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Centinel [OP]

2003-11-07 23:08 | User Profile

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Ashcroft: We'll Keep Fighting Anti-Semitism, Terrorism

By DONNA DE LA CRUZ Associated Press Writer

November 7, 2003, 4:39 PM EST

Attorney General John Ashcroft vowed Friday that the Justice Department would continue its fight against anti-Semitism and terrorism.

"This administration believes that acts of anti-Semitism must be confronted, condemned and denounced," Ashcroft said in a keynote address at the Anti-Defamation League's national meeting.

"As history shows, verbal attacks on the Jewish people are portends of more savage criminality to come," he added.

Ashcroft credited the ADL for standing up to hatred and bigotry and urged all Americans to do the same.

"In this battle, every voice and every hand is needed to triumph over terrorism," he said. "It requires us to speak out in America for our highest values and to take our battle to the terrorists abroad."

Ashcroft touted his department's efforts at battling terrorism, saying terrorist cells across America have been dismantled. The Justice Department has charged 286 people with terrorism-related offenses, and has secured convictions or guilty pleas from 154 people.

More than $200 million of funds from organizations suspected of supporting terror has been seized and two-thirds of al-Qaida senior operatives have been captured or killed, Ashcroft told about 450 people gathered at the Plaza Hotel.

Ashcroft added that his department has not overlooked bias crimes committed against people of Middle Eastern descent. Since Sept. 11, Ashcroft said federal officials have investigated more than 525 incidents involving violence or threats of violence against people perceived to be of Middle Eastern origin.

"The Justice Department has assisted in 120 local prosecutions," he said. "And we have brought federal charges in 13 cases against 18 defendants."

Ashcroft also spoke at length about the benefits of the USA Patriot Act, passed overwhelmingly by Congress after Sept. 11. It greatly expanded the government's surveillance and detention powers, and the attorney general said without the legislation, some people indicted for terrorism-related offenses might not have been detected by officials.

Ashcroft spoke on the second day of the three-day conference, celebrating the ADL's 90th anniversary. The ADL was founded in 1913 by Chicago lawyer Sigmund Livingston, who saw a need for an organization to protect Jews from anti-Semitic acts.

Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director, praised Ashcroft and President Bush for their efforts in fighting anti-Semitism.

"We the Jewish people feel more vulnerable today than we ever have since World War II, and the world is not a welcome place," Foxman said.

On the Web:

Anti-Defamation League: [url]http://www.adl.org[/url]

MadScienceType

2003-11-07 23:20 | User Profile

Attorney General John Ashcroft vowed Friday that the Justice Department would continue its fight against anti-Semitism and terrorism.

In that order...

Centinel

2003-11-07 23:25 | User Profile

Short version: If you're an anti-Semite (as defined by Foxman), then you must be a terrorist

Robbie

2003-11-07 23:26 | User Profile

What...no fighting calico cats??

triskelion

2003-11-07 23:33 | User Profile

Given the long history of the ADL being involved in criminal acts as proven in American courts and Ashcrofts' groveling before them the story below simply proves that the rule of law is basically a myth in the states.

I was also amazed to hear that "two-thirds of al-Qaida senior operatives have been captured or killed" as that statement, in order to be true, implies that the FBI has the membership rolls of al-Qaida and the ranking of it's membership. If that were true then the final destruction of al-Qaida is just around the corner.

Of course I don't think the FBI has such a list because if they did they could publish it to verify their claims and finish rounding up what reamains of the membership with the help of the public. More obvious is that al-Qaida has no membership because it's a lose coalition of numerous groups all of whom are based upon cell strucures like all successful violent, revolutionary groups. Given that no evidence has ever produced to back up American government's claims of "victory against terrorism is just around the corner" as it's been doing for two years I see no reason to belive it now.

It should be mentioned yet again that the former head of the FBI stated publicly that they had no solid evidence about who commited the attacks on 9/11 so all this talk about al-Qaida does nothing to address the problems of terrorism being directed against the US. I'll dig up the quote shortly and post it.

If the US were against terrorism and anti-smitism it seems they'd be against the ADL (and the government they serve) which promotes terroristic policies against Arabs (who are also Semites) and they would never have never helped the Afgani Northern Alliance, the butcher General Dotsum or the Isreali government.

