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Thread ID: 11122 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2003-11-17
2003-11-17 14:12 | User Profile
All I'll say is: GO SEE THIS MOVIE! Extraordinary. Realistic. Captivating. White Men at their best. Impeccable acting, impeccable detail.
My only problem is I can't stand seeing fratricidal killing anymore, especially in today's ugly climate of White racial demise.
However, understanding history, the glorious empires of Britain and France and their warrior spirits are inspiring for all racialists to look back on and hope that once again we will rise again. Seeing these types of movies makes me feel proud of our ancestry.
I hail all who worked on and starred in this excellent film.
2003-11-17 17:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]All I'll say is: GO SEE THIS MOVIE! Extraordinary. Realistic. Captivating. White Men at their best. Impeccable acting, impeccable detail.
My only problem is I can't stand seeing fratricidal killing anymore, especially in today's ugly climate of White racial demise. [/QUOTE]
It's gonna have to be extremely good to please Patrick O'Brien buffs like me.
The review in the NY Times made it sound like a good action film that reached to nothing of the inwardness of the two major characters: and the reviewer appeared to me to understand O'Brien's work pretty well.
That is not to say that it might not still be a positive film, from a racialist perspective.
2003-11-17 20:17 | User Profile
I've pretty much read all the books in the series except for a few I couldn't find.
My recollection is that Steven Maturin was really the more interesting and complex of the 2 main characters and that Jack Aubrey was only referred to as "Lucky" Jack very sporadically, and late in the series, as his carreer waxed.
In my minds eye I never envisioned Aubrey as a a Russell Crowe type. Crowe is decidedly too working class in my opinion. Aubrey's father had a seat in parliament from a rotten borough, if memory serves, but was somewhat eccentric and held political views that marginalized him. Definitely not working class a la Crowe who seems more the yob type.
Maturin was in his own manner just as brave as Aubrey who was brave in a swashbuckling conventional way. Maturin fights at least one duel during the series, one of which results in a ball entering his chest. He walks to his fallen opponent, a jew BTW, and regretfully observes that he has suffered a fatal wound. I say regretfully because Maturin considered dueling a waste of human life and fought only when the code duello demanded it.
Later, Maturin performs self surgery to remove the ball and his assistant swears that he observed Maturin's beating heart while the chest was open and that Maturin's hand never wavered at the sight.
Maturin also assassinates at least one French agent during the series. He accomplishes this by hiding in the Frenchman's room and cutting the unsuspecting man's throat.
There is much humour in the books. Droll Brit humour. Over 22 books you get to know all the character's quirks. Muturin can't get in or out of a launch without falling in overboard and this causes the crew much anguish for he is loved by them for his medical concoctions and surgical skill and they dote on him all the more since despite all his years at sea he remains an incurable "lubber".
The books are a trove of nautical minutae. You learn things like the most effective range of a blunderbus is 5 feet (for close quarter fighting during boardings) and that the hats the captains wore could be placed on the head sideways or front to back, depending on taste. This will prove to be is useful information should these hats come back into style.
2003-11-17 20:54 | User Profile
Good to see other O'Brian fans.
Erich:
If recollection serves, Aubrey was called "lucky" in the first book in reference to a particualar well turned voyage in which he captured several ships. Malta was the port in the first book if I remember.
But I agree with your crits. Nothing against Crowe, but he isnt cast well for this role. Aubrey was a buffoon on shore and a tiger at sea. Also Maturnin. I have always seen him as an unremarkable dimunitive professorial type in appearance. Eccentric, absent-minded naturalist of the 17-18th century. Not so the man cast to play him. Very little resemblance.
I've read about 15 of the twenty.
2003-11-17 20:56 | User Profile
Maturin IS O'Brien: I don't know who Aubrey is, but the talkey-talkey is it's O'Brien's brother.
The books are fundamentally Aubrey-seen-by-Maturin, and Aubrey does grow in personal and political stature as they proceed - in fact, at the last, he out-grows Maturin, or grows away from Maturin.
2003-11-17 21:13 | User Profile
I found Maturin to be a more interesting character than Aubrey, at least in the movie. Aubrey believes "men must be governed" while Maturin tosses out such things as "authority corrupts". I did not read any of O'Brian's books....but I'm going to start. Having not read the books, I do think Russell Crowe plays a damn good captain. He commands respect as one would think an early 19th Century navy captain would....but, like I said, I didn't read the books.
I think the director of M&C, Peter Weir, could have done a little more character development on both Aubrey and Maturin, but I'm not knocking the final product at all....such an outstanding film.
2003-11-23 09:53 | User Profile
A very fine movie indeed. I liked most of all the scene where the respective French and British sailors bowed their heads as Russel Crowe spoke the Lord's Prayer out loud at a burial service. Imagine the residents of the modern Middle East doing that after fighting each other. At heart whites know that we are one people, only divided by politics. Hope they make more movies like this one about Pat O'Brian's books.
2003-12-23 04:11 | User Profile
There was one scene in the movie where the white sailors sought to mix with Indian women.
2003-12-23 06:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Metternich]There was one scene in the movie where the white sailors sought to mix with Indian women.[/QUOTE]
I thought the film was great. Just great.
And about mixing with the Indian women, all I can say is that I spent a year of my life at sea and there were times when an Indian woman would have looked pretty good.
Hey, these poor bastards were out at sea on a tiny little ship under extremely hard conditions. Cut them some slack!
Walter
2003-12-23 06:58 | User Profile
Oh, I loved the film. It stands head and shoulders above movies like the Matrix. However, it just seems that every film released by Hollywood these days has a clear and identifiable race-mixing angle. Last Samarui is much worse in this regard.
2003-12-23 07:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Metternich]Oh, I loved the film. It stands head and shoulders above movies like the Matrix. However, it just seems that every film released by Hollywood these days has a clear and identifiable race-mixing angle. Last Samarui is much worse in this regard.[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly the sailors didn't actually do any yobi-yobi with the native girls. They looked, but then they moved on as DUTY CALLED.
Arrgghhhh me hearties!
Walter
2003-12-25 06:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]If I recall correctly the sailors didn't actually do any yobi-yobi with the native girls. They looked, but then they moved on as DUTY CALLED.
Arrgghhhh me hearties!
Walter[/QUOTE]
Correct..Crowe was certainly eyeing that lil Injun, but in the end, no copulation. This flick definitely passed the joo test. One of the few I will considering purchasing on DVD.
2003-12-25 08:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Chaucer]Correct..Crowe was certainly eyeing that lil Injun, but in the end, no copulation. This flick definitely passed the joo test. One of the few I will considering purchasing on DVD.[/QUOTE]
This is a bit off topic, but have you ever heard of "[URL=http://www.talklikeapirate.com/]Talk Like a Pirate Day[/URL] ?"
It's an absurdist thing promoted on the internet. Everybody is supposed to talk like Long John Silver for a day, and say "aaaarrrrghh" a lot.
I've heard people do this. It's a scream.
I probably couln't get away with it in my work.
"Aaaarrrgh, your honor, ye be right that my client - aaarrghh - is a landlubbing jackarse - aaarrghhh -"
Nah, wouldn't work. I'd get fined.
Walter