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2003-11-15 17:51 | User Profile
Perun1201: Is it just me or are today's teenage/20 something sluts the most idiotic and inconsistent buffoons ever to have lived?
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Britney Sexes Up the Music By Rashaun Hall
NEW YORK (Billboard) - If you can believe it, Britney Spears (news) would like people to focus on her music, not her midriff.
But seeing is believing, and since the debut of her music video "I'm a Slave 4 U" two years ago, fans have seen Spears take an increasingly provocative journey into sexual exhibitionism.
From her love life to her infamous MTV Video Music Awards kiss with Madonna (news - web sites) to her National Football League kickoff concert and her most recent performance in New York's Times Square, the artist has tested the limits of her sexuality.
But now comes the moment of truth. With her new album, "In the Zone," set to be released Monday (Nov. 17) internationally and Tuesday (Nov. 18) in the U.S., her label, Jive Records, can only hope that her midriff won't overpower her music.
The challenge for the record label is to get across that Spears, 22, has matured as an artist and is ready for a grown-up and more musically diverse audience.
In an interview with Billboard, Spears tries to make the point clear that she's just being herself.
"I'm doing my thing, and it's the media that's misconstruing the whole conception. It's not me," she insists. "I can't help the fact that they write about me going to Starbucks 24-7."
Paradoxically, her album sales seem to have declined in direct proportion to her increasing public profile.
Her 1999 debut, "... Baby One More Time," sold 10 million copies. Subsequent releases -- 2000's "Oops! ... I Did It Again" and 2001's "Britney" -- sold 9.1 million and 4.2 million copies, respectively, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
"Certainly, the kiss at the MTV Awards segued into the Madonna single and video in a big way," Jive president Barry Weiss says.
Perhaps. But so far, public reaction to the new material has fallen well short of the media excitement.
"Me Against the Music," the album's opening single (featuring ample guestwork by Madonna), is up from No. 13 to 11 this week on the Mainstream Top 40 chart. But on the Billboard Hot 100, it has slipped six slots to No. 44 in its fifth week.
With the single leading the way, Jive is turning up the volume on its marketing campaign.
"We've left no stone unturned," Weiss says. "We have tons and tons of media on a worldwide basis going into the album, and we're exhausting every area that we can -- print and electronic media, TV, radio, video -- to make sure that people know this album is coming."
In addition to mainstream appearances, Jive is targeting the gay community with the album, which is heavy on dance influences. To that end, the label is working with lifestyle marketer the Karpel Group.
"Because this music is so much more dance-oriented and the producers that are on this album are so ensconced in that community, we just felt like this was really the time to do this," Jive marketing executive Kim Kaiman says.
Clear Channel Entertainment will produce next year's 56-date Spears tour. The outing will play West Coast arenas from March 3 through April, then hit outdoor amphitheaters in mid-July.
Jive plans to release a Spears DVD in mid-March, with previously unreleased footage.
DARK SIDE
"In the Zone" marks a musical departure for Spears. Instead of traditional pop, the singer opts for a darker, more dance-oriented sound.
"It was a weird process at first," Spears says. "I didn't exactly know what direction I wanted to go in, but I took my time. That's why I like this album so much.
"I did it right. I waited to find myself with other people that I really had chemistry with and could really be creative with," she says.
The album includes production from Moby, Bloodshy & Avant, R. Kelly and the Matrix, among others.
For Larry Rudolph, Spears' manager for Reindeer Management, it was important for Spears to continue moving away from a traditional pop sound.
"On the last album, she kind of departed from that with the Neptunes-produced stuff that she did, like 'I'm a Slave 4 U' and 'Boys.' Those departures were really what worked best for us on the last album," Rudolph says. "We recognized that going into this album."
After weighing their options, Spears and her camp decided on a more dance-oriented album.
"Dance music is really pop music anyway, it just has sort of a different label to it," Rudolph says.
The new direction was felt immediately with "Touch of My Hand," the first song that Spears cut for the new album.
"It really did provide a balance for the rest of the record. We just went from there," Spears says of the track.
Spears co-wrote seven of the album's 13 songs. "She has achieved what she set out to achieve, which was to make a mature album that didn't sound like something she would have done three years ago while still making a commercial album that has hit singles," Weiss says.
"It's a little moody. It's very dance-oriented and very mature," he adds. "It's the kind of record she should be making right now, and it came down to her to make it."
Reuters/Billboard **
2003-11-15 19:57 | User Profile
[quote=Perun1201]: Is it just me or are today's teenage/20 something sluts the most idiotic and inconsistent buffoons ever to have lived?
I just think they're confused and conflicted. Britney is just barely 20.