The same can be said about all the moralistic babble about hate crimes while the FBI totally ignores the constant and massive terror inflicted upon Occidental Americans by aliens.

Truth is, the FBI and the American government act the way they do because they are run by anti-Occidental Zionists and are little more then a sub-contractor to Isreal.

Franco

2003-11-08 00:08 | User Profile

We'll fight that evil anti-Sandwich-spread! 'Cause Amerikwa says NO to anti-lunch sentiments.

Sandwich spreads of the world, unite! Pass the mayo!

:blink:

Faust

2003-11-08 01:11 | User Profile

triskelion,

Sadly, You are most Right.

[QUOTE]Given the long history of the ADL being involved in criminal acts as proven in American courts and Ashcrofts' groveling before them the story below simply proves that the rule of law is basically a myth in the states.

. . .

The same can be said about all the moralistic babble about hate crimes while the FBI totally ignores the constant and massive terror inflicted upon Occidental Americans by aliens. [/QUOTE]

This going low even for a GOPer. Ashcroft goes on about being a Christian; yet works with one of the most anti-Christian groups in America.

triskelion

2003-11-08 03:50 | User Profile

FBI Admits: No Evidence Links 'Hijackers' to 9-11

The possibility that 19 Muslim men accused of being the Sept. 11 hijackers were not, in fact, the hijackers, is not so extraordinary an idea as it might seem.

Exclusive To American Free Press

By Michael Collins Piper

After seven months of non-stop declarations by U.S. government spokesmen that there exists solid proof tying 19 Muslim men to plotting the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, FBI Director Robert Mueller has now admitted quite the opposite.

That 19 Muslim men who have apparently disappeared have been named as the hijackers is not in doubt.

What is in doubt is whether those 19 men were actually plotting anything, either individually or together.

The amazing possibility remains that others carried out the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, using the identities of the 19 Muslims who have been assigned guilt in the tragedy.

In an April 19 speech delivered to the Common wealth Club in San Francisco, Mueller said that the purported hijackers, in his words, “left no paper trial.” The FBI director stated flatly:

"In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper—either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere—that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot."

In describing Mueller’s evidence fiasco, Los Angeles Times reporters Erich Lichtblau and Josh Meyer, whose article was reprinted in The Washington Post on April 30, note that:

"Law enforcement officials say that while they have been able to reconstruct the movements of the hijackers before the attacks—all legal except for a few speeding tickets—they have found no evidence of their actual plotting. The Times reporters acknowledge that Mueller’s comments “offer the FBI’s most comprehensive and detailed assessment to date of its investigation, remarkable as much for what investigators have not found as for what they have.”

The FBI director explained away the absence of evidence by making the disingenuous assertion that the hijackers used “meticulous planning, extraordinary secrecy and extensive knowledge of how America works” to conceal their scheme.

Mueller made this claim despite the fact that in the immediate wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, a variety of U.S. officials and media sources speciously announced, almost instantaneously, that there was firm evidence not only that these 19 Muslim men were agents of Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda “network” but that they were indeed the individuals who hijacked the doomed flights on Sept. 11. Mueller seems to forget that early government and media reports loudly hyped “discoveries”—letters and other documents—in the luggage and personal belongings of the presumed hijackers which “proved” that they were on a “mission for Allah,” etc etc.

Now Mueller’s comments seem to contradict everything that’s been said.

Texas Dissident

2003-11-08 08:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Faust]This going low even for a GOPer. Ashcroft goes on about being a Christian; yet works with one of the most anti-Christian groups in America.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that, Faust. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but to read about a so-called hard-line, Christian social conservative like Ashcroft lauding the virulent anti-Christian ADL makes my jaw drop in astonishment and only confirms how upside down and screwed up things are in this once-great Republic.

If things like this do not wake up my evangelical brethren, then I don't see any hope for revival, reformation and reclamation of our Christian republic. The stark apparent apathy of my people utterly deflates me and I'm sure many others.

