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Thread ID: 11077 | Posts: 41 | Started: 2003-11-14
2003-11-14 20:04 | User Profile
I have read from old topic which handled immigration from America to Europe, that somebody suggested moving to Finland because of easy gunlaws and mostly white society.
First about guns, they are controlled here in Finland. To purchase, own and use legally an firearm you need to obtain first purchase permit from local police department and then convert it to owning permit. Legal reasons for getting purchase permits are, hunting, shooting sports, and collecting. Self-defense is only for some officials, bodyguards, private investigators. But control isn't very strict, every honest citizen can get permit to almost every kind of firearm, if he/she has some patience and legal reason to get permit. But it's quite difficult to get for example 9mm pistol for first weapon. Easiest way is to get permit for .22 and then for bigger guns. There are no magazine restriction and sound supressors can be freely bought, also it is possible for collector to get full auto weapons too.
Something about politics and race. Yes, Finland is quite white, there are about 50 000 foreigners here, and most are russians, estonians, and other EU-citizens. But we too have about 8000 somalis and other negro africans, and there are strong pressures to get more of them. Local media is mostly manned by ex-communist multiculturalists (Finland has never been communist country but they had some strong influence here at -70's, after communism's failure local commies changed their interest to multiculturalism.) Also judicial system is corrupted by ex-commies. For example, some young army officer was killed by some somali-nigger and his friends, after they had kicked their ground laying victim they shouted to all that "We rule here!" Ok that killing went to court, and judgement was issued. Two years. On probation. It means those negros did't get anything for killing an human being. Our judicial system isn't always so tender. One skinhead got four years hard time for two assault on somali occupiers. Sentence was strict because of alleged RACISM. And for tax crimes you get easily nearly ten years, but for killing white person nothing, if you are nigger.
Also here nearly everybody in political system supports multiculturalism and it is unpropable to change. There are no real nationalist parties, and election system prefers large (multicult)parties.
Taxes are among the heaviest on the world if you are not quite rich, and salaries are less than european median. Also every items cost more than usually in Europe and unemployment is high.
So as finnish nationalist I would not recommend moving here for anyone.
2003-11-14 20:11 | User Profile
Ok that killing went to court, and judgement was issued. Two years. On probation.
Lemme guess, the press whined about what a harsh sentence that was, right?
So as finnish nationalist I would not recommend moving here for anyone.
Reverse psychology, eh?
By the way, welcome to OD. I hope you'll enjoy your stay.
2003-11-14 20:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Lemme guess, the press whined about what a harsh sentence that was, right?
No, but press didn't tell about ethnicity of killer, and the whole story was supressed as much as possible. The reason I know the story is that I belong to local nationalist society, and some of victims fellow officers wrote to our parliamensts only nationalist member and he made a little speech about it. Speech was also supressed, our media moguls don't want to tell general public any irritating facts about consequences of multiculturalism. Mostly because majority don't like africans or muslims. They are irritated for example by generous welfare payments, and city supported apartments for immigrants, when white finn need to beg on knees on social security office to get enough money for living. There are still hope, the great majority isn't brainwashed. Yet.
Reverse psychology, eh?
No, from my side everyone white immigrant is welcome, even russians if they are law-abiding, russian mafia, no thanks. But by telling some facts I hope that peoples won't get dissappointed, even Finland isn't white paradise.
By the way, welcome to OD. I hope you'll enjoy your stay.[/QUOTE]
Let's see. I may become ordinary writer, if my busies will relieve in hopefully not too distant future. I apologise my bad english, I read it better than write.
2003-11-14 20:29 | User Profile
Sorry about bad quotes.
2003-11-14 20:33 | User Profile
No, from my side everyone white immigrant is welcome, even russians if they are law-abiding, russian mafia, no thanks.
I knew what you meant. I was just kidding with you, since a common theme here in the states is for cities that are still relatively White to get on a list of "The Nicest Places to Live" which causes everyone to move there and make it Not So Nice anymore. I was kidding you that you might be trying to prevent that.
No, from my side everyone white immigrant is welcome, even russians if they are law-abiding, russian mafia, no thanks. But by telling some facts I hope that peoples won't get dissappointed, even Finland isn't white paradise.