That age has always seemed liked idiotic and inconsistent buffoons to me, especially girls that get a lot of attention and don't have anything else to tie into.
2003-11-15 20:40 | User Profile
I think Brittney Spears is very consistent.
2003-11-15 21:23 | User Profile
She can't crash and burn fast enough for me. Now if only there were some way she could crash and burn while leg-shackled to the entire rap 'community'.
This topic especially burns me because the best [rock] bands out there - the musical ones who still write songs, with things like melodies, counterpoints, virtuoso musicianship, etc, in them - are dying so far as America is concerned. The last half-dozen concerts I've seen - some of the best damn rock bands on the planet - drew no more than 200 paying customers at a shot. (One pulled in a whopping 50 people!) These are in some cases American bands who are forced to sign with European and/or Japanese labels and who are compelled by such apathetic turnouts to play exclusively outside the United States; it's not like they're not [I]trying [/I] to offer the slackjawed nose-ringed American audience an alternative to the processed shit they are fed. But there is NO co-operation from either the audience or the industry: no radio, no video or tour support or promotion whatsoever. (This doesn't even [I]begin [/I] to touch upon the great European bands who in all likelihood will [U]never [/U] appear here because there is no rational justification for incurring the type of losses they'll surely incur bankrolling a tour that draws a few hundred people at a time AT BEST.)
So I can only offer a sour chuckle at articles like the above that try desperately to develop a cult of personality around a prefabricated sex toy like Britney Spears who HAS no personality. (And whose 'voice' sounds like someone created a computer program that mimics Jayne Mansfield as a bordello chanteuse singing 'songs' so bereft of [I]any[/I]thing authentic they make the "I'm Lovin' It" commercials seem like THE WHITE ALBUM.) Now it's "hey, buy her album - Britney's reaching out to the fag community!" In about a year the spin will try to convince me to buy her next piece-o-shit release because she's an American heroine for toting around a vagina in an industry where men sign the checks. And about six months after [I]that [/I] is when we should all be seeing that heroic vagina of hers up-close in the inevitable PLAYBOY spread that every free-falling flavor of the week grabs ahold of on their plummet to the pop-culture trash heap.
2003-11-15 21:56 | User Profile
Good rant!
This doesn't even begin to touch upon the great European bands who in all likelihood will never appear here because there is no rational justification for incurring the type of losses they'll surely incur bankrolling a tour that draws a few hundred people at a time AT BEST.
Don't get me started. It's even worse up in Canaduh. If a good European band actually manages to get a big enough following to tour North America, they're definately not coming to Alberta. The monopolized music system needs to die faster - at least it is dying though.
2003-11-15 22:02 | User Profile
Die, zhid recording and movie industry.
2003-11-15 22:03 | User Profile
Interesting that yer Canadian since the show that drew 50 people was The Tea Party's only NYC show to date. (Yeah, I know they're a big draw up there, but they can't get arrested down here.)
2003-11-15 22:09 | User Profile
Il Ragno, the powers that be WANT the bands you mention to die. They want to ultimately just present us with browns and blacks on stage. Period. No white males. Not even whiggers, just browns and blacks, with the occasional 'whites' like the Hebestie, I mean Beastie Boys (three annoying jews) or maybe a wimpy homosexual white tossed in. The zhids don't give the public what it wants. They give the public what they want the public to become.
This reminds me, again, of LIFE magazine's "Year in Review, 1982". One article in the magazine was titled "The Year Rap Swept America". Of course, it didn't, back then. But they were working on it. And that article was one of the ways meant to convince us it was the way to go, etc. I wasn't very political in my thinking at the time - but I did know the article was a lie. But the chesire-cat zhids kept pushing, and pushing, and PUSHING until that's all that was presented. Black warbling and rap. They don't respond to the market. The jews work and work to make the market respond to what they want it to like when it comes to music. This has allowed them to push the white bands aside.
Look at "white" bands today. The heavily promoted ones, that is; Linkin Park, whiggers - including an Asian wanna be boolie. Fred Durst and crew (Limp Bizket) - whiggers. (Durst is actually very well connected in Hollywood through relatives - all the stories about his rise from nowhere, etc. are bullshit) Everyone trying out for American Idol sings in the negro warble over done ready for a breakdown fashion. Nigrified. All by design.
When's the last time a ROCK BAND, an all white rock band was heavily promoted? And I mean a band that wasn't loaded with crypto jews like Vedder, Grohl, etc. Not too often lately, eh? When's the last time a (straight) white male singer was promoted? Not jews like Bolton, Marx, etc.
