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2003-11-12 13:28 | User Profile
VB Collaboration With Jews Can be Tactical, But Not Advisable Report; Posted on: 2003-11-09 12:11:02 [ Printer friendly ]
Dear Moritz and fellow National Vanguard readers: Your reaction was very interesting and extremely well-informed for a non-Fleming. I would like to comment further on your message, not only because I have thought the same of this ââ¬Ådealââ¬Â at one time, but also because I can enlighten American readers further on our situation, which they sometimes tend to idealize.
You are 100% correct when you write about the separatist undercurrent in Belgium (meaning the desired separation between Flemings and Wallonians, and not a racial one). Many say that the Flemish separatist movement is as old as the Belgium un-state, established in 1830 by European rival countries for geo-strategic reasons and surely not because citizens demanded the hideous monster called ââ¬ÅBelgium.ââ¬Â One day I hope this movement becomes superfluous, meaning that it can be buried together with the Belgian state, where the majority (61% Flemings vs 39% Wallonians) has always been discriminated against.
This movement surely has historical reasons for its existence, but in the 21st century with immigration reaching an all time high and threatening to biologically destruct all our European peoples, I wonder whether it is desirable or even logical to construct a new state, a revived Flanders, with exactly the same problems as the current Belgian state: mass colored immigration, corruption, freemasonry serving as a hidden government, etc. -- all the things we perceive as enormous problems today. I sometimes fear that the current dominating faction in the Flemish Movement will in time erect nothing other than a mini-Belgian state -- just named differently.
In the past I have heard appeals from party officials to team up with organized Jewry -- and also appeals to join with political freemasonry.
Although we do need to be pragmatic, I donââ¬â¢t believe in a one-front war. Focusing exclusively on language (Dutch vs French) and economics (richer Flanders vs. poorer Wallonia) will in time become totally anachronistic and irrelevant, when even the very biological existence of our European peoples is being annihilated in nothing less than a genocide organized by the Jews.
If you say that the Vlaams Blok is teaming up with the Hassidic Jews to gain full independence of a Flemish Republic, you are sadly wrong. The Jews couldnââ¬â¢t care less. That language struggle is completely abstract to them. The reason that the upcoming generation of VB-politicians chooses to collaborate with the ultra-orthodox power mongers has nothing to do with the historical demands of the Flemish Movement, but everything with the fear of a politicized wing of Islam confronting these Jewish Molochs, in a post-9/11 climate.
I, however, canââ¬â¢t believe in this strategy. The Jews are the only reason we now, in 2003, have to deal with an aggressive minority of Arabs. Why should these Jews all of a sudden care? They really couldnââ¬â¢t give a tiny ratââ¬â¢s ass for the well-being of White Flemings. White people are only there to be sucked dry and perhaps to serve as radar in the system.
These Hassidic Jews only became interested in dealing with Vlaams Blok officials when their own people got bullied and later molested on the multicultural streets they created, because the Arab-Israeli conflict has been imported to our soil.
I say we should rather team up with the politicized arm of Islam (not the theocratical Medieval version) to confront these Jews.
By playing the Jewsââ¬â¢ agenda we can never win. The reason they tolerate us now is that they now fear being annihilated. But once the aggressive Arab challengers have been dealt with by the ever-enthusiastic VB officials, they will be put back in the closet. Jews have absolutely no desire to destroy the current system. By letting some (Arab) steam of the kettle, they hope to lengthen the life of that very system we must abolish. We call this ââ¬Ërepressive tolerance.ââ¬â¢
Let these Jews deal with the Frankenstein monster they created in the first place. Once these Jews leave or go extinct, the other colored immigrants will no longer be a problem to us, since all the Jewish-run propaganda, the guilt feelings, etc. will all be long gone.
I know other White Nationalists would rather deal with the Congoids first when the inevitable race war breaks out in our homelands. This, I think, is extremely foolish. Negroes have never been a serious issue to the White man before. They became a problem we "canââ¬â¢t deal with" only because the Jews wanted it to be so. I feel we should focus our energy on the creator of the Frankenstein Monster, or the Golem, rather than on his creations. If you eliminate the counterpart of Rabbi Ben Yehuda Loew, his Golem will collapse after him, never to return.