Too bad about that. I've always admired the Finns as a people, especially after learning about the Winter War of 1939-40.
I apologise my bad english, I read it better than write.
I don't think it's too bad. Your English is certainly a lot better than my Finnish!
2003-11-14 20:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE]So as finnish nationalist I would not recommend moving here for anyone.[/QUOTE]
Welcome Suomi Finland Perkele, and a very interesting diagnosis on the current situation in Finland. However, I wouldn't mind living in a country like Finland with only 8,000 Somalis compared to 60 million filthy non-Whites (half who don't speak proper English) living here in the United States.
Are you guys seeing much of the sun in Finland these days? I hear that it is dark most hours of the day during winter.
2003-11-14 20:50 | User Profile
Oh one more question, SFP, what is the jewish population in Finland?
2003-11-14 20:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]I knew what you meant. I was just kidding with you, since a common theme here in the states is for cities that are still relatively White to get on a list of "The Nicest Places to Live" which causes everyone to move there and make it Not So Nice anymore. I was kidding you that you might be trying to prevent that.[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean. Here it is rumoured that somebody is telling about our generous immigration and refugee politics in islamic countries in middle asia. Even police officials had heard it. In the message to immigrants sobody tells that finnish welfare is generous and you can tell any lis to immigration officials and they will believe and give you asylum whit generous payments, free apartmens, satellite televisions and free cars etc... What is mostly irritating is that they are not lying to would-be-refugees. If you are non-white you would nearly everything you want free from state.
[QUOTE] Too bad about that. I've always admired the Finns as a people, especially after learning about the Winter War of 1939-40.[/QUOTE]
That was then. After WWII communists and their fellow traitors occupied whole society (judicial system, politics, media, education, only army and police are relatively free of them). And for would-be-immigrants, we have here compulsory armed service/civil service for male citizens younger than 28 only people who have some helath issues, or have been in army can be set free of it, also Jehowas witnesses are free from service. Service lasts at minimum 6 months, and atr maximum for NCO's, reserve officers, and some specialists 12 months.
Draftee army is a necessity for nation of only 5000 000 people ond over 100km border with Russia. We could never had been able to repel russians if we hadn't quite large wartime army. At Winter war it had about 380 000 mens, poorly equipped though. At continuation war it has about 400-500 000 mens, and it had better weapons and more other equipment and also we had about 100 000 germans as our ally who occupied northern front so that our army could advance in eastern Carelia.
In nearly end of continuation at summer 1944 our troops stopped russian advance in the biggest battle in Northern Europe. Tali-Ihantala. Finnish army was only army in WWII which has defeated major soviet strategic offensive without massive area and men losses. Our concentrated artillery barracks, and precise air strikes (In WWII terms) of our and german Stukas, and brave infantry fighters defeated soviet offensive. Without russian defeat in Tali they would marched to Helsinkin quite fast.
[QUOTE] I don't think it's too bad. Your English is certainly a lot better than my Finnish![/QUOTE]
2003-11-14 21:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Welcome Suomi Finland Perkele, and a very interesting diagnosis on the current situation in Finland. However, I wouldn't mind living in a country like Finland with only 8,000 Somalis compared to 60 million filthy non-Whites (half who don't speak proper English) living here in the United States. [/QUOTE]
But there are plans to get here nearly million or two of non-whites in this century. And there are only 5000 000 of us. And these plans are quite serious they are from our business, political and EU elite.
[QUOTE] Are you guys seeing much of the sun in Finland these days? I hear that it is dark most hours of the day during winter.[/QUOTE]
Not so much and worse is still coming. Here in Turku sun ascends about 9AM and descents at about 4PM, but in december day is even more shorter. But in summer there is light very much. Sun ascends at 3 or 4AM and descends at 11PM.
In Lapland there are regions where sun doesn't ascend over horizon at winter.
The temperatures are not so cold anymore, thanks to global warming. The temperature at outdoors here is still above freezing point of water. How there?
2003-11-14 21:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Oh one more question, SFP, what is the jewish population in Finland?[/QUOTE]
Couple of hundreds I think. We haven't got many jews, perhaps they don't like climate.