I sympathize, IR. The best bands I've seen the last few years weren't at the Staple's Center or the Forum.
Britney and her clones are the lures used to drag young white girls to the lair and level of the nignog and mestizo. Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Eminem serve the same function for the young white boys. All the while, Abe has his kids studying for the SAT - even though connections will get them the school of their choice anyway. The studying will sharpen Abe jr's mind for use against the increasingly dumbed down white goyim.
It's all gonna fall apart, but I wish it were right now.
2003-11-15 22:19 | User Profile
Roy, the one plus to this sad state of affairs is that you will never see a better show that at an undersold small club where every seat is stageside and the ambience is one of intimacy and immediacy: there's no such thing, really, as a musician who's gonna play badly on purpose because only 100 or so fanatical supporters showed up. Instead, you usually get an atmosphere of a band playing their asses off for extended family; I wouldn't trade a club show I've seen for front-row center seats at a faceless hockey barn holding 10,000 people.
But let's be realistic: that's just making lemonade out of lemons. If the best show you ever saw had 100 attendants, it's likely you'll never see that band plying live again.
2003-11-15 22:20 | User Profile
Gotta use the internet and word of mouth to promote bands you think are deserving to counteract the mass promoted crapzola. People just haven't heard of all the real alternatives.
My husband's friend had a late night college radio show for a while and we would hijack it when we dropped by to visit and make him play our CDs of European bands. He would get call-ins asking "Wow, what was that you played?" They like it.. just never heard of it with all the stations playing nothing but pop.
2003-11-15 22:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Roy, the one plus to this sad state of affairs is that you will never see a better show that at an undersold small club where every seat is stageside and the ambience is one of intimacy and immediacy: there's no such thing, really, as a musician who's gonna play badly on purpose because only 100 or so fanatical supporters showed up. Instead, you usually get an atmosphere of a band playing their asses off for extended family; I wouldn't trade a club show I've seen for front-row center seats at a faceless hockey barn holding 10,000 people. [/QUOTE]
When Bruce Dickinson toured solo, my husband got to see him and said it was like that. He said it was so awesome, just a small crowd all singing along to every song instead of a huge crowd of moshers squishing the real fans out.
2003-11-15 23:14 | User Profile
If Brittney wants people to focus on her music and not her midriffs, here are a few suggestions:
Roy--Are you sure it wasn't 19[B]92[/B] when Life magazine printed that rap story?? In 1982, rap was more or less a ghetto thang, with some exceptions (Blondie's "Rapture" a year earlier).
2003-11-16 03:27 | User Profile
[B]1982[/B], Robbie, 1982. I have the magazine. One of the new faces listed in the magazine is a 37 yr. old Dutchman named Rutger Hauer, playing ... Roy Batty in Blade Runner. My point was to show HOW LONG they worked to push rap on us. Creepy, eh?
Remember, Rapper's Delight came out in '79, as a benign novelty in a way. No, it's all orchestrated. Rap is such shit, it took a long time for the zhids to foist on the public. Just chipping, year after year, as they've done with homosexuality, snivel rights, immigration, etc.
BTW, IR, I agree with your remarks on small shows generally being good, and before I got to your line about it not being likely to see a 'small draw' again, I was already thinking it, because that's generally what happens. For now.
2003-11-16 04:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Remember, Rapper's Delight came out in '79, as a benign novelty in a way. No, it's all orchestrated. Rap is such shit, it took a long time for the zhids to foist on the public. Just chipping, year after year, as they've done with homosexuality, snivel rights, immigration, etc.[/QUOTE]
"Rapper's Delight" by the Sugar Hill Gang wasn't even an original song; it was rapping over the music of Chic's "Good Times". Anyone who ever wondered when hip-hop relied on original songs to get their source of background music can look to that song as the granddaddy.
I was in grammar school at that time and I even remember the Michael Jackson tidal wave that lasted from 1983-84. I was right in the middle of it. Of course, this was back in the day when Jacko was black and recorded decent music.
The first time I ever heard of Rutger Hauer was in the mid-80's when he was in a film called "The Hitcher". Correct me if I'm wrong.
2003-11-16 04:31 | User Profile
As a long-time guitar player myself who's always been interested in groundbreaking and creative bands, today's music scene also pisses me off tremendously. The most talented musicians are almost never the ones who get any airplay. Bands like Green Day, Limp Bizkit, Sublime, and the rest of those baggy-pants-wearing whiggers are all image and no substance. This is made worse by the fact that their whigger image is just as retarded as their simple-minded music.
