultural leaders in the community.
The community's generosity, says the paper, is one reason membership in the House's India Caucus has swelled to 175 members, a 40 per cent increase from last year. But an aide to Caucus co-chairman Joe Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, said Indian Americans don't press Caucus members to vote a certain way on issues.
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2003-11-19 01:12 | User Profile
Yes, other nations do use lobbyists to advance their interests. BTW, did you previously post on this board using the name [I]rban[/I]?
2003-11-19 01:21 | User Profile
The above was in response to an rban post that's deleted, lest anybody think I'm posting to myself...
2003-11-19 03:11 | User Profile
Where is rban lately? Did he get banned again while I was away?
2003-11-19 04:35 | User Profile
A word or two about Indians...
I live near RTP (Research Triangle Park), a telecom, biotech, IT 'hub' in the South.
There is a huge (at least it seems that way to me) Indian population here. The high school I attend is about 15% Asian (in semi-rural Morrisville, North Carolina!); the majority of those kids are Indians.
Many of my friends are Indians and I would say that Indians are the most easily assimilated of all non-whites...
HOWEVER...Indians all seem to have a 'superiority complex' and (undeserved) arrogance. On avg., they may be smarter (or just harder working?) than the white kids, but the best and brightest students are, without a doubt, whites. Asian kids (and their parents, who are often INSUFFERABLE in their smug elitism) will always boast about their SAT scores, piano recitals, etc., but in the end the most successful students are white. I'd also be willing to bet that the Asian kids have the benefits of tutors, test prep classes and other expensive programs that many of the whites wouldn't ever use.
Of course, an Asian technocratic elite is GOOD FOR JEWS so you constantly hear stories about "Asian geniuses" and "super-smart Asian students" while the truly successful whites are ignored. It's also interesting to see how Hollywitz has portrayed Asian culture recently (e.g., "The Fast and the Furious", "Kill Bill")...basically, Asians are not only SMARTER than whites, they're COOLER too!
Ah, Amerikwa...2003.
2003-11-19 05:02 | User Profile
The term "Asians" in the US is reserved for chinks and other gook varieties. Dot-head children are reverting to their country's low IQ and are usuall dumb (and pests too). The overachievers here are chink children. Of course, they aren't smarter, they just spend inordinate amount of time on studying.
One thing I and others have noticed is how aggressive the little dot-head monkeys are. These qualities are present only among the low-IQ population. Chink children are mellow, just as white children are.
2003-11-19 05:09 | User Profile
2600, sounds a lot like what I experienced in HS in L.A. The Asians worked very hard to get high scores, etc. Studies have shown the Asian kids (E. Asians and Indians) put in 4 hours and more each night of study. The same studies showed that the avg. white put in less than **4 hrs. per week. ** In the end, the top individual scores are achieved by whites. However, the same studies also showed the more "Americanized" the Asians were, the lower their test scores. That's all by jew design, of course. I smirk and then stick it to some of the Asians these days when it comes to the SAT, as the test has been continually 're-centered' since 1982, to make it look like the boolies and bean dogs are doing better. Of course, they aren't. Anyway, if the Asian in question tells me about their test, I ask them if they took the real test, you know, the one before 1982 ... then explain what's going on. It kinda throws them off. Hell, it throws anyone off. I ran into the same at UCLA. They will put in the study time, and they will CHEAT. In a physics class one quarter, we were having an exam, when all of a sudden the campus police came in and shut the place down, blocking the exits. They went to each student and asked for student ID and driver's licenses. They ended up grabbing a bunch of Asians. Some were older guys, grad students, etc., taking the tests for relatives or friends, and some were guys with answer sheets, etc. I don't know how the 'authorities' found out what was up (probably input by faculty, etc.) but I have been told this still goes on, sometimes with jewish students, especially Persian jews, getting yanked along with the Asians. Of course, it isn't publicized too often ... A waaaays back, there was a thread on this here at OD.
Asians seem to be able to memorize, to learn and understand, but their creative ability, their divergent thinking ability, seems to be very, very low when compared to that of whites. Once they've garnered info, they don't seem, on average, to be able to do what whites do with it, when it comes to innovation, invention, etc. Some will openly admit it, some won't, but they all know it to be true. This is really evident when you look at breakthroughs in all areas of science and technology, and was apparent back when I was a programmer, and even now, where I work in CG.
Yes, the Indians are braggarts. Something in their cultural make up, I suppose. Some Chinese are the same way. It's like bringing up IQ averages - yeah, jews and Asians have slightly higher averages, but their SD's are so narrow compared to whites it isn't even funny. This is why whites are so overrepresented when it comes to folks in the 150+ IQ range. But you can't mention that. It's racism.
I will admit the Asians assimilate far better than the blacks and mestizos. But they're smarter in the first place. Unless we're talking about Vietnamese, Cambodians, Filipinos, etc. Terrible gang problems with them here in S. CA. They are extremely violent. But they tend not to bother whites. The Cambodians did present some laughs in the mid 1980's when they got into a turf war with the Mexicans and blacks in Long Beach. To the exasperation and not so hidden amusement of the Long Beach P.D., some of the Cambodian gangsters were military veterans, and they taught the rest of the Cambodians how to shoot. Their shooting ability, and sniper ability, was far beyond that of the blacks and messicans of course, and the turf war was over in short order. Something whites should keep in mind.
2003-11-19 05:17 | User Profile
Speaking of cheating, the publically available GRE verbal test scores for foreign students place the Chinese candidates as high scoring as Americans, unlike ALL OTHER Asian candidates. Seeing the chinks never being able to pick up half-decent English even after decades of living in the US and observing their abismal vocabulary, that certainly is a suprise, NOT!
2003-11-19 08:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Where is rban lately? Did he get banned again while I was away?[/QUOTE] He posted in this thread using the name TrueAryan, and in his post expressed a criticism of Indian criticism.
2003-11-19 08:34 | User Profile
Roy Batty's post expresses many of my observations as well. Asians are indeed excellent imitators, but consumately horrendous innovators. And give the second generation Asians an Amerikwan dose of MTV and Hollywood, and they can be just as inert as any White in the U.S. who has been exposed to the same.
2003-11-24 16:36 | User Profile
Gotta brother in law that does IT for a major oil company in Houston. Just found out his job along with many others i.e. accounting, low-end administration, etc. is being outsourced to India. He knows I follow some of this stuff, so he was asking me for some web links related to Indian outsourcing, political action groups to combat it, etc.
Does anyone here know of any sites dealing directly with this Indian outsourcing problem?
2003-11-24 22:12 | User Profile
The links in my signature lead to a plethora of information about outsourcing and visa workers.