Jean West

2003-11-08 11:29 | User Profile

It couldn't be clearer that our government formally links terrorism with anti-semitism and that our government's taxpayer-funded "war against terrorism" is largely and formally a war against those who hate Jews and/or those who Jews hate, no matter who they are. What a remarkable statement it is for America's Attorney General to say that a seven-year-old Jewish boy's letter suggesting the use of German Shepherds (the irony is not lost on me) [I]is a testament to our national spirit and the creativity and ingenuity[/I] and [I]"a testament to just how much our terrorist enemies underestimated the resources and resolve of the American people."[/I] JW

[url]http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/2003/agantidefamation.htm[/url]

Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Ashcroft New York, New York November 7, 2003 -- 11:00 am

(Please Note: The Attorney General Often Deviates From Prepared Remarks)

Thank you, Abe [Foxman].

It is a pleasure to be here for the 90th anniversary celebration of the founding of the Anti-Defamation League. I see U.S. Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf of New York's Eastern District and U.S. Attorney Jim Comey, the president's nominee for Deputy Attorney General. I also see Alex Acosta, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. Under Ralph Boyd and Alex Acosta, the Civil Rights Division over the past three years has set new records continually for prosecuting civil rights violations.

Since I knew I was traveling to New York, I thought I would share with you a handwritten letter my legal counselor, Chuck Rosenberg, received from his seven-year-old nephew, Scott, a native New Yorker.

Dear Chuck, To help find Osama Bin Laden you should use German Shepherds because they have great sense of smell. You will need about nine thousand of them. But to find him you should get some of his clothes and let all the dogs sniff it. Good luck. Love, Scott Weitzner

This is a nation of problem solvers. We are a people who do not shirk from moral challenge. And besides, it really isn't a bad idea.

Scott's letter is a testament to our national spirit and the creativity and ingenuity that flourish in freedom. It is a testament to just how much our terrorist enemies underestimated the resources and resolve of the American people.

We are a mighty nation when we are stirred to defend justice and to defend freedom. We are a free people willing to be guided by our highest ideals and to reflect, repent, and act to better our world.

Ninety years ago, the founders of the Anti-Defamation League dedicated themselves to the noblest ideals. They vowed to use their time, their energy, and their earnings to stand against intolerance and to stand for freedom.

Our world has changed much over the past nine decades. And free nations and free peoples have learned many hard, bitter lessons about the cost of hate.

Today, in the morning of a new millennium, we can look back on almost a century of unfathomable evil. Voices of hate rose to power in great nations and millions were murdered in the name of totalitarian creeds -- communism, fascism, National Socialism. We look back and grieve. And with the hindsight of history, we ask ourselves, "What if one more voice had spoken out against hate and taken a stand against evil? Could it have made the difference?"

We cannot pierce time to save the innocent. We can only look to the future and vow, "Never again."

Through all the bitter lessons -- and all the senseless killing -- of the 20th Century, the ADL has committed itself to reminding those who have the courage to listen what the cost of moral indecision can be.

We, in this room, are united by our commitment to the future. At the United States Department of Justice, we are dedicated to detecting, disrupting, and dismantling the networks of terror.

We are waging this war guided by the rule of law, sworn to the principles of the Constitution, and committed to the dignity and freedom of every human being.

After September 11th, Al Qaeda did not expect decisive action or resolution. The networks of terror expected America to crumble and withdraw from the world. The terrorists believed this nation would retreat when lives were threatened and liberty was attacked.

We did not retreat … and we will not retreat.

Two years later, the terrorists are on the run. Their ranks are in retreat. Their resources are dwindling. Only their hatred and lust for revenge are on the rise.

Our nation's successes speak for themselves:

And the greatest testimony to our nation's success is that there have been no terrorist attacks in two years.

The nations of Iraq and Afghanistan -- once host to regimes of unrivalled terror and hatred toward America -- are now taking the first steps toward freedom and stability.

In this war on terror, the President has led a war of decisive force and quiet success. We have fought to exemplify this nation's founding vision of liberty and the rule of law. In all our actions, we have sought to show our respect for tolerance, justice, and the dignity of every human life.

Our enemies have placed themselves on the side of oppression and domination. They have launched a campaign against innocent men, women, and children. Where they have gained power, they have extinguished political and religious freedom. Where they have ruled, they have enslaved women, strangled education, and sought to kill Americans ... whenever and wherever they can.

As the Anti-Defamation League understands all too well, we must secure our victories against terrorism in a way that is consistent with the ideals that impel us to action.