I realize that not everyone likes heavy music, but as a huge fan of REAL metal (not Limp Bizkit et al) I can say that there are still some great bands out there. The Swedish band called In Flames is one of a few great newer bands. The German band Gamma Ray (led by former Helloween guitar whiz Kai Hansen) are also insanely good. King Diamond and even old-timer Ronnie James Dio (who's over 62 years old now!) are still going strong and putting out some intricate, melodic, and powerful works. Long-time King Diamond guitarist Andy La Rocque is almost certainly one of best ten guitarists in the history of the instrument, yet he's gotten almost none of the recognition he deserves.
Older stuff by progressive rock and metal bands like Yes, Rush, Iron Maiden, and others like them still sound much fresher today after 20 years than anything mainstream that's been released within the last two years. Hell, even 80s pop bands like The Fixx and Duran Duran, whom I used to make fun of when I was younger, sound great when compared with what's popular today.
Bands that work hard, explore different musical avenues, and master their instruments can expect to be ignored by major record companies and the mainstream media. Bands that stick to the "current formula" and rehash the same old, tired crap that's been en vogue for over a decade now will generally sell millions of records. It's all about whom the industry executives want to make their money from.
As for Britney, I'll just say this: she admittedly very attractive when she isn't wearing too much makeup, but she's turning into more of a whore each day. So, she doesn't like people looking at her midriff? Duh??? Wear a shirt that covers it up! Of course, her slutty attire, the Madonna kiss, etc., are all nothing more than publicity stunts. I'm actually embarrassed for that girl, since she's obviously not intelligent enough to be embarrassed on her own behalf. And if I were her dad, I'd smack her for acting like such a tramp!
2003-11-16 04:57 | User Profile
I realize that not everyone likes heavy music, but as a huge fan of REAL metal (not Limp Bizkit et al) I can say that there are still some great bands out there. The Swedish band called In Flames is one of a few great newer bands. The German band Gamma Ray (led by former Helloween guitar whiz Kai Hansen) are also insanely good. King Diamond and even old-timer Ronnie James Dio (who's over 62 years old now!) are still going strong and putting out some intricate, melodic, and powerful works. Long-time King Diamond guitarist Andy La Rocque is almost certainly one of best ten guitarists in the history of the instrument, yet he's gotten almost none of the recognition he deserves.
Yay, another good metal fan. Why don't we have a good music thread going on in the arts section to share music with each other? I think Gustav tried to start one and it never took off.
2003-11-16 05:29 | User Profile
Angler--
I work in a department store and everytime I walk past the electronics section, I always see the videos that are always playing on the 30-or-so screens. Aside from the usual hip-hop, Latin hip-hop, Beyonce r&b and an occasional AC artist, they play plenty of what is now considered "rock". Rooney (with a lead singer who looks like a Ramone), Limp Bizkit, and countless acts whose names and song titles are so "edgy" that it seems so obviously pretensious ("Trapt", et al.) Even the independent labels they thrive on so much have "edgy" titles to make them sound so alternative. Well I guess alternative is rock now (for I haven't heard that term in ages). The music is all the same. Their guitars whine, not shout or blister, and their voices shout so loud like what's the point??
Good lord it's been ages since I was listening to my Def Leppard tapes, then Led Zeppelin (thanks to my older sister). Of course, I like a lot of different music, but it's really so amazing that the Chosen in the music industry could pull one of the most abrupt changes in music. In the summer of 1991, "grunge" began to surface, and then it was like one big explosion. Where did the metal bands go?? Where did Top 40 radio go?? Then hip-hop/gangsta music began hitting the charts. It shouldn't come as a surprise that as soon as the metal bands were snuffed out of the air, p.c. was becoming more and more prevalent and with it came Clinton's election win.
80's music (in my opinion) has held up quite well compared to the crap that's out today. In fact, comparing 1983 with 2003 is like light years.
2003-11-16 05:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE]IR: And whose 'voice' sounds like someone created a computer program that mimics Jayne Mansfield as a bordello chanteuse singing 'songs' so bereft of anything authentic they make the "I'm Lovin' It" commercials seem like THE WHITE ALBUM.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :clap: :lol: That is too cruel. Speaking of which, I for one am getting utterly sick of hearing the “I’m Lovin’ It” jig non-stop while commuting, even on supposedly conservative/classical radio stations in town. Here is hopeing that Mickey D’s profits take a nosedive, but, then again, considering the target audience and the demographic profile of existing customers, this is probably wishful thinking.
As for Britney, at 22 she already looks ten years older, and [I]that[/I], along with consumers’ penchant for a rapid turnover rate of non-talented but cute little things, is her undoing. Let’s face it its been downhill for her ever since the schoolgirl outfit in her first (?) video. Too old for an encore and with no other assets to draw upon, it’s curtain time for her and show time for a younger, more plausibly virginal variant.
2003-11-16 06:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]"Rapper's Delight" by the Sugar Hill Gang wasn't even an original song; it was rapping over the music of Chic's "Good Times". Anyone who ever wondered when hip-hop relied on original songs to get their source of background music can look to that song as the granddaddy.
I was in grammar school at that time and I even remember the Michael Jackson tidal wave that lasted from 1983-84. I was right in the middle of it. Of course, this was back in the day when Jacko was black and recorded decent music.
The first time I ever heard of Rutger Hauer was in the mid-80's when he was in a film called "The Hitcher". Correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]
Most rap 'music' is either rapping over another tune, or using tons of samples. Bladerunner was Hauer's first American film.
Here's some trivia - most of Michael Jackson's hits from his big heyday of 83' - '84 were written by Rod Temperton - he's WHITE, and hails from England. He wrote many, many hits for black 'artists' in the 80's and 90's (in the 70's he was in a group called "Heatwave"). This type of thing is probably much more common than the public is aware of.
2003-11-16 06:34 | User Profile
Hey, I'm warming up to this thread. So many diff points to respond to.
[QUOTE]Why don't we have a good music thread going on in the arts section to share music with each other? [/QUOTE]
Because inevitably some sour-faced killjoy or another will chill the conversation with one of those 'pox on all your houses' retorts; ie, anything but classical music is Jew-driven decadence. As if you can't have a cd collection [I]and [/I] a rooting interest in your race/nation. But what the heck, we've hijacked this thread already, let's keep it going. Music and art are personal pursuits, we should be allowed a little - choke, gasp - diversity of opinion here. Even Robbie's disco obsession is welcome here!
One point, though, Robbie: it sounds odd but I never really minded grunge as such. It was a welcome return to power chords, unapologetic rock, band identities and compositions - and besides, most grunge bands openly stole as much as they could from old Sabbath albums which as far as I'm concerned is ok. (And anything was/is preferable to the ludicrous hair-metal of the late 80s. Britney [B]Fox[/B], anyone? [I]Brrrr[/I]....)
Yet grunge was embraced/exploited too readily by The Industry for me to ever get [I]too [/I] comfortable with....probably due to grunge being so closely identified with heroin use (which every Jew in media secretly loves seeing white kids throw their lives away on). Happily, within a few years the best parts of grunge seem to have recombined as 'stoner rock', which the music-biz zhidwigs have never embraced (or figured out how to fully exploit) - and where the drug connotations seem to stop dead at, uhh, [I]really good pot[/I]. Still, it's as hard [I]not [/I] to like Soundgarden's SUPERUNKNOWN or the first Alice in Chains album as it is to warm up to what they followed them up with (death, in Layne Staley's case). But I'd still rather hear Fu Manchu, Sheavy or Spiritual Beggars than either of the above.
Angler, I read your comments with interest. I hafta admit I have never been very fond of speed-metal (or black/death, for that matter). It's not as if I never gave it a try but that Kai Hansen camp (and I'm including the Kai-influenced bands like Running Wild and Hammerfall in there as well) just leaves me a little cold to be honest - then again, I probably fall more into the 'progressive' camp myself. But I did and still do like Gamma Ray's SIGH NO MORE, even if Ralf Scheepers is hardly Jon Anderson. (But he's still better than Kai!) Mercyful Fate/King Diamond, ditto. I absolutely can't deal with the King's - err- "vocals", for lack of a better word. Eidolon is a LITTLE easier on my ears, though. And while I generally dislike black/death metal - not for the imagery or lyrics but for the Cookie Monster vocals - I gotta admit I've been impressed with In Flames, who incorporate some sweet melodic interludes amid the cacophony. Probably the best of that subgenre are Opeth (particularly the more recent stuff) and [I]especially[/I] Anathema- now [B]this [/B] band has knocked my socks off, even if you can hardly classify them as 'metal' any longer! Any Anathema fans in the joint?