2003-11-14 21:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE]...([B]the) press didn't tell about ethnicity of killer[/B], and the whole story was supressed as much as possible. The reason I know the story is that I belong to local nationalist society, and some of victims fellow officers wrote to our parliamensts only nationalist member. Speech was also supressed, [B]our media moguls don't want to tell general public any irritating facts about consequences of multiculturalism[/B].
Taxes are among the heaviest on the world if you are not quite rich, and salaries are less than european median. Also every items cost more than usually in Europe and unemployment is high.
But we too have about 8000 somalis and other negro africans, and there are strong pressures to get more of them....Also here nearly everybody in political system supports multiculturalism and it is unpropable to change. [/QUOTE]
Until someone somewhere can credibly explain how identical white-suicide-[B]as-official-policy[/B] being forced down the throat of every unwilling Western nation simultaneously is "freedom" I will continue to cling to the "childish" and "counter-productive" ideologies of white racism, white nationalism and white separatism. For dear life.
[QUOTE]We haven't got many jews....[/QUOTE]
Just enough to run your media and lending institutions, I'd wager.
2003-11-14 21:38 | User Profile
Hello to the Finnish poster,
I have spent some in Turku and like it very much. I have also talked with some Finns from the Isänmaallinen Kansallis-Liitto and some small, new groups which are doing some very good work so I feel that no cause for being depressed exists. I was wondering if you know a fellow named Alvar Kallela whom I have meet a few times and belongs to a group that I support and has been pretty active there.
What groups do you work with? What is your ideological background? If you don't work with public groups that's alright that you will not say at a place like this.
2003-11-14 21:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OlafLynckner]Hello to the Finnish poster,
I have spent some in Turku and like it very much. I have also talked with some Finns from the Isänmaallinen Kansallis-Liitto and some small, new groups which are doing some very good work so I feel that no cause for being depressed exists. I was wondering if you know a fellow named Alvar Kallela whom I have meet a few times and belongs to a group that I support and has been pretty active there.
What groups do you work with? What is your ideological background? If you don't work with public groups that's alright that you will not say at a place like this.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that I don't now that person, I'm member of Suomen Sisu, it is non ideological nationalist society. My personal ideological background is Neohumanism, alias Neofascism. Our ideology bases on fact that western civilization is nearing it's end and there is need to get powerfull fortress for remnantsa of civilisation to preserve is advancements for new successors. Best way to this is to establish strong ideological government to some stable European national state, and to try to withstand some storms of dying civilisation and emerging barbarism. We think that it is very probable that western civilisation itself cannot be healed from it's mortal wounds, so we must try to make some successor to it if white race and white nations want survive in test of time.
2003-11-14 21:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Until someone somewhere can credibly explain how identical white-suicide-[B]as-official-policy[/B] being forced down the throat of every unwilling Western nation simultaneously is "freedom" I will continue to cling to the "childish" and "counter-productive" ideologies of white racism, white nationalism and white separatism. For dear life.
I think in same manner, but main reason is that western civilisation is old and tired. And so it is vulnerable to its enemies.
[QUOTE] Just enough to run your media and lending institutions, I'd wager.[/QUOTE]
Mostly our media is in finnish hands (mostly concentrated to Sanoma magazines, which are mainly owned by Erkko family, its head Aatos Erkko is as far as I know member of many international conspirative organisations), but banks and other finanlcial institutions are in international/jewish hands.
2003-11-14 23:20 | User Profile
Someone mentioned Winter War....I'll tell some story of it, some finnish already passed away gunenthusiastist told roughly same story on his large website guns.connect.fi
It had subject "Soi laulu Suomen" it means roughly "singing Song of Finland" Our troops had efficient submachinegun called "Suomi" and firing sound of that weapon had poetically named "song of Suomi" after one nationalistic song. So mother of original authot of story lived in lost Carelia, and she told to his son that when they were fleeing soviet troops they tried to hear the sound of Suomi submachine guns. As long as song of Suomi was heard they knew that it was relatively safe to stay, because it ment that our troops were fighting back, when it stopped soviets have overwhelmed our positions and civilian refugees must start to move again to the west.