In the days following September 11th, President Bush stood before the nation, not just to condemn the savagery of terrorism, but to speak out for tolerance, for freedom of religion, and for the dignity of every life.

A nation proves its commitment to the rule of law, not by how the law treats the powerful, but how the law protects the vulnerable.

The Department of Justice has been privileged to play a critical role in providing equal protection under the law for all.

Since September 11th, the Civil Rights Division, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the United States Attorneys' offices have investigated more than 525 incidents involving violence or threats of violence against individuals perceived to be of Middle Eastern origin. The Justice Department has assisted in 120 local prosecutions. And we have brought federal charges in 13 cases against 18 defendants. Our conviction rate is 100 percent.

We have also sought to prevent future acts of terrorism through the effective and constitutional tools provided by the USA Patriot Act.

Following September 11th, Democrats and Republicans in Congress united and passed the Patriot Act with wide, bipartisan support -- a law that provides our nation with improved tools to fulfill the first responsibility of government: to preserve the life and liberties of the people.

I am sure many of you know that I spent part of my summer traveling across the country speaking about the Patriot Act, explaining what it does and does not do.

No group can better understand the challenge of overcoming and combating unfair characterizations than the Anti-Defamation League. Yet consistently that is what we have had to overcome with a law that has accomplished a great deal of good for the safety and security of our nation.

The Patriot Act does three things:

First, it closes the gaping holes in the government's ability to collect vital intelligence information on terrorist enterprises.

Second, the Patriot Act updates our anti-terrorism laws to meet the challenges of new technology and new threats.

Third, with these critical new investigative tools provided by the Patriot Act, law enforcement can share information and cooperate better with each other. From prosecutors to intelligence agents, the Patriot Act allows the forces of law enforcement to "connect the dots" and uncover terrorist plots before they are launched.

Such information sharing coupled with decisive action has already led to results.

Earlier this year, we indicted eight members of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist network -- the group responsible for murdering more than 100 innocent victims in Israel and areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority.

Among those charged was Professor Sami Amin Al-Arian, who resided in the United States. His indictment would not have been possible if intelligence could not be shared with law enforcement.

Thanks to the hard work of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, just a few weeks ago, the last two remaining defendants in custody in the Portland cell pleaded guilty:

Jeffrey Battle understood the importance of the Patriot Act. Listen to the recorded conversation between Battle and an FBI informant on May 8, 2002. In a conversation unsealed in court, Battle explained why his enterprise was not as organized as he thought it should have been (quote):

". . . because we don't have support. Everybody's scared to give up any money to help us. You know what I'm saying? Because that law that Bush wrote about, you know, supporting terrorism, whatever, the whole thing ... Everybody's scared ... He made a law that says for instance I left out of the country and I fought, right, but I wasn't able to afford a ticket but you bought my plane ticket, you gave me the money to do it… By me going and me fighting and doing what they can, by this new law, they can come and take you and put you in jail."

Just a few days ago, Iyman Faris, an Ohio truck driver, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for providing material support to Al Qaeda and for conspiring to provide the terrorist organization with information about possible U.S. targets for attack.

The Faris case shows just how law enforcement and intelligence can work hand in hand to protect national security after the PATRIOT Act. Intelligence helped us to identify and locate Faris. Law enforcement secured his cooperation, and we then brought criminal charges against him in an Article III court. In the process, Faris not only pleaded guilty, but he provided valuable information and corroborated intelligence from Al Qaeda detainees about potential terrorist operations, including some in the United States.

These are just a few examples of the outstanding work being done by our nation's justice community to save lives and protect our liberties.

All this work is done under the constant watchfulness of the judiciary and the careful oversight of Congress. That is why, for the past two years, we have consistently won the support of the American people in the war on terror.

And that is why no court has found a violation or an abuse of civil liberties in conjunction with the Patriot Act.

As the Washington Post recently reported, quote, "Sen. Dianne Feinstein . . . said that her office has received 21,434 letters opposing the act, but more than half cite provisions that have not been enacted or sent to Congress by the Bush Administration. The rest, she said, largely concern security measures governing items mailed to the United States from abroad -- not provisions of the Patriot Act. 'I have never had a single abuse of the Patriot Act reported to me,' she said . . . Feinstein said that when her office asked the ACLU for examples, 'They had none.'"