Most impressive Eurometal bands I've heard thus far other than those already listed: England's Threshold, Germany's Poverty's No Crime, and most of Sweden's "Gothenburg" bands (minus Hammerfall). Still better are the straight-progressive bands, though, particularly from Hungary & Czechoslovakia. I have yet to hear a bad band from either country. Poland is probably next on the list. Have also heard some interesting Russian groups although it's difficult and expensive to find rock cds from [I]any [/I] of these places. The few Russian bands I've heard, for instance, are mostly reissues of early 80s recordings only now trickling out of there. Scandinavia is a different story; glorious music just seems to flow out of there nonstop for the past 25 years, and they're relatively easy to locate. France & Italy also have notable traditions of excellent prog music. What I enjoy most about them - and this is not always true with metal - is that the progressive-rock bands will always, consciously or unconsciously, contain a certain flavor indiginous to the respective countries of origin. Also, most metal is sung in the default language of English; this is usually not the case with European prog (which severely limits its internatonal marketability, but adds [I]so [/I] much atmosphere and authenticity to the music. It also makes playing the cds for your friends a STEEP uphill climb.) Still, I'd [I]much [/I] rather hear a singer belt out flawless French or Hungarian than endure phonetically-learned English lyrics written by someone not conversant in the language's usage and nuances.
I'd like to further add that - if you're one of those folks who shy away at that nauseating label of 'prog', thinking it's weenie music - you might be very shocked to discover these bands absolutely cook, with a level of musicianship far beyond the ordinary.
2003-11-16 09:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno](And anything was/is preferable to the ludicrous hair-metal of the late 80s.
Say what one will, and admittedly I was never a real big fan, but 80s hair metal was at least 99.9% white. That's at least one thing in its favor.
Still, it's as hard [I]not [/I] to like Soundgarden's SUPERUNKNOWN or the first Alice in Chains album as it is to warm up to what they followed them up with (death, in Layne Staley's case).
Every once in a while I still break out the old Screaming Trees cassette to get a listen to 'Dollar Bill'. Just a great rock and roll song.
With regards to the intimate settings, I have to agree that the small venue adds much more to the intensity of the performance. Most of the small venue shows I've seen have been country music, but way back in about '85 or so I caught The Cure on their Standing on a Beach tour in a small arena now gone in Houston. Man, oh man did they rock and I bet Robert Smith didn't say more than 10 words to the audience during the entire show. Likewise for The Smithereens in about '86 or '87 on their Green Thoughts tour. To this day one of my top 10 all-time favorite albums. Straight, pure and melodic pop rock with a hook in song after song. Just seemed to come so naturally out of those guys from New Jersey, I think. As for inspirational, it seems cheesy now given the turn the band has taken in recent years, but U2 on their Unforgettable Fire tour took one's emotions to new heights, back in a time when idealism still inspired the soul. A wonderful concert.
Biggest regret was never seeing King's X play a small venue on their way up around say, the Out of the Silent Planet era. Ditto for the Smiths around The Queen is Dead tour and I could have went but unfortunately didn't. Nowadays life is too full to really follow what's new and good out there. I flip through the music video stations every once and a while and see some good stuff on MTV's Subterranean UK occasionally. Nothing though that makes me want to go drop a twenty on a CD. Usually I just put in some old Haggard or Webb Pierce and delight in what country music used to be, the heart and soul of an America that's passed us by.
2003-11-16 10:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Biggest regret was never seeing King's X play a small venue on their way up.... [/QUOTE]
I saw em in 2000 at the House of Blues before maybe 125 people or so. For whatever reason they never really caught on with the mass public, though there've been times when it seemed imminent if not inevitable; at least until Atlantic dropped them. Good set, though. And may I say that
[QUOTE]Say what one will, and admittedly I was never a real big fan, but 80s hair metal was at least 99.9% white. That's at least one thing in its favor.[/QUOTE]
is an odd point for a Kings X fan to be making. Actually, it's odd, period, since there have never been more than a handful of blacks in hard rock at [I]any [/I] point and those that were have all been bonafide quality musicians: Hendrix, Thin Lizzy, Kings X, Living Colour and - if you care to include em - a number of fusion players like Billy Cobham, Stanley Clarke, Tony Williams, etc.
I haven't kept up-to-date on the genre outside of the stuff I already like so maybe I missed a few glaring examples....are there significant numbers of Negroes in metal these days? I can't think of any.....
2003-11-16 10:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]are there significant numbers of Negroes in metal these days? I can't think of any.....[/QUOTE]
Nope. Only two that come to mind right away are the lead singers for Seven Dust and Killswitch Engage. As for old timers, don't forget John Butcher Axis. If wishes were horses, then dreamers would ride...
2003-11-16 14:06 | User Profile
Because inevitably some sour-faced killjoy or another will chill the conversation with one of those 'pox on all your houses' retorts; ie, anything but classical music is Jew-driven decadence.
Then we can tell them to shut up or post some classical reccomendations or ignore them.
are there significant numbers of Negroes in metal these days? I can't think of any.....
Significant numbers? No. Even the Brazilian bands I know of, like Angra, are White.
2003-11-16 15:23 | User Profile
How are Eddie Vedder and Dave Grohl crypto jews?