For myself, you can always find me in the camp of those being hated by the Jews today. I know that these must be good people. Or as Goethe said: ââ¬ÅMach mir den Teufel klein. Ein Kerrl den alle Menschen hassen, der muss was sein!ââ¬Â (Belittle the devil for me. A fellow hated by all people must have a solid character!)
Anyone hated by the Jews must have a solid character, too.
With my utmost respect, I sign, Armin Müller, Antwerp, Belgium.
2004-03-22 00:43 | User Profile
Jews are a minority in Europe, and they are not really powerfull. Even the conspiracy of Jews which support immigration and multiculturalism, would be not a problem in a democracy, cause they are not many enough. The jewish conspiracys are nonsense. Oswald Sprengler, a conservative in Republic of Weimar, wrote that the Jews are not the problem, cause everything for what the Jews have been made responsible, comes in reality from the left Germans.
The problem are not the Jews, the problem are the left-wing and the muslim immigrants. The biggest danger at the moment is the accession of Turkey, this is supported by USA and the left-wing in Europe.
The radical Islam is not the friend of Europe, it is our enemy. The muslim immigration can not be stopped with such friends, and they are very primitive and premodern, and they harm our freedom. The Zionists have the same problems like we have - to many muslims - so they are not a opponent. They want transfers, we want transfers. Islam and jewish-christian Europe were opponents in history, and we have won, this is one of the main reasons for radical Islam. They want payback. Not the Jews are bombing us, and not the Jews are invading Europe as immigrants.
[url]www.Euronational.org[/url]
2004-03-22 01:28 | User Profile
We never had any real problems with the Muslims or Arabs till the Jews came into the picture.
The Muslims now are no more than scarecrows with the Jews moving their arms and legs.
How long before the world realizes the Jews are behind 80% of the problems in this world?
They might be only 3% of the population but why do you think that they are hated so much by so many people? Why do you think people keep killing them?
Jews are hated not for bein Jews but for the way that they act as Jews.
Someday people will thank Herr Hitler for running interference in the grand plan of the Jews for world domination.
2004-03-23 00:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Euronational.org]Not the Jews are bombing us, and not the Jews are invading Europe as immigrants.
[url]www.Euronational.org[/url][/QUOTE]
Their opinion leaders consistently advocate pro-immigration movements, more than anybody else.
And Arabs hate us for one reason -support for Israel.
You should read The Culture of Critique by CalState Prof. MacDonald:
"The Culture of Critique (hereafter, CofC) was originally published in 1998 by Praeger Publishers, an imprint of Greenwood Publishing Group, Inc. The thesis of the book is a difficult one indeed, not only because it is difficult to establish, but also because it challenges many fundamental assumptions about our contemporary intellectual and political existence.
CofC describes how Jewish intellectuals initiated and advanced a number of important intellectual and political movements during the 20th century. I argue that these movements are attempts to alter Western societies in a manner that would neutralize or end anti-Semitism and enhance the prospects for Jewish group continuity either in an overt or in a semi-cryptic manner. Several of these Jewish movements (e.g., the shift in immigration policy favoring non-European peoples) have attempted to weaken the power of their perceived competitors—the European peoples who early in the 20th century had assumed a dominant position not only in their traditional homelands in Europe, but also in the United States, Canada, and Australia. At a theoretical level, these movements are viewed as the outcome of conflicts of interest between Jews and non-Jews in the construction of culture and in various public policy issues. Ultimately, these movements are viewed as the expression of a group evolutionary strategy by Jews in their competition for social, political and cultural dominance with non-Jews."
Complete text (of preface) at [url]http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm[/url]
2004-03-23 04:12 | User Profile
I was reading the French press; Jean Marie Le Pen's National Front has done very well in the regional elections in France this past Sunday. They showed very well, even in places where they weren't so strong in the past. We'll see what happens in the second round soon. They even had him appear on the French TV news in person for a brief interview. Other politicians had their time too, but I find it interesting that NF seems to get respected in the press and is actually a viable party with seats in government.
By the way, where is OD member Madrid Burns?? I hope our Spanish rep is well.