2003-11-14 23:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Suomi Finland Perkele]So as finnish nationalist I would not recommend moving here for anyone.[/QUOTE]
Guess we're still stuck with a few autonomous possessions of Denmark to place our WN hopes on.
You make it sound so bad in Finland, I'd almost think Buchanan had something to do with it. Are you sure he hasn't been over there? ;)
2003-11-15 00:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Guess we're still stuck with a few autonomous possessions of Denmark to place our WN hopes on.
You make it sound so bad in Finland, I'd almost think Buchanan had something to do with it. Are you sure he hasn't been over there? ;)[/QUOTE]
Finland is one of the LEAST bad countries in Europe. Denmark has much more muslims and negroes.
I think that my posts will tell you same things about how the things are everywhere in whiteworld. Europe is no more safe haven than America. We all must fight our fights and win those or die when trying to whin those fights. Or lose without fight.
There are millions of muslims in Europe, that is one of the reasons why our leaders don't back your government's and israeli jews war on terrorism. You have latinos we have muslims. And it's not a good thing.
My opinion is that all white peoles in the world must reason that they are in same boat and they must fight unitely. We in Europe and, you in America, and you in Russia have moe valuable things in common than differencies. We are all part of worlds smallest major race and our numbers aren't increasing. We have to turn of from this suicidal road and fight unite. Unite we'll win or lose. If we fight as separate people we will lose anyway.
2003-12-01 22:08 | User Profile
I have had no time as I have been very heavily involved with helping to elect someone that shares my views to the Ãâ¦lands Lagting (our parliament) which was a startling success as well as launching a federation for Nordic NR enterprises so I have little time for here. I was rather interested in what the Finnish poster says about neo-fascism. As I do not know the fellow I am unsure as to what he means exactly by his own personal ideology. It seems he has something in common with F.T. Marineti and Dââ¬â¢Anunzioââ¬â¢s revolutionary impulses but I would like to know more about what he thinks in terms of what a fascist order means as that expression has so many meaning.
It seems that Okiereddust is unable to be honest or civil towards my long term comrade Triskelion inspite of the fact that he left this forum weeks ago as the abusive and sarcastic comment by him above indicates. He would never say that ââ¬Åwe're still stuck with a few autonomous possessions of Denmark to place our WN hopes onââ¬Â or that what ever problems Finland has is the fault of a failed American populist. The rudeness and abusive behavior of Okiereddust makes me think that I little reason to stay at this forum.
2003-12-01 23:41 | User Profile
OlafLynckner and Suomi Finland Perkele,
Welcome to the forum and please do not be put off by anyone's comments.
Long time posters here have a tendency to develop a somtimes sardonic, sometimes satirical, but usually ment to be inoffensive method of posting.
As you go along I hope you'll note the message and not the method, really it's a good group with some excellent interaction. I hope you will become a regular.
Best Regards,
Jeffersonian
By the way, I must have missed a thread.....
[QUOTE]...or that what ever problems Finland has is the fault of a failed American populist.[/QUOTE]
How so is this the case??
2003-12-02 03:15 | User Profile
[B]Hello and Welcome Suomi Finland Perkele [/B]
My Girlfriend is from Tampere, in Suomi . :) She's a bleeding heart liberal, multi-culturalist though. :disgust:
In fact she does not wish to have any children or settle down although I am working on the problem. The enemy has done a good job of brainwashing and deceiving are women with their lies and has set them squarely against us. In order to win back our women's approval, loyal and trust clearly we must not only engage the enemy, but work against the odds and succeed in are lives. In the future when I am better able to I pledge financial and if necessary physical support to your peoples cause.
The Somali people where once a courageous warrior tribe and are not a people to be underestimated, as the Americans discovered at their peril in the 90's. The Somali is the agent and paid mercenary of the Arab who he endeavors to emulate. His alliance with the Arab in the past allowed him to profit as a slave trader of his own kind.
The traitorous EU criminals and their "immigrant quoters" are engaging in a all out policy of ethnic cleansing of Europeans. For example the lower grades of the French and British civil service are now almost a entirely Black and Asian affair. We are forced to work harder whilst disgusting lazy wogs are given the cushiest "pretend to work" jobs.
It is not just the elite who are embezzling are taxes any more, low level corruption is now spiraling completely out of control. However we really need not wonder at what the root cause of the declining state of Europe's Public Services and insane levels of taxation is.
Gregz
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte
2003-12-02 06:23 | User Profile
Welcome Suomi Finland Perkele,
I believe that I might have been the one who recommended Finland as a good nation for Whites to move to if they wish to leave America or other Jew-controlled countries. While I still greatly admire your nation for a number of reasons, I'm grateful that you could clear up some of my misconceptions about Finland's gun laws, Finnish race politics, etc. It seems that there's no nation left in the world that hasn't been tainted to some extent by the political illness that long ago infected the USA.
Although I have recommended Finland to those who have expressed a desire to leave America, I have never entertained a serious personal desire to emigrate anywhere. One reason is that I have strong attachments to my family and friends in the USA, but there's also a larger issue at hand. America has developed the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and has a formidable conventional arsenal as well; therefore, it is crucial that American power be wrested from the Jews before their grip becomes too tight. Every White American has an important role to play in the struggle. At this point, each of us can strive to awaken more of our brethren; someday soon, we may need to take up arms as guerrillas to defend our freedom and our race from Jew-sponsored destruction. A White Resistance to the Jewish usurpation of US power would be much more effectively mounted from within the US than from without, as internal fighting against our Zionist Occupational Government would be conducted almost exclusively with small arms in the more populated areas.
2003-12-06 14:27 | User Profile
Hello all, when i'm writing this it is now Finnish independence day, and some celebrations are on the way (personally i celebrate it by drinking beer). I was observing Finnish defence forces independence day parade and it was quite nice. First there was speech at Turku's central marketplace, there were troops from all branches of defenceforces and some reservists and WWII veterans, then I walked to observe driveby of military vehicles. At first 4 F/A-18 Hornets fled slowly quite near the ground with tight formation, then three Hawk training jets and then about 10 helicopters. Then lots of APC drived by with hatch open and weapons manned, then came to parades jewel one of our new tanks german-made Leopard2, thats was quite mighty vehicle, sound of it's 1500hp engine felt in bones, after that came assault tanks (BMP2's) and artillery (all terrain trucks towing variety of 155mm cannons). Weather was quite freezing and I needed to stand in freezing wind about 1 and half hour but it was worth of it. :gunsmilie
2003-12-06 15:18 | User Profile
It sounds like you thoroughly enjoyed yourself.
I wish you a happy Independence Day!
2003-12-06 15:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OlafLynckner] I was rather interested in what the Finnish poster says about neo-fascism. As I do not know the fellow I am unsure as to what he means exactly by his own personal ideology. It seems he has something in common with F.T. Marineti and D?Anunzio?s revolutionary impulses but I would like to know more about what he thinks in terms of what a fascist order means as that expression has so many meaning.
[/QUOTE]
There are about few dozens known neohumanists, our ideology is still under work but it is fascist-like. Our state ideal consists of neohumanist party or parties, members to parliement are elected by members of all kinds of societies (Unions, members of Suojeluskunta, members of neohumanist organisations etc.). Party has somekind of supreme leader council not one leader, they controll the party. State has President, and government (by party) Government needs trust of parlament which is consisted way I mentioned above (corporativism which has nothing in common with modern corporation-goverment). Judiciary system is mostly democtratized along the lines of somekind of jury system, and laws would be much simpler and harsher.
The citizens of state has freedom to keep and bear arms, and most of them will be member of Suojeluskunta (national guard or protective corps) nation also retains draft army. That would prevent government from trying to do too unpopular things.
I don't adore dictatorships but strict and powerfull government is needed to maintain stability in hard times which are coming. Western civilisation is dying.
So we aren't traditional neofascists nor traditional fascists. We are not leader centred and I think that makes it better than national socialism or traditional fascism/neofascism.
2003-12-06 15:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]It sounds like you thoroughly enjoyed yourself.