2003-11-16 16:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] Even Robbie's disco obsession is welcome here![/QUOTE]
Thank You!!
Roy Batty--
Temperton did a lot of work on Jackson's "Off The Wall" album in 1979. Yes, he was a part of the group Heatwave, which did put out some good songs around 1977-78. Their ballad, "Always And Forever" is still played today.
I am well aware of the whites who have worked "behind the scenes" of much of black music over the decades. I'd like to know if this was heavily prevalent at Motown during the 60's. I had heard once before that Motown's sole purpose was to have White people buy and listen to their music exclusively, and that they didn't want to be confined to "chitlin circuit" status. That's probably true.
2003-11-16 16:14 | User Profile
A disco fan!
points and laughs :blow:
2003-11-16 16:50 | User Profile
This is one subject (among so very many) that I could rant about for hours on end - but since it's already been covered so well, I'll spare you all. The non-stop nig/whigrification we're all assaulted with from every possible angle - on radio, in videos, in advertising - is enough to make even the sanest, mildest-mannered White music lover froth at the mouth. If it's not some crotch-grabbin' hat-on-doorag, gol' teef-flashin' monkey moron mumbling "I'm lovin' it" in "Mickey D's" commercials (change the name and get it over with - know whum sayin', assholes?), it's some pathetic "white" skank with "bling-bling" dreams caterwauling niggily on American Idol. And unlike IR, I have absolutely loathed grunge and "alternative" since that worthless junkie turd Cobain slouched onto the scene in '92. I remember distinctly the first moment I saw him: it was on the "Superstation's" (bwahaha!) old Night Tracks video show. How I sneered with contempt. "This crap will never sell!" Well, the jokes on me.
The subhuman chew FILTH responsible deserve to be exterminated for this one aspect of their degradation of our cultural life alone.
2003-11-16 17:32 | User Profile
The band Fishbone was all black and wrote some decent metal tunes.
[I]Black Flowers[/I], for instance. [I]One day[/I] is a really good punk/metal song, but their other output leaves me cold.
2003-11-16 20:01 | User Profile
I remember when Living Colour broke onto the scene around 1989, with the songs "Cult Of Personality" and "Glamour Boys", and then they were gone.
I believe the reason why black rock groups have never held up well in American music is because they're not recording hip-hop, r&b, jazz or gospel. Anything else is vanilla. :smartass:
2003-11-16 22:20 | User Profile
I'll join NBF in his loathing of "grunge" crap. It hasn't passed the test of time, whatever few old tunes they still occasionally play on "alternative" rock stations sound awful and stale, thus proving how disposable genre that was. Unlike the classic hard rock/metal that still sounds great, a limited subset of hair bands included.
2003-11-16 22:49 | User Profile
[url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=66193#post66193]Music thread revived[/url]
I'm going to be posting some mp3s, and I think other people should too, and recommend stuff.
2003-11-17 09:37 | User Profile
Last thoughts on Britney Spears .
This is from the latest issue of Esquire. That is, she offered these quotes right after posing for this pic - [I]in the same issue[/I].
[QUOTE]Interviewing Britney Spears is like deposing Bill Clinton: Regardless of the evidence, she does not waver. "Why do you dress so provocatively?" I ask. She says she doesn't dress provocatively. "But look what you're wearing right now," I say, while looking at three inches of her inner thigh, her entire abdomen, and enough cleavage to choke a musk ox. "This is just a skirt and a top," she responds. It is not that Britney Spears denies that she is a sexual icon, or that she disputes that American men are fascinated with the concept of the wet-hot virgin, or that she feels her success says nothing about what our society fantasizes about. She doesn't disagree with any of that stuff, [B]because she swears she has never even thought about it. Not even once[/B].
"That's just a weird question," she says. "I don't even want to think about that. That's strange, and I don't think about things like that, and I don't want to think about things like that. Why should I? I don't have to deal with those people[I]. I'm concerned with the kids out there. I'm concerned with the next generation of people. [/I] I'm not worried about some guy who's a perv and wants to meet a freaking virgin." [/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://a820.g.akamai.net/7/820/822/1d/www.esquire.com/women/gallery/img/031101_mww_britney02_g.jpg[/img]
Now I freely [I]admit [/I] I'd gladly take this dollop of lap-candy in the Mediterranean manner a time or three had I the opportunity, because I'm a psychopathic male who's not dead yet; but can you picture this clueless harbinger of doom for teenage girls of the Western world even putting up a [I]fight[/I] when Murray Rothstein tells her he can't in good conscience continue to promote her if she refuses to flaunt a black rapper boyfriend in her public appearances?