2004-03-25 23:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Euronational.org]Jews are a minority in Europe, and they are not really powerfull. Even the conspiracy of Jews which support immigration and multiculturalism, would be not a problem in a democracy, cause they are not many enough. The jewish conspiracys are nonsense. Oswald Sprengler, a conservative in Republic of Weimar, wrote that the Jews are not the problem, cause everything for what the Jews have been made responsible, comes in reality from the left Germans.
The problem are not the Jews, the problem are the left-wing and the muslim immigrants. The biggest danger at the moment is the accession of Turkey, this is supported by USA and the left-wing in Europe.
The radical Islam is not the friend of Europe, it is our enemy. The muslim immigration can not be stopped with such friends, and they are very primitive and premodern, and they harm our freedom. The Zionists have the same problems like we have - to many muslims - so they are not a opponent. They want transfers, we want transfers. Islam and jewish-christian Europe were opponents in history, and we have won, this is one of the main reasons for radical Islam. They want payback. Not the Jews are bombing us, and not the Jews are invading Europe as immigrants.
[url]www.Euronational.org[/url][/QUOTE]
You must be incredibly stupid to say something like that. Jews exercise power through control of elite institutions in society: the media, banks, universities, political appointments etc... not through voting. Jews and Arabs are cut from the same genetic and cultural cloth. They both must be expelled from all western nations.
2004-05-21 16:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Madrid burns]VB Collaboration With Jews Can be Tactical, But Not Advisable Report; Posted on: 2003-11-09 12:11:02 [ Printer friendly ]
Dear Moritz and fellow National Vanguard readers: Your reaction was very interesting and extremely well-informed for a non-Fleming. I would like to comment further on your message, not only because I have thought the same of this ââ¬Ådealââ¬Â at one time, but also because I can enlighten American readers further on our situation, which they sometimes tend to idealize.
You are 100% correct when you write about the separatist undercurrent in Belgium (meaning the desired separation between Flemings and Wallonians, and not a racial one). Many say that the Flemish separatist movement is as old as the Belgium un-state, established in 1830 by European rival countries for geo-strategic reasons and surely not because citizens demanded the hideous monster called ââ¬ÅBelgium.ââ¬Â One day I hope this movement becomes superfluous, meaning that it can be buried together with the Belgian state, where the majority (61% Flemings vs 39% Wallonians) has always been discriminated against.
This movement surely has historical reasons for its existence, but in the 21st century with immigration reaching an all time high and threatening to biologically destruct all our European peoples, I wonder whether it is desirable or even logical to construct a new state, a revived Flanders, with exactly the same problems as the current Belgian state: mass colored immigration, corruption, freemasonry serving as a hidden government, etc. -- all the things we perceive as enormous problems today. I sometimes fear that the current dominating faction in the Flemish Movement will in time erect nothing other than a mini-Belgian state -- just named differently.
In the past I have heard appeals from party officials to team up with organized Jewry -- and also appeals to join with political freemasonry.
Although we do need to be pragmatic, I donââ¬â¢t believe in a one-front war. Focusing exclusively on language (Dutch vs French) and economics (richer Flanders vs. poorer Wallonia) will in time become totally anachronistic and irrelevant, when even the very biological existence of our European peoples is being annihilated in nothing less than a genocide organized by the Jews.
If you say that the Vlaams Blok is teaming up with the Hassidic Jews to gain full independence of a Flemish Republic, you are sadly wrong. The Jews couldnââ¬â¢t care less. That language struggle is completely abstract to them. The reason that the upcoming generation of VB-politicians chooses to collaborate with the ultra-orthodox power mongers has nothing to do with the historical demands of the Flemish Movement, but everything with the fear of a politicized wing of Islam confronting these Jewish Molochs, in a post-9/11 climate.
I, however, canââ¬â¢t believe in this strategy. The Jews are the only reason we now, in 2003, have to deal with an aggressive minority of Arabs. Why should these Jews all of a sudden care? They really couldnââ¬â¢t give a tiny ratââ¬â¢s ass for the well-being of White Flemings. White people are only there to be sucked dry and perhaps to serve as radar in the system.
These Hassidic Jews only became interested in dealing with Vlaams Blok officials when their own people got bullied and later molested on the multicultural streets they created, because the Arab-Israeli conflict has been imported to our soil.