I wish you a happy Independence Day![/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot! :cheers:
2003-12-06 17:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Suomi Finland Perkele]Hello all, when i'm writing this it is now Finnish independence day, and some celebrations are on the way (personally i celebrate it by drinking beer). I was observing Finnish defence forces independence day parade and it was quite nice. First there was speech at Turku's central marketplace, there were troops from all branches of defenceforces and some reservists and WWII veterans, then I walked to observe driveby of military vehicles. At first 4 F/A-18 Hornets fled slowly quite near the ground with tight formation, then three Hawk training jets and then about 10 helicopters. Then lots of APC drived by with hatch open and weapons manned, then came to parades jewel one of our new tanks german-made Leopard2, thats was quite mighty vehicle, sound of it's 1500hp engine felt in bones, after that came assault tanks (BMP2's) and artillery (all terrain trucks towing variety of 155mm cannons). Weather was quite freezing and I needed to stand in freezing wind about 1 and half hour but it was worth of it. :gunsmilie[/QUOTE]
Lounds like fun. I like Finnish bier called Sahti which is sort of like a Juniper ale called Gottlands Drinka which I make. I am a bit confused by the neo-humanism thing you speak of so please send some links in English (I know some finnish but not enough to read importaint things). Hope things are good in the wonderful city of Turku which I will be in next month to visit friends and buy some books.
2003-12-06 18:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OlafLynckner]Lounds like fun. I like Finnish bier called Sahti which is sort of like a Juniper ale called Gottlands Drinka which I make. I am a bit confused by the neo-humanism thing you speak of so please send some links in English (I know some finnish but not enough to read importaint things). Hope things are good in the wonderful city of Turku which I will be in next month to visit friends and buy some books.[/QUOTE]
Sadly I cannot post homepage addresses because there aren't one. There was but those f*cking geocities censorship policies they don't exist anymore. One of our activists is working on this subject and I hope he will get new ones to the web soon. You would get some picture of it if you think about national socialism, and standard fascism without leader-adoring. If history had teached one thing it is that single 'über'-leaders are no good thing. Our system would have more democracy and our system will support small or middle sized enterprises against big companies, also more robust agricultural base is needed (when hard times strike it will be unprobable that international food supplies will support finnish nation). Turku is quite nice place, if there ain't so much immigrants from middle-east or Africa. Hope most of them will move in next years to Helsinki.
2003-12-08 05:22 | User Profile
More fun facts on Finland by one of your countrymen.
[url=http://www.winterwar.com/]http://www.winterwar.com/[/url]
2003-12-08 07:59 | User Profile
Absolutely a great patriotic Finlander site! Salute Finland!
2003-12-10 15:16 | User Profile
That Winter War site was quite nice...
If you are interested about finnish WWII weapons try [url]www.mosin-nagant.net[/url]
I think there are quite many Finnish military rifles available in America, and I recommend them warmly. They are accurate, reliable, durable and quite cheap.
I personally own and shoot with M39 'Ukko-Pekka' rifle manufactured in 1943. It is possible to keep all holes in the centre ring of 25Meter pistol target from range of 150 meters (about 30 and 200yds), with proper ammunition. I was quite lucky to get my rifle, when I bought it, it costed 250 euros but nowadays that store sell same rifles at 450 euros. (about same price in dollars).
2003-12-10 19:05 | User Profile
Welcome to the forum, Suomi!
Perhaps I'll see you in the Arts forum and you can explain why such a small country as Finland has such good music output? Is it the water? ;D
2003-12-10 19:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Suomi Finland Perkele]That Winter War site was quite nice...
If you are interested about finnish WWII weapons try [url]www.mosin-nagant.net[/url]
I think there are quite many Finnish military rifles available in America, and I recommend them warmly. They are accurate, reliable, durable and quite cheap.
I personally own and shoot with M39 'Ukko-Pekka' rifle manufactured in 1943. It is possible to keep all holes in the centre ring of 25Meter pistol target from range of 150 meters (about 30 and 200yds), with proper ammunition. I was quite lucky to get my rifle, when I bought it, it costed 250 euros but nowadays that store sell same rifles at 450 euros. (about same price in dollars).[/QUOTE] Soumi, three years ago, I looked at a Finnish Rifle that was new, but it was made in 1974. Though it was a Finnish army model it had a beautiful wooden stock, and had 20 round magazine's and used U.S./NATO 308 ammo. it had a bayonet and this rifle was very precision made,semi-auto. Very smooth action it had. I did not buy because it was $2,500 dollars in Feb. 2000.