2003-11-17 14:01 | User Profile
We took our kids bowling this weekend- first time in years in a bowling alley. The monster sound system had satellite radio blasting out a hiphop station; the only other patrons there when we arrived was a black woman/faggy white guy combo. The friends with us were laughing nervously about maybe making a request for a music change, as if it might be a hate crime or "intolerant". I asked the twenty-something kids at the counter to change the music to anything listenable, suggesting one of the bluegrass stations or maybe folk. Of course, they suggested "classic rock" which was fine: Eagles and The Who anyday over Eminem. The black girl- who listened in to the request at the counter- threw a few looks at us, but apparently didn't call in the homey squad to teach the whities a lesson or two since we finished out our gutterball extravaganza with no further problems.
Maybe sometimes just speaking up, in small ways and in otherwise mundane circumstances, could start making a difference.
2003-11-17 14:33 | User Profile
White music. That's what I like, WHITE music. What does that mean? Classical by Whites for Whites. Kraftwerk. Hair-metal, heavy metal, speed metal, black metal. Ska. Skiffle. Banjo. Like the man (G. Gordon Liddy) said, banjo music is great - it's uplifting, happy, positive music. You can't sound sad on a banjo. I like OLD country, and everyone knows the first rap song was "Hot Rod Lincoln". I need to listen to a lot more classical because I feel there's lots of great White music there I have not heard. John Philip Sousa left me cold until I had to listen to it every day (long story) then I got to like it. Really like it. I liked a band called Chicago that was played a lot when I was a kid and years and years later, there was a commercial on TV for a compilation CD of theirs and it showed their picture, I was shocked to see they're WHITE. I guess I was on the right track after all!
I'd say, if the band's White and there's nothing anti-White in their message etc, then rock on! Don't look down your nose at any band or musician that meets the Whites who don't harm Whites criteria. And believe it or not, have any of you looked at Eminem's lyrics? I know, they're hard to make out in his music and most of his stuff is not played on the radio, but you can find his lyrics on the net and once you read them you'll see why they don't get airplay. That boy is one SMART honkey, he'd have become a doctor or engineer in a just, White society. Rap really was his only way out of the ghetto, but he's really very close to being on our side. All he needs now is a near-death experience (those happen all the time when one hangs arounds with blacks) and to get ripped off by a Jew or three, as always happens in the music business, and we will have a very talented, no matter what you think about his musical style right now, asset in our camp. That boy is just too smart. He WILL figure things out.
2003-11-17 19:47 | User Profile
I know I say this way too much on this forum, but I vomit over the thought of the Anglican Church actually naming Brittney Spears a saint! A church stupid enough to actually do that doesn't suprise me in the least they're also the church(well its American branch) to ordain a gay bishop.
** [url]http://www.dotmusic.com/news/December2000/news16894.asp[/url]
SAINT BRITNEY!
US pop sensation Britney Spears has been hailed a saint by The Church of England because she is [u]"a great ambassador for virginity"[/u].
According to a report in UK tabloid the 'Daily Star' Christian magazine 'Celebrate' has included sexy photographs of the singer and says: "Britney is very sexy but she has strong principles and religious views.
"We are trying to show readers that there are famous people who have religious beliefs."
Spears, who is dating *NSYNC singer Justin Timberlake, has previously been criticised for continuously preaching her virginity but at the same time flaunting her sexuality in raunchy dance routines.
The performer herself doesn't understand the fuss. She said: "What's the big deal? I have really strong morals and just because I look sexy on the cover of 'Rolling Stone' doesn't mean I'm a naughty girl.
"I'm a Christian, I go to church," Britney continued. "Mom taught us, 'Don't be ashamed of your body, it's a beautiful thing'."
The pious singer revealed that she relys on God before going on stage. She said: "I find a lot of comfort and strength in knowing I can talk to God and He's listening. That's the way were raised, and my family still goes to church on Sundays."
A spokesman for 'Celebrate' has admitted that their special feature may cause controversy. He commented: "Britney has been criticised for being a hypocrite and some of our readers will be up in arms that we have featured her." **
That has to be one of the biggest embarrasments and insults to Christianity in the entire history of the faith!
2003-11-17 22:05 | User Profile
Things aren't going to get better until after the collapse, when the locusts are kicked out of entertainment. When they have the gall to push an 'alternative' group with the name [B]J[/B]immy [B]E[/B]at [B]W[/B]orld, rub our noses in it, then things are really bad. Too bad so few know it, for now.
Jimmy Eat World - there's not a doubt in my mind that's had a lot of laughs behind closed door meetings concerned with the next move on the hated white goyim.