I believe we have fought this war successfully because President Bush is a leader of action guided by moral clarity. The Anti-Defamation League knows President Bush's record well. When Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad used the APEC forum to issue anti-Semitic lies, President Bush condemned him publicly.

This administration believes that acts of anti-Semitism must be confronted, condemned, and denounced. After touring Auschwitz, President Bush stated unequivocally, quote: "When we find anti-Semitism, whether it be in Europe or anywhere else, mankind must come together to fight such dark impulses." As history shows, verbal attacks on the Jewish people are portends of more savage criminality to come.

Our battle against terrorism and for freedom is not over. Our successes have only increased Al Qaeda's desperation to strike our open and free society.

This moral conflict between right and wrong, justice and injustice, good and evil is ongoing. This is a struggle in which every human being must choose sides. There are no neutral bystanders in our war against terrorism and murder.

In the coming years, as the memories and pain of September 11th recede, it is our charge to remind others of the cost of inaction and moral indecision. The ADL has proven time and again its ability to warn of the dangers to the innocent when the good and truehearted do not band together to oppose hate.

In this battle, every voice and every hand is needed to triumph over terrorism. It requires us to speak out in America for our highest values and to take our battle to the terrorists abroad.

Most importantly, this cause of our time requires us to cultivate in our hearts and our homes our dedication to justice, so the generations to come can look back and say: They did not live for themselves. They lived lives of sacrifice and toil, and they turned back the forces of darkness to let freedom flourish for those yet to come.

Thank you. And God bless America.

Smedley Butler

2003-11-10 08:06 | User Profile

To all you who have posted on this subject, it is serious, and mark's a high water mark of govt.tyranny, not seen in U.S. history.. Not the Civil War, WW 1 or WW2 is anything like this.. Yet, these S.B.'s still yell on talk radio, (I honestly do not listen to for more than ten minutes when I even bother to hear the tripe) McCarthyism, lamp shades and soap. Salt of the Earth, Joseph McCarthy NEVER attemped to or even thought of the TYRANNY that the A.D.L has perpetrated on U.S. The smallest white towns left in the U.S. has agressive emboldened Jews, who will howl and threaten to call the feral idiots for a pay check over passing out the Council of Conservative Citizens News paper, that is how bold they are now.. The POLICE are constantly told what symbols and phrase's make a citizen a supspect. What makes any one a suspect to most cops is saying anthing that is not pro N.P.R. or the Telivetz... Al Gore is all over the five minute news on the Radio today, stating Twig has gone too far and attacks our privacy etc. Gore??

Hugh Lincoln

2003-11-10 18:08 | User Profile

"As history shows, verbal attacks on the Jewish people are portends of more savage criminality to come," he added.

And what does censorship of political disscusion portend, Mr. Ashcroft?

il ragno

2003-11-10 22:39 | User Profile

[QUOTE]"This administration believes that acts of anti-Semitism must be confronted, condemned and denounced.....As history shows, verbal attacks on the Jewish people are portends of more savage criminality to come," he added.

Ashcroft credited the ADL for standing up to hatred and bigotry.... [/QUOTE]

English translation: dual citizen neo-bolsheviks are the very [I]best [/I] Americans! And even if they're not, they're calling the shots from here on out. Get ready for Phase II of Patriot-Act America and dust off your Martin Niemoller quotes.

Help me out here, since I don't recall ever voting for this mosquito to overturn the Bill of Rights. Quotes like the preceding, on the heels of his nellie panic to cover Lady Justice's plaster tits with a canvas cloth, underline why the crack-corn Christianity Ashcroft represents is a time-bomb of illogic waiting to go off that should disqualify one from holding office inthe 21st century.

But this is what you get when you hysterically demonize openly self-identifying whites and bar every door of State to them. You end up with hymn-singers who hand Israel the keys to the store while they go about the business of building and stocking gulags.

Texas Dissident

2003-11-11 00:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]You end up with hymn-singers who hand Israel the keys to the store while they go about the business of building and stocking gulags.[/QUOTE]

Don't blame this on hymn-singers, IR. Thirty-four years of livin' and I've yet to ever meet a church-goin' Christian that had anything good to say about the ADL. Even amongst your agnostic, run of the mill Pubbie, that's a bridge too far.

madrussian

2003-11-11 01:30 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Don't blame this on hymn-singers, IR. Thirty-four years of livin' and I've yet to ever meet a church-goin' Christian that had anything good to say about the ADL. Even amongst your agnostic, run of the mill Pubbie, that's a bridge too far.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. But is there something that prevents connecting the dots and finding the connection between the ADL and the zhids, without the buggage of declaring the zhids God's pets?

Texas Dissident

2003-11-11 07:16 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]Fair enough. But is there something that prevents connecting the dots and finding the connection between the ADL and the zhids, without the buggage of declaring the zhids God's pets?[/QUOTE]

Good question, mr, and one I've pondered on more than a bit. You see I'm flat-out surrounded by "jews are God's chosen" types and due to the events of the day have to present my contrarian arguments quite often. It's my observation that there's a real disconnection between beliefs about jews in jewish-run groups like the ADL and Hollywood and Israel proper. I think most hold the beliefs they do simply because that's what they were taught and learned at some point in their lives. Once you start drawing the lines and connecting the dots you can see the lightbulbs going off in their minds and they more often than not change their initial hostile reaction to one of seeming thoughtful resignation. Now whether or not this serves over the long term to change their minds for good I cannot say, but at the very least one can see how to counter and neutralize some of the more damaging aspects of the "chosen jews" mindset and belief system. But it does one well to consider the powerful force that is "conservative" talk radio and mainstream print media. "Christian" book stores like Lifesource and Grapevine are literally infected with the most pernicious dispensationalist and jewish controlled media. It's big money and we all know where one finds big money one is likely to find jews.

weisbrot

2003-11-11 13:53 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] You see I'm flat-out surrounded by "jews are God's chosen" types and due to the events of the day have to present my contrarian arguments quite often. It's my observation that there's a real disconnection between beliefs about jews in jewish-run groups like the ADL and Hollywood and Israel proper. I think most hold the beliefs they do simply because that's what they were taught and learned at some point in their lives. Once you start drawing the lines and connecting the dots you can see the lightbulbs going off in their minds and they more often than not change their initial hostile reaction to one of seeming thoughtful resignation. Now whether or not this serves over the long term to change their minds for good I cannot say, but at the very least one can see how to counter and neutralize some of the more damaging aspects of the "chosen jews" mindset and belief system.[/QUOTE]

Like many others I'm also surrounded by friends, family and church members who subscribe to the "chosen" myth. Our church bookstore- Methodist- is loaded with "Left Behind" garbage; when questioned on whether this a proper reflection of the Methodist stance on dispensationalism, the church admin staff says it's just "good Christian" writing, full of morality and faith. Little things like doctrine are swept aside. As for family, these Southern Baptists are nearly unapproachable with any ideas refuting dispensationalism and the rule of the Jew.

I would be interested in seeing developed a succinct, organized approach to confronting these specific beliefs; one that lays out the opposing views in a rational and relatively nonconfrontational fashion. Directing them to MacDonald is less than productive, and use of Sandwich-spread irony would be firing a shot way over their heads. I know the information but would be interested in discussing with other recovered dispensationalist/Southern Baptist escapees the methods, specific information and overall approach that would be likely to help friends and family begin to question.

madrussian

2003-11-11 18:59 | User Profile

Convert to something not yet corrupted by Judeo-"Christianity". No, I don't mean Islam :lol:

Craig Smith

2003-11-13 01:01 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It's my observation that there's a real disconnection between beliefs about jews in jewish-run groups like the ADL and Hollywood and Israel proper. I think most hold the beliefs they do simply because that's what they were taught and learned at some point in their lives.[/QUOTE]

Hollywood and Hallmark cards have one thing in common: they both like to moralize in very simple ways. Hollywood has to moralize the Jews and defend them, so it came up with a great legend, including the inflation of "The Holocaust" mythos to the point where it was much larger than life.

Craig Smith

2003-11-13 01:02 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]Convert to something not yet corrupted by Judeo-"Christianity". No, I don't mean Islam :lol:[/QUOTE]

Buddhism? Hinduism? Both are Indo-European religions in their original forms.