2003-12-10 19:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Suomi Finland Perkele]That Winter War site was quite nice...
If you are interested about finnish WWII weapons try [url]www.mosin-nagant.net[/url]
I think there are quite many Finnish military rifles available in America, and I recommend them warmly. They are accurate, reliable, durable and quite cheap.
I personally own and shoot with M39 'Ukko-Pekka' rifle manufactured in 1943. It is possible to keep all holes in the centre ring of 25Meter pistol target from range of 150 meters (about 30 and 200yds), with proper ammunition. I was quite lucky to get my rifle, when I bought it, it costed 250 euros but nowadays that store sell same rifles at 450 euros. (about same price in dollars).[/QUOTE]
M39s are available here for around $70 US or so. Most of 'em are Russian arsenal refinished ones. Not sure about the Finnish versions, but I think they're a bit more expensive, though I don't think they're $450 yet. I've been wanting to get a Moisin in 7.62x54R and a Mauser in 8mm for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. The ammo's cheap and they're pretty fun to shoot.
I looked at a Finnish Rifle that was new, but it was made in 1974. Though it was a Finnish army model it had a beautiful wooden stock, and had 20 round magazine's and used U.S./NATO 308 ammo.
Was it a Valmet, the Finnish copy (and improvement) on the Russian AKM?
[img]http://www.valmet-weapons.com/Valmet_Model_78_762_Nato_Color.jpg[/img]
It was probably so expensive because it was a "preban" imported before the 1989 and 1994 bans.
A good FAL in .308 will do just as well at a fraction of the price. Been saving my pennies for one of those, too.
Oh, the Russian firms Saiga and VEPR make .308 autoloaders based on the AK chassis for pretty cheap, but you can't get anything other than 10-round mags for them (in this country anyway).
[img]http://faq.guns.ru/images/vepr308.gif[/img]
2003-12-10 20:23 | User Profile
Suomi,
I figure you'd like the site if you hadn't already seen it.
I had a friend who used to sell Mosin-Nagant. I see from your post that my understanding of those being fine rifles is correct. My own collection piece from that era is a 1941 Gewehr 98 that is in pretty good shape. It too, shoots tight groups. Too bad these rifles can't tell us where they been and who carried them!
2003-12-10 22:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Edana]Welcome to the forum, Suomi!
Perhaps I'll see you in the Arts forum and you can explain why such a small country as Finland has such good music output? Is it the water? ;D[/QUOTE]
I would honestly say that most Finnish popular music is crap nowadays, but there are some fine artists too.
2003-12-10 22:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Smedley Butler]Soumi, three years ago, I looked at a Finnish Rifle that was new, but it was made in 1974. Though it was a Finnish army model it had a beautiful wooden stock, and had 20 round magazine's and used U.S./NATO 308 ammo. it had a bayonet and this rifle was very precision made,semi-auto. Very smooth action it had. I did not buy because it was $2,500 dollars in Feb. 2000.[/QUOTE]
It was not an army model, it is probably civilian export model, by Valmet. All Finnish made assault rifles which our army uses are equipped with steel stock. Some variations have also folding stock. And caliber of these rifles is 7.62x39.
Valmet tried to make also some export models for militaries but politicians didn't issue export licences for these weapons.
2003-12-10 22:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]M39s are available here for around $70 US or so. Most of 'em are Russian arsenal refinished ones. Not sure about the Finnish versions, but I think they're a bit more expensive, though I don't think they're $450 yet. I've been wanting to get a Moisin in 7.62x54R and a Mauser in 8mm for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. The ammo's cheap and they're pretty fun to shoot. [/QUOTE]
There are no Russian M39's. M39 is one variant of Mosin-Nagant family it is heavier and it has better sights and barrel than most Russian/Soviet Mosins. Also it trigger is different. It's stock has 'semi'-pistol grip, and that makes it disticntively different compared to other Mosins. I think they are little bit more expensive than Soviet Mosins because there are only about 150 000 M39's ever made compared to millions Soviet rifles. That rifle doesn't cost here either 450 euros if you buy it from army shop. I didn't bought mine form there because there is extra bureaucracy because they sell it only to members of reservist associations, and I didn't want to wait for getting needed certificate of membership from my association. So I bought mine from one gunshop, they make these rifles there from selected parts, they install unused barrells if needed and unused depot-stored stock, and also they get it checked for shooting-safety in modern standards at government's proof-lab. Thats why they cost more than standard depot stored rifles.