I say we should rather team up with the politicized arm of Islam (not the theocratical Medieval version) to confront these Jews.
By playing the Jewsââ¬â¢ agenda we can never win. The reason they tolerate us now is that they now fear being annihilated. But once the aggressive Arab challengers have been dealt with by the ever-enthusiastic VB officials, they will be put back in the closet. Jews have absolutely no desire to destroy the current system. By letting some (Arab) steam of the kettle, they hope to lengthen the life of that very system we must abolish. We call this ââ¬Ërepressive tolerance.ââ¬â¢
Let these Jews deal with the Frankenstein monster they created in the first place. Once these Jews leave or go extinct, the other colored immigrants will no longer be a problem to us, since all the Jewish-run propaganda, the guilt feelings, etc. will all be long gone.
I know other White Nationalists would rather deal with the Congoids first when the inevitable race war breaks out in our homelands. This, I think, is extremely foolish. Negroes have never been a serious issue to the White man before. They became a problem we "canââ¬â¢t deal with" only because the Jews wanted it to be so. I feel we should focus our energy on the creator of the Frankenstein Monster, or the Golem, rather than on his creations. If you eliminate the counterpart of Rabbi Ben Yehuda Loew, his Golem will collapse after him, never to return.
For myself, you can always find me in the camp of those being hated by the Jews today. I know that these must be good people. Or as Goethe said: ââ¬ÅMach mir den Teufel klein. Ein Kerrl den alle Menschen hassen, der muss was sein!ââ¬Â (Belittle the devil for me. A fellow hated by all people must have a solid character!)
Anyone hated by the Jews must have a solid character, too.
With my utmost respect, I sign, Armin Müller, Antwerp, Belgium.[/QUOTE] Very Good article.
[QUOTE]Let these Jews deal with the Frankenstein monster they created in the first place. Once these Jews leave or go extinct, the other colored immigrants will no longer be a problem to us, since all the Jewish-run propaganda, the guilt feelings, etc. will all be long gone.[/QUOTE] As Europeans we have a lot of problems with the muslim immigration, but we don't hate them. They should be our natural allie against the artificial jewish powerstructures.
[QUOTE]And Arabs hate us for one reason -support for Israel.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The american support for the Israeli apartheid state is amazing. Total brainwashing. Your christian fundamentalists makes me speachless...
2004-05-21 16:54 | User Profile
There are not that many Jews in Europe. They are not worth very much attention. The US is a different story; and we affect Europe greatly.
Calling for Jews to be 'expelled' from all Western nations is silly. Why not just call for the immediate death of all non-Aryans?
Our message is first of all a postive one: the white races are valuable, and should be multiply and flourish. When it comes to the negative side of the white racialist message, there must be a focus on immigration, the existence of anti-white thinking in academic and media culture, and the supression of pro-white thinking. Obviously, the subject of the influence of Jews has to come up, but no particular action need be advocated. Once a sufficient number of whites are alive to the threat of Jew-centered leftism, this threat will be largely neutralized -- and without a drop of blood being spilt, or a law specifically naming Jews being passed.
2004-05-21 17:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]There are not that many Jews in Europe. They are not worth very much attention. The US is a different story; and we affect Europe greatly.
Calling for Jews to be 'expelled' from all Western nations is silly. Why not just call for the immediate death of all non-Aryans?
Our message is first of all a postive one: the white races are valuable, and should be multiply and flourish. When it comes to the negative side of the white racialist message, there must be a focus on immigration, the existence of anti-white thinking in academic and media culture, and the supression of pro-white thinking. Obviously, the subject of the influence of Jews has to come up, but no particular action need be advocated. Once a sufficient number of whites are alive to the threat of Jew-centered leftism, this threat will be largely neutralized -- and without a drop of blood being spilt, or a law specifically naming Jews being passed.[/QUOTE] Are you OK?, not feeling any dizziness?
[QUOTE]Calling for Jews to be 'expelled' from all Western nations is silly. Why not just call for the immediate death of all non-Aryans?[/QUOTE] I would not mind getting the jews expelled from all western nations. It has happened many times in our history. But then you make a big leap "immediate death of all non-aryans?" What kind of gibberish is this? Has anybody in this thread advocated this? Will you be so kind and keep your projections to yourself.