2003-12-10 22:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Suomi,
I figure you'd like the site if you hadn't already seen it.
I had a friend who used to sell Mosin-Nagant. I see from your post that my understanding of those being fine rifles is correct. My own collection piece from that era is a 1941 Gewehr 98 that is in pretty good shape. It too, shoots tight groups. Too bad these rifles can't tell us where they been and who carried them![/QUOTE]
About my rifle, it probably has been in frontline use. It Civil Guard serial number tells that it was issued to Mikkeli's Civil Guard district at 1943. Mikkeli was place of wartime HQ and main supply depots to frontline. Our army had serious shortage of weapons and all usable was sent to the frontlines. Civil Guard marking is there only for adminstrational reasons, most wartime Civil Guard rifles were never issued to actual Guardsmen at home front, instead they went to the Mikkeli depot and were so marked for being property of that Civil Guard district. I also thought about bying Mauser rifle, but instead I decided to buy piece of Finlands history. But when budget allows I may purchase one. Now number one in purchase list is an Bulgarian made semiauto-AK (Finnish ones are really too expensive 1700euros minimum). Maybe after next summer if I have enough money and patience for needed bureacracy.
2003-12-10 23:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Suomi Finland Perkele]I would honestly say that most Finnish popular music is crap nowadays, but there are some fine artists too.[/QUOTE]
Finland's output is pretty good in the folk and metal scene, much better than all of North America combined, IMO.
2003-12-11 17:46 | User Profile
There are no Russian M39's.
Sorry about that. My mistake. I was thinking about the M44 carbines, not the M39. I was looking through a year-old copy of Shotgun News last night and they had "good" condition M39s for $69.95 US advertised. The "new" ones were about $225 or so, but I don't think they were made with new components as the ones you described. I do think I'm going to have to get one of the mid-grade examples and see how it shoots. What's the recoil of the 7.62x54R like anyway? Something like a .30-06?
Good luck on your AK purchase. Does the 7.63x39 Valmet use the same magazines as the AK? Oh, and how much do you pay for ammunition in Finland anyway?
2003-12-11 21:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Sorry about that. My mistake. I was thinking about the M44 carbines, not the M39. I was looking through a year-old copy of Shotgun News last night and they had "good" condition M39s for $69.95 US advertised. The "new" ones were about $225 or so, but I don't think they were made with new components as the ones you described. I do think I'm going to have to get one of the mid-grade examples and see how it shoots. What's the recoil of the 7.62x54R like anyway? Something like a .30-06?
Good luck on your AK purchase. Does the 7.63x39 Valmet use the same magazines as the AK? Oh, and how much do you pay for ammunition in Finland anyway?[/QUOTE]
Recoil of 7.62x53R/ 7.62x54R (7.62x53R is finnish version of 7.62x54R technically they are different cartridges but they are mostly interchangable, M39 eats all 7.62x54R cartridges, only powerfull russian fighter mg-cartridges are exception, if i remember right they have black tipped bullets) is quite considerable, it kicks little bit more than .308Win and steel buttplate of M39 will make it worse, I guarantee that you will have sore shoulder if you shoot a lot at one time. At least my shoulder is quite sore after 75-100 rounds shooting session. Ammunition is here more expensive than there, .22LR costs at cheapest about 15$/euros per 500 rounds box. 7.62x54R is at cheapest (com-bloc surplus ammo) about 50 euros per 150 rounds box. 7.62x39 is at cheapest about 3.50 euros per 30 rounds box.
Yes Valmet uses standard AK-mags. They are quite cheply available here, cheapest quite good mags are availeble in army surplus shop, they are finnish made 30rd palstic mags, and they cost about 8.50 euros each.