2004-05-21 17:28 | User Profile
Look, moron, if you want to argue, argue, but keep your gross stupidity to yourself.
No, obviously no one has called for the death of all non-Aryans. My COMPLETELY OBVIOUS POINT was that there is not much difference in realism between calling for this, and calling for the expulsion of Jews from all Western nations.
[QUOTE=Balder]Are you OK?, not feeling any dizziness?
I would not mind getting the jews expelled from all western nations. It has happened many times in our history. But then you make a big leap "immediate death of all non-aryans?" What kind of gibberish is this? Has anybody in this thread advocated this? Will you be so kind and keep your projections to yourself.[/QUOTE]
2004-05-21 17:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]Look, moron, if you want to argue, argue, but keep your gross stupidity to yourself.
No, obviously no one has called for the death of all non-Aryans. My COMPLETELY OBVIOUS POINT was that there is not much difference in realism between calling for this, and calling for the expulsion of Jews from all Western nations.[/QUOTE] Moron... Gross stupidity... Ouch, you seem to need a lesson in netiquette. So your point is that there is not much difference between calling for expultion of jews and immediate death of all non-aryans?
Hey, you must still be feeling the dizziness. I don't think I have to go into details. I think it is obvious to every reader that there is quite a big difference.
2004-05-21 18:13 | User Profile
Yes, you have amazing etiquette -- what a hypocrite you are.
I don't think it obvious to any reader that mass expulsion of Jews from all Western nations is realistic. Using the bag of rhetorical tricks common the ADL and FPmag, you reduce my point about realism to one about an overall similiarity between expulsion and genocide. You are a very sad individual.
2004-05-21 18:35 | User Profile
The power that any person have over you is only the power that you allowed him to have over you.
Up till now the Zionist Jews have stayed away from me and my anti-Zionist signs but the day that they get to close to me it will be the day that they will be at war with me.
I am single and with no family's therefore I am open and ready for them, you are only afraid if you have something to loose, I have everything and yet I have nothing for all that I have is only material things and have no meaning for me.
2004-05-21 19:34 | User Profile
Darkstar: I have to admit that I'm getting a bit confused by your posts. Are you really what you pretend to be, a nationalist a "white supremacist" or a jewish sockpuppet?
Remember, you said without any reason, it was no difference between calling for expulsion of all jews and genocide of all non-aryans.
This is a very common among jews. When they feel threatend or loose theire arguments they bring up the holocaust.It doesn't work with me because I don't believe in the holohoax.
I said in my previous post that it is not necessary to go into details. But it seem to be. So you are saying there is no practical or realistic difference between expulsion of jews and genocide of all non-aryans?
Because this is exactly what the nazis in reality did. Expelled the jews out of the reich. They did not kill them, They expelled them. Which happened so many times before in the european history. And the jews calls this genocide.
So this "genocide of all non-aryans" is a jewish invention, a jewish illusion or jewish projection. This is not the right place to talk about "geocide of all non-aryans".
2004-05-21 23:51 | User Profile
Calling for Jews to be 'expelled' from all Western nations is silly. Why not just call for the immediate death of all non-Aryans?
Interesting comment. What does it mean? Please spell it [the meaning] out.
2004-05-21 23:53 | User Profile
and without a drop of blood being spilt, or a law specifically naming Jews being passed.
Wow. What does that mean?
[Edited slightly]
2004-05-22 00:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]There are not that many Jews in Europe. They are not worth very much attention. [/QUOTE]
Oh, but they give attention to us. A few months ago, a senior German MP (moderate liberal) named Moellemann said a few things about Israel that were not entirely positive. First he had to resign, then the authorities started to investigate his finances, and finally his parachute didnôt open for mysterious reasons, which he didnôt survive.
Somewhat later, another German MP, named Hohmann (conservative), said there is no such thing as collective guilt. He explained that, while the Jews were not collectively to be blamed for Bolshevism, nor should the Germans be collectively blamed for Nazism. Sounds tame? Well, his party had to expel him, or they would have suffered.
There may not be many Jews in Europe, but I am starting to ponder just how few are already [I]too[/I] many. :yes: