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2003-10-31 08:26 | User Profile
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The Marxist Reloaded?
By Leo K. O'Drudy, III July 18, 2003
By now, most Americans with much interest in seeing "The Matrix Reloaded" have already done so. That numbers many millions of us who have flocked into theaters to see this second of three movies, and either discussed it energetically afterwards, or quietly let its images and attitudes influence us in ways we may not fully understand.
The rest of us, with little or no interest in kung-fu action, special effects, sci-fi plot twists, and pseudo-philosophy, have given it a pass. What none of us can afford to miss, however, is this movie franchise's impact, and just what assumptions and ideas the "Matrix" series seems to be operating from and transmitting to millions of moviegoers, and on into the popular consciousness.
It's not necessary to spell out the movies' story here. What is important for everyone to understand is what is going on behind the story; to pick up what seems to be the movies' message or moral framework:
The way of life you and other quiet, decent, peaceful people live - paying your taxes, obeying the rules, showing up to work on time, helping your landlady carry out her garbage and so on - all is a sham, designed to blind you to a system of exploitation and control that is at the heart of everything and which is all that really matters. The system's rulers have imbued you with false consciousness that makes you an unwitting slave, and you must be properly "awakened" from and alienated against the system and its false morality. Anything, even what the system and its defenders call terrorism, is justified to achieve its inevitable destruction. Police officers or apparent FBI agents are tools of the system, and killing them is acceptable.
So far, seems like pretty standard Marxism, doesn't it?
Then consider further. All the major villains are white males. They created the evil system, and ruthlessly suppress anyone trying to expose the truth about the exploitation and liberate the masses.
Fighting against these evil white men and the sterile, false way of life they champion is an ideal community that has been liberated and had its consciousnesses awakened. Here, in the "real" world, the people not merely "diverse", they are overwhelmingly non-white. They do not wear business suits or work for software companies. Instead, in between work, secular "prayers", and battles, they jump up and down in the mud in their bare feet to the sound of African style drums. They are the revolutionary movement seeking to smash the evil, Western style civilization - counteracting the enemy's superior strength and firepower with small teams carrying out bold strikes such as blowing up power plants and skyscrapers.
Now this seems to go beyond standard, economics- based, orthodox Marxism, showing an influence from the newer style, cultural Marxism often called Political Correctness; which has glorified or made excuses for all anti-Western violent radicals, including al-Qaeda. Cultural Marxism goes beyond a hatred of Western Civilization, and specifically harbors a special dislike for the people who are disproportionately responsible for creating and sustaining it: white heterosexual able-boded males. Many fair-minded people are uncomfortable in examining the racial aspect of this issue, but PC's adherents are often relentless in their animus, even (or especially) if they belong to the groups that PC hates. And while PC is extremist, it is not a fringe movement; visit a typical college campus, examine a significant portion of pop culture, or even examine much of current public policy that touches on race, for example, and you will find this attitude given a harsh reality.
Now none of this, of course, is made explicit in the Matrix series, even in some of the more tedious philosophical and expository dialogue. But making a message implicit and unspoken, using images rather than words, makes it more effective, not less, helping it slip past your rational mind to influence your attitudes and emotions.
Now, would the Wachowski brothers, the men most responsible for the Matrix movies, really deliberately promote such a message? It seems unlikely, but Hollywood is a hotbed of Leftism, and there are ominous implications either way.
Either these talented and influential filmmakers are dedicated believers in neo-Marxism and have made a deliberate decision to seduce millions to this poison by glamorizing it with sleek clothes and impressive king-fu moves...
Or, they are merely making a harmless sci-fi action movie (and some double-talk to impress the college kids), and in creating a setting for a new kind of superhero, drew without conscious reflection on what today's dominant academic and media culture considers as evil (the West and those who made it and believe in it) and good (everyone else).
Either way, the values of those who hate our way of life (and many of us in the bargain) seem more and more pervasive. Let's hope we can "unplug" ourselves and our country from the "Matrix" of Political Correctness.
Leo K. O'Drudy, III has worked for the Free Congress Foundation as well as on Capitol Hill. He is now working with a DC-area political consulting firm.
2003-10-31 16:41 | User Profile
That's not what it's about at all.
The Matrix is about the cult of Armageddon. That's why you have Neo and the gang trying to save Zion. See this article for further explanation:
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=10839[/url]
2003-11-03 04:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mithras]That's not what it's about at all.
The Matrix is about the cult of Armageddon. That's why you have Neo and the gang trying to save Zion. See this article for further explanation:
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=10839[/url][/QUOTE]
right on, Mithras. This was really a dumb review, stupidity squared.
From a psychohistorical perspective, I am seeing "reloaded" as an attempt on the part of the budding cyber generation to work through whether they really have a soul. Neo is getting human, like our own Roy Batty! -- the line between virtual reality of all us avatars and those in "Zion" becomes murky as hell with the discovery that we are getting taken seriously, which is proper. On another level, there is definitely a Jewish thing going on there, also. That is to say, anti-Christian. "Trinity" is a woman; he is going to get "reborn" through "Her" -- fantasy of killing off Christ -- on the way to saving "Zion" = Jerusalem/Israel where real human blood still exists. An attempt to find a cyber-Jesus, reborn through/in/from the internet, to go with Danny Pearl, the slit-throat Jesus who died bringing us the WSJ Word. Hey! One fine Jewish boy in history deserves another, who could object to that? (Homer says.)
2003-11-03 15:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]right on, Mithras. This was really a dumb review, stupidity squared. [/QUOTE]
Well, most of the Matrix cult don't know what the movies are really about, and because no one has ever written an accurate review then the interpretation is different for every person. But when one examines it with Judaism and the doomsday cult in mind then one can find the intended meanings.
There is Neo, who is the "New" Messiah of the Jews. (Right now their messiah is in the form of the neocons.) And this Neo turns out to be a glitch in the system. He is trying to save Zion from destruction and yet he is the one who caused the disease which is responsible for the War and his own downfall in the first place.
Then there are the machines, and in all of the programs the goy are likened to lemmings. But Neo is just another program as well. He fouls up 5 runs of the Matrix and on the sixth he "turns to love". Five is symbolic to the perfect man, six is symbolic of the hexegram, the universe, but also the jewish star.
Now is the revolution, which destroys Israel and fulfills the "prophecy" thus making way for the new world or Jew/New World Order.
The movies should have been a comedy. It's when you find out that it's really happening that it becomes bothersome.
Matrix is a tool used to brainwash lemmings into sympathizing with Israel's Doomsday Cult.
2003-11-03 16:08 | User Profile
"Matrix is a tool used to brainwash lemmings into sympathizing with Israel's Doomsday Cult."
Yes. Even more: the fantasy gimmick of having beings with extraordinary "powers" pop in and out of the real world from computer programs is a perfect come-on to backfilling a lying reality, the inverse of stuffing people's histories down 1984 mem-holes
I find this related to "Muhammed and Malvo", whom one must regard as having been "programmed" onto the scene AFTER the Tarot card shooting of the 13 yr. old kid to cover up: Ari Fleisher's "For the price of one bullet" schtick, overtones of Iraqi preemptive revenge. The producer of that awful USA channel TV movie, which was clearly designed to fill in the huge gaps in the case -- two black Muslim converts, an evil father masterminding an evil son to shoot Americans in the back to extort $'s from the US Government, at a time when George W. Bush's Republican party activist psychopaths needed to pin down the anti-war Dems? -- was a Jewish woman, Orly Adelson, who said she made it to show how US and and Israel are similarly vulnerable. "To realize what they did and how easy it was (!! - the experts were saying it took a high degree of precision; and somebody, not them, was monitoring the whole deal and interacting with both sides), that makes us all vulnerable. Growing up in Isreal, we grow up with being vulnerable." (Washington Post TVWeek, 10.12-18)
Matrix heads see all that as the normal course of things. Along with the farcical trial, feeding the jury sop, sympathy and non-evidence planted by ATF. They will kill anything. Came on the scene right after the Tarot card shooting to take over. All communications came through them, and a few others, such as the Catholic Priest.
2003-11-03 16:21 | User Profile
I watched "Matrix Reloaded" and I barely got through it. It was absolutely terrible, unlike the first Matrix which was very good and thought provoking. The multi-cultural aspect really drained me in Reloaded, with all the nigraz in this movie and their pathetic speech patterns and crummy acting, I thought it should have been named "The Ghetto Matrix" or "Black Knows Better". Also that female lead "Trinity" was a dyke-feminist character right out of the Feminist Manifesto. The androgynous Neo and Trinity looked like two women or two men making out. That was for programming the younger generation into accepting homosexual behavior or androgynous looks as cool and desirable. Also the fight sequences are really stupid looking in this film as compared to Matrix I. I found them to be quite boring. Obviously there is definitely some kind of Marxist/Jewish/Zionist propaganda within the Matrix Reloaded so I'm not going to see "Matrix Revolutions" when it hits the theaters or video/dvd. I'll just read the reviews on OD or VNN.
2003-11-03 17:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Obviously there is definitely some kind of Marxist/Jewish/Zionist propaganda within the Matrix Reloaded [/QUOTE]
You're probally closer to the truth than you realize! Consider this review of the Matrix(the first one) done by the Maoist Internationalist Movement. Although you have to get pass the PC womyn and humyn crap. I'm suprised they actually complain about the fact that Morphesus is Black!
** [url]http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/movies/review.php?f=long/matrix.txt[/url]
Matrix helps demonstrate materialism and dialectics The Matrix 1999 reviewed by MC5
See also our review of "Matrix Re-Loaded"
Larry and Andy Wachowski have directed a Hollywood film of tremendous value -- [u]a great gift to the revolutionary movement on par with that of Reds[/u] politically and done artistically as well as can be with special effects. [u]This is not a "B" grade indoctrination and it touches on many important areas of revolutionary thought.[/u]
The Excite search engine review says the following before linking to the official Hollywood "The Matrix" web site, (which by the way is a waste of time because of programming errors nearly inevitable in trying to present as many graphics as a movie): "In the near future, a computer hacker named Neo (Keanu Reeves) discovers that all life on Earth may be nothing more than an elaborate facade created by a malevolent cyber-intelligence, for the purpose of placating us while our life essence is 'farmed' to fuel the Matrix's campaign of domination in the 'real' world. He joins like- minded Rebel warriors Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) and Trinity (Carrie Ann Moss) in their struggle to overthrow the Matrix."
Dialectics
After the year 2000 breakthroughs in artificial intelligence resulted in the creation of mechanical beings that eventually took over the world in a series of wars. The war was so brutal that the humyns do not even know exactly how it started or proceeded by the time we come upon the humyn heroes of the movie.
The humyn resistance thus faces two dialectical truths: 1) It must struggle to know its own history or be kept in the dark by the oppressor. 2) Moments of triumph like the application of artificial intelligence give rise to unexpected destruction and change.
The process of unexpected birth of change is almost the definition of dialectics.
Mode of production
Humyn-beings both dead and alive are tended by machines in gigantic mechanical farms where they are used as batteries for the various kinds of heat and electricity that they produce. 99 percent of humyns are farmed this way, while a few escape and join the resistance.
The new "battery mode of production" has elements similar to slavery and capitalism. Because the machines keep the humyns physically constrained there is an element of slavery. The difference with both slavery and capitalism is that the humyns no longer labor. They are sustained and tended by the machines of the Matrix and just by existing feed their energy to their masters with artificial intelligence. The fact that the humyns do not even know they are slaves is part of the superstructure created by capitalism just before the Matrix took over.
In fact, the Matrix has worked on perfecting the mind control of humyns. Neo becomes aware of the Matrix at least partly through being a hacker, and someone interested in entertainment programs as drugs. It becomes difficult to separate computer game simulations from drugs because the programs become biologically integrated into humyns.
While they sit in these farms under the influence of drugs and other biological influences, the humyns are mechanically fed through tubes into their bodies all the sensations of being in Amerika of 1999. Hence, the 99 percent of humyns are complacent and unaware of their physical captivity in the 22nd century. Usually they attack the resistance trying to save them. The Matrix knows exactly scientifically how to produce the dream-state stupor of the masses through the use of computer programming.
Not idealism
Philosophers focussing on dream-states are often what we Marxists call "idealists." However, "The Matrix" is not saying that life is all a dream.
Rather in the future, science has advanced to the point where it becomes more and more possible to simulate dreams. First there are computer games. Then there are simulations and holograms. Finally, computer programs develop where they can deliver the electrical and chemical stimulation to the brain directly to create a dream state or receptivity to education or any other function of the brain. The heroes simply insert computer programs into the back of their necks for edification or entertainment.
The trippy "Alice in Wonderland" aspects of the movie make it the stuff of Hollywood, but the script-writer turned it into a bold stroke of materialism. Not only does the script- writer uphold materialism as the existence of an external world independent of the subject (humyn mind), but also the script-writer shows us how science will conquer and make everything knowable including dreams.
Not anarchist individualism
Usually activists and cultural workers focussing on "mind control" are anarchist individualists. At the beginning, Neo is a prime candidate for anarchist individualist. When he gets into trouble, the organized, hierarchical resistance saves him -- right down to telling him how to escape police step by step.
Finally he gets to meet the resistance, but when he does, the resistance holds a gun to his head and asks him to take off his shirt. The resistance is correct that it must go to extreme measures to protect itself. Indeed, Neo turns out to be bugged, so the resistance has to remove the device. All of this seems highly coercive to unconscious anarchist individualist Neo--partly from what he does not know about the war of liberation going on.
Hence, Neo nearly makes the anarchist individualist mistake of ending the meeting with the resistance. When he gets out of the car to leave, Trinity tells him he does not want to do that because he knows where that "road goes."
Neo gets back in the car and he finally meets the military leader of a unit of the resistance. Morpheus tells Neo he can learn the truth, which only gets deeper and deeper and is not necessarily pleasant at all or he can leave "and go on believing whatever you want to believe." The choice is simple: truth or anarchist stupor. Neo had to give up on the idea that he is in control as an individual and accept that he might not be.
The moment of truth comes when Neo finally understands that he is a battery in a farm controlled by a computer program. When he learns this he moves to attack Morpheus, the messenger that told him no, Neo was never in control as an individual. Neo gets unplugged from the computer program where he learned the truth and we get the sense that he would have killed everyone in that unit of the resistance if he hadn't fallen unconscious first.
MIM recognized this moment. Unfortunately, more often than not MIM is unsuccessful at that moment. Most imperialist country people refuse to accept science, the notion of materialism and the idea that the individual is not free. They violently and irrationally attack the messenger and cling to pre-political lifestyle moralism.
Morpheus's resistance is better than MIM's, because once the recruit accepts the pursuit of truth, Morpheus can show people mechanically how their brains work. It becomes a matter more like learning to drive a car than one of years of study.
Not only is there military hierarchy in the resistance, but a traitor arises within the resistance who blames Morpheus for teaching him the truth and who says he's still not free because he only follows Morpheus's orders. The anarchist- individualist sells out to the Matrix for steak, wine and a future computer program where he is famous and wealthy. Thus after achieving a relatively high level of scientific consciousness, the traitor says he is "tired" and actually kills his one-time compatriots before being killed before he could be re-absorbed by the Matrix.
Drawbacks
There are a few drawbacks to this film. It has the mandatory Hollywood minimum of violence. The violence is righteous, but of course even the perfect film will be misconstrued in the current capitalist context. The choreographing of violence to music makes it more akin to dance.
Morpheus is Black and the "Oracle" who predicts the future is a Black womyn, but there is a slight incongruity in speaking of an "Oracle" and "fate" when it is clear that science has advanced so far. Fate should not be used as a metaphor for forces beyond individual control.
Romance is kept down to a minimum, but the film ends with a classic (and borrowed) heterosexual charge. The last fight scene is as a result the most trippy of all, but we do not believe the romance or the superpowers involved in the last fight will overshadow the step-by-step progression in science that people went through in the movie up to that point. If there is a sequel, we may learn even more about what happened, so that the viewers are left with no mystical residues.
[u]On the whole, MIM could not have asked for more in a two and a half hour Hollywood movie. We can use the movie to educate people about dialectics, modes of production, Lenin's book "Materialism and Empirio-Criticism" and the drawbacks of anarchism and individualism.[/u]**
Although their review for "Reloaded" is not as positive. [url]http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/movies/long/matrixreloaded.html[/url]
The stupidest remark being ** The MIM has said that to avoid cultural vacuum the dictatorship of the proletariat will not ban all bourgeois art immediately. But even if the MIM had adopted a more radical line and decided to yell "CUT!" and censor everything that is reactionary, The Matrix series would probably survive, [u]though perhaps we would ask the producer to rename "Zion" "Leningrad."[/u]**
:lol: Is there no end to Leftist stupidity?
2003-11-03 17:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Although their review for "Reloaded" is not as positive. [url]http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/movies/long/matrixreloaded.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
Look at this, from one of the reds who wrote in their comments about the review on that site:
[QUOTE]Cinematographically it is not so good, except to note that the inhabitants of "Zion" -- the humans willing to free themselves from lies and oppression -- are, like the real world, majority non-white.[/QUOTE]
And:
[QUOTE]The film shows a largely non-white oppressed class offering resistance to a ruthless white society.[/QUOTE]
These quotes are from a supposed antizionist. The non-whites who this red is referring to were the Zionists.
So, obviously, there is no end to the stupidity om the left!
2003-11-03 21:35 | User Profile
Color me unimpressed.
The Matrix movies are so overloaded with references to contintental "postmodern" philosophy, gnosticism, buddhism, Christianity, and various kinds of mysticism, that absolutely anyone, of any political or religious persuasion, could cherry pick pieces of these movies and make an argument for or against any political or religious point of view.
So, you guys have worked out that these movies are some nefarious plot by Jews. Maybe so. Maybe on the other hand it's just a barbarous mishmash of New Age cyber mumbo jumbo, designed to make money whilest appearing to be "profound".
That said, the first Matrix movie was good, the second very disappointing, and the third remains to be seen. My impressions of the second movie was that the first half was spent pandering to the "mud people" crowd, whilst the the second half, apart from the action, had a lot of very high level "philosophizing" and metaphysics that had the 'groids and other muds bored and restless.
Not that most whites understood it either. I saw the movie with three or four other very well educated whites, and not one of them had ever heard of the Merovingians (after whom one of the characters is named), or their connection to the Holy Grail, "the blood of Jesus Christ" and the whole mythology that has been built up about them.
Bottom line: they are just movies. If there is a "bad" message in them, it is at such a high, obfuscated level that no one knows what it is. Hardly the biggest danger we face from the Jewish media, methinks.
2003-11-03 22:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Color me unimpressed. [/QUOTE]
You must be a Matrix fan. That must've made you spit! :osama: :saddam:
2003-11-03 22:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mithras]You must be a Matrix fan. That must've made you spit! :osama: :saddam:[/QUOTE] Not at all. I enjoyed the first movie, but that hardly makes me a "Matrix fan". I just happen to find your "analysis" a bit overwrought. One could cut and paste just about anything from the Matrix movies to "prove" just about anything. So, I'm not impressed that you proceeded to do precisely that. I've read plenty of anti-Matrix reviews I've agreed with; they just didn't go out on a limb assuming that they "knew" what the movie makers were up to.
2003-11-04 00:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Not at all. I enjoyed the first movie, but that hardly makes me a "Matrix fan". I just happen to find your "analysis" a bit overwrought. One could cut and paste just about anything from the Matrix movies to "prove" just about anything. So, I'm not impressed that you proceeded to do precisely that. I've read plenty of anti-Matrix reviews I've agreed with; they just didn't go out on a limb assuming that they "knew" what the movie makers were up to.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so numb to hollywood as to think that film makers don't create movies with an agenda or meaning lifted from reality. Everyone knows that hollywood is dominated by Jews. If you looked at the Matrix again with an open mind, and you had an understanding of the doomsday cult, you would see that everything falls into place along those lines. There is no "cut and paste". Everything that Neocon Bush does as president is based on the doomsday cult. You're telling me that there can't be and there aren't any movies promoting the Zionist Doomsday Cult? The government's and the intelligence agenies' alliance with hollywood has existed for decades. Surely you understand this? Everything that happens just doesn't happen "by strange coincidence"!!! Of course there is a conspiracy with planing, plotting, scheming, and coordinated efforts. Does it make one crazy to realize this?
2003-11-04 08:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mithras]I'm not so numb to hollywood as to think that film makers don't create movies with an agenda or meaning lifted from reality. Everyone knows that hollywood is dominated by Jews. If you looked at the Matrix again with an open mind, and you had an understanding of the doomsday cult, you would see that everything falls into place along those lines. There is no "cut and paste". Everything that Neocon Bush does as president is based on the doomsday cult. You're telling me that there can't be and there aren't any movies promoting the Zionist Doomsday Cult? The government's and the intelligence agenies' alliance with hollywood has existed for decades. Surely you understand this? Everything that happens just doesn't happen "by strange coincidence"!!! Of course there is a conspiracy with planing, plotting, scheming, and coordinated efforts. Does it make one crazy to realize this?[/QUOTE] Your on target in this post, it is no joke, as filthy hooey weird has their finger's deeply in to the District of Criminals now.
2003-11-04 13:09 | User Profile
The Matrix is stylized anti-White hate brainwashing for multicults and wigger doormats. If ever there was an obvious example of Jewish Hate in mass-consciousness programing it is the Matrix movies.
The Matrix = Jewish :dung:
2003-11-04 16:45 | User Profile
I shouldn't have written in my first reply that the review is all wrong, but just that it leaves a great deal out.
In examining the first Matrix it becomes clear that the movie is centered on the One who first freed a human from the matrix. The rebels await the return of the Messiah, an idea which is indeed based on the second coming of Christ. The Oracle however tells Neo that he canââ¬â¢t be the One because heââ¬â¢s waiting for something. This is because the second coming is not supposed to occur until after the invasion of Israel or so the "official version" claims.
The theme of the beginning of the movie in which we learn that earth has become destroyed in a war between AI and humans is simply a false construct in order to set the plot in the Matrix. Although it does have a sort of transhumanist theme to it. Also, it reflects the Jewish point of view that humans have become evil and only Zionist Jews are ââ¬Åaliveââ¬Â or ââ¬Åpureââ¬Â.
The Agents who are ââ¬Åsentientââ¬Â beings are guardians who protect against the Jews/Reds. These then would be Nazis, Patriots, anti-semites, etc. or basically anyone who discovers the plot of the conspiracy.
Morpheus whose goal is to free minds from the matrix and to kill the agents is close to Karl Marx in representation of Marxism. He promises to ââ¬Åfree the slavesââ¬Â only to transport them into a world of his own construct which is so void of everything. For the matrix, you see, isnââ¬â¢t real. It is simply a delusion which these Zionists are having. The situation is closer to what the Talmud teaches in that the Jews are superior and the goy are dirty animals, yet in this case, the Zionists are ââ¬Åawakened humansââ¬Â and the goy are computer programs who can become agents. For then, in the second movie, we find out that even Neo and Morpheus, etc., are programs who have simply ââ¬Åhacked the system.ââ¬Â
The idea of the matrix is significant only in that it represents a potential perfect world. Thus the movie is driven by two points of view. To achieve this perfect world, if you are an agent, Zion must be destroyed, or if you are a Zionist, the agents and sentinels who keep the system running must be destroyed, and everyone must be ââ¬Åfreedââ¬Â or ââ¬Åawakenedââ¬Â which is simply a lie for Marxism to achieve power. And the ultimate goal of Marxism, as Hitler once wrote, is to deliver the world into the hands of the Jews.
Thus Morpheus has the codes to Zionââ¬â¢s mainframe. That is, Marxism (and the doomsday prophecy) is merely this tool to break the Gentiles into serving Jews. If people realized this it would mean the end of the Jews.
Matrix reloaded on the other hand is mostly about the so-called prophecy.
2003-11-05 12:24 | User Profile
These discussions have been so astounding in quality, acuity, breadth and depth it has become an obsession to try to respond. The critical verdict must be mtlhd and greppers; Mithras sees Matrix 1 and 2 more of a philosophical tapestry, as does the Maoist International Movement's reviews (thank you, PreRun). And, by their prodding, so do I -- having more or less written them off as more special effects for nerds.
A few thoughts.
1. My post-Ph.D thesis on Post-Modernism would be a commentary on this quote from Mithras:
"If you are Zionist, the agents and sentinels who keep the system running must be destroyed, and everyone must be "freed" or "awakened" which is simply a lie for Marxism to achieve power. And the ultimate goal of Marxism, as Hitler once wrote, is to deliver the world into the hands of the Jews."
Following Sign-use, this summary gives away Zion, as part of Christianity's heritage (the New Jerusalem of Revelations -- something pre-figured in the disciples' inner state as a result of original personal contact) to the Jews, and Christian fusionists.
It also gives away what freedom and New World meant, and should still mean, in America, to "Marxism", whatever that is. If it's for smashing Ronald Reagan capitalism (=Hollywood Jew, = Tarot card killer-rulers of Washington District of Criminality), I am Marxistm, leftist, communist, Red, died in thje wool. When we get mother Russia back, it won't be possible to have humanitarian leniency as was shown by Joseph Stalin. They will have to vacate earth, Asia-wise.
I think I've learned a lot from reading Hitler. He should be required in public schools, along with Jesus. Screw the 10 commandments.
2. MIM's claim is the Matrix movies are usefuil in teaching a. what is dialectic; b. "materialism"
b. "Materialism", as it was used by Marx, following Hegel's metaphysical Idealism (The World is Will and Idea) is really, but really, behemothian in talking about minds as computer programs. Isn't it. (Let all American Right-ists say Amen, and try not to piddle on themselves doing it, as Ronald Reagan was noted for accomplishing at the drop of a Peggy Noonan.) The Wyscknowskiis have moved the discussion a few light years beyond that, but "Maoists", one supposes (I am a Texas Maost, when it comes to the farmland on the great high plains, raped and killed by Reaganite Hollywood piddle diddlers. ((I try to get out as much hate as possible, the only way I have of showing true love of both the Masters, since these people who would shoot Americans in the back and poison liberals with Anthrax in order to, as they call it, "win elections", thrive on hate -- it feeds what the are, and they require a fix of it from the remaining true human batteries in order to continue existing, as I thought John Anton Wilson has explained in the Illuminatus trilogy. Now, there's some fancy fiction f'r youse.))) ...Maoists are trying to get indto the third millenium by skipping two centures.
b. "Dialectic" is false (rapidly tending to stupidity) objectification of Jungian psychological opposites. Those who pursue it, as a thought form, inevitably fall into Archetypal patterns. (Guess I'm an "anarchist individualist", in MIM terms.) The dogmatically dualized mind, like Bush's, externalizes itself on reality, then, of course, expects it to respond in kind. Which it does, with interest, through what Freud called The Return of the Repressed. (Tarot card Christians -- "Now, remember, The Death Card, number 13, doesn't mean REAL death! This was the Egyptian's way, if perverted, of anticipating the Savior of Mankind, Jesus himself!" -- another gig for the Swaggartoonies to wheedle in Jewishness of soul. See how it all fits? Squinty Pat called it "the Southern Strategy for the Re-Pube-likkun party.)
However, as Marshal McLuhen ineluctably divined, in his truncated, totally empty-headed way, there is something metaphysical about the thesis-antithesis, action reaction schema when applied to human psychology through packaging of sign-use in communication. That goes as deep as it is, when electric technology came along. That is because "we" are, as Tim Leary said, a flux of brain impulses, if taken in these terms. Here is where past metaphysical systems are left in the lurch. It's the philosophical problem left by the causal theory of perception, which Kant only partially worked through, giving us the notion of a Synthetic Unity of Apperception, apriori -- plus NOW, with the learning of fetal psychology, and pre-textual imprints (fantasy-templates organizing S* (for "sign-use) Tokens, a clue for actual mind-control IN PROCESS AS WE SPEAK!. This is what both MIM and Reakanooskiis, brothers-under-the-skin, take advantage of to kill the spirit, as Mithras did in his otherwise unsurpassably brilliant comment. The moment of true freedom and "waking up", which is a real experience, must not be dealt with as a trick of "Marxism" -- though it can be that. In the end, Mithras AND Marxism ARE Matrix. But think of all the Reality they represent!
2003-11-05 13:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]Mithras sees Matrix 1 and 2 more of a philosophical tapestry, as does the Maoist International Movement's reviews (thank you, PreRun).[/QUOTE]
I think you meant Perun! :drool:
2003-11-05 14:14 | User Profile
Matrix = White Bad Colored Good
White is not just bad, it is transcendently evil.
These movies demonize White people literally. All the other pseudo symbology with the neos and the zions is just so much window dressing. The message is simple social Stalinism: The obstacle in the way of universal revolution and civil paradise is White people.
I am happy that the last two flopped one worse than the other, although that is small consolation in the face of the enormous insult that the movies were ever made to begin with. With friends like Hollywood who needs Al Queda?
2003-11-05 14:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]I think you meant Perun! :drool:[/QUOTE]
right.
I'm with Bermuda.
2003-11-05 16:06 | User Profile
Note also, TA, how Marxism views the people as slaves that only provide work to better the elite. Well, this is in some ways true, but it also insults the very fabric of our being. Then we see the Marxist answer to the class warfare which they created, is to raise taxes and make us into ever more the slave! And where does this tax money go but to the third world and israel.
In the movie, the humans were harvested in order to provide the AI-robots with energy to live. I think the use of "Artificial Intelligence" or machines here hints at that the present order of things is "artificial" and if everything is fake then the reds can make up their own lies and create a new order. But that is the whole problem. The real order was not based on lies. The Marxist order is.
2003-11-05 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mithras]Note also, TA, how Marxism views the people as slaves that only provide work to better the elite. Well, this is in some ways true, but it also insults the very fabric of our being. Then we see the Marxist answer to the class warfare which they created, is to raise taxes and make us into ever more the slave! And where does this tax money go but to the third world and israel.
In the movie, the humans were harvested in order to provide the AI-robots with energy to live. I think the use of "Artificial Intelligence" or machines here hints at that the present order of things is "artificial" and if everything is fake then the reds can make up their own lies and create a new order. But that is the whole problem. The real order was not based on lies. The Marxist order is.[/QUOTE]
What I am warning aganst is reality-inversion by means of sign-use, made possible by the distinction between Text and Token (each [B]S[/B] exemplifies both, in the actual occassion of communicating). The Text of a sign-use, S, is read by one 'mind', or set of psychic processes connected to hippocampal memory. The empirical Token is taken in and pre-cognitively formatted by the older, dream-related anatomical preparation connected with amygdalan memory. These are the two internal bases of sign-use processing ubiquitous in communication, I hold. My objection to use of "Marxism" is that it has become all Token, no Text, therefore not available for serious predication, except through the mostly unconsciously intended (amygdalan mem response) connection with Hollywood Reaganized Jewishness. Some may see a distinction; I must confess that I do not. Reagan is the ultimate tool of "leftist" in the falsely narrowed world of MIM.
Speaking of which, isn't this where "Maoist" materialism intersects Matrix? -- the false metaphysics that rejects "dream state reality" (=inclusion of the lower-level, birth-trauma-shielded states as part of humanity's whole, partly defining what "God's image" means, in English usage (not "G-d", in YHWH-ean usage)) -- leaves us permanently split-off, as spiritual/mind/body beings (all three included)? But the correct view of reality does not?
Also, I think we are agreeing with MIM that the present two-party system is, in fact, imposing choices entirely unrelated to "freedom" in the human sense, offering stones for bread to Third World people.
Bardarmu's comments seemed sharply appropriate, but wongly dismissive of the actual symbolic/reality content being worked through. I am sticking with the notion that they are trying to steal Zion. The Holy Grail is Jerusalem for Eretz Yosrael. That is the fundamental manipulation I am devoted to stopping, and economic theory is mostly a red herring, though it will come down to that later. I am with WN, AN, NS, and others where they overlap with America. That's Zion to me.
Winston.
2003-11-05 20:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]What I am warning aganst is reality-inversion by means of sign-use, made possible by the distinction between Text and Token [/QUOTE]
So noted, but I am telling you how that came about. Marxism was never about content. It was started as a means of destroying the old natural order of race, nation, culture, identity, family, religion, etc., and a transferring of the public of smart, superior, moral men into a slave-race for the jews. Everything Marxism is based on is a lie. This is the reason that the reds claim that what we believe in (i.e., race, nation, etc.) are lies or "fantasies" which are now "obsolete". Once they destroy the old order then they can promote their own lies of a multiracial "workers' paradise."
2003-11-05 21:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mithras]I'm not so numb to hollywood as to think that film makers don't create movies with an agenda or meaning lifted from reality. Everyone knows that hollywood is dominated by Jews. If you looked at the Matrix again with an open mind, and you had an understanding of the doomsday cult, you would see that everything falls into place along those lines. There is no "cut and paste". Everything that Neocon Bush does as president is based on the doomsday cult. You're telling me that there can't be and there aren't any movies promoting the Zionist Doomsday Cult? The government's and the intelligence agenies' alliance with hollywood has existed for decades. Surely you understand this? Everything that happens just doesn't happen "by strange coincidence"!!! Of course there is a conspiracy with planing, plotting, scheming, and coordinated efforts. Does it make one crazy to realize this?[/QUOTE]Yes. Not literally, just that what you have stated is a perfect example of religious or ideological lunacy - trying to read a meaning into everything. And since there are a lot of interesting things in these movies that your review has not caught on to, that appears to be passing you by unnoticed, I suggest that maybe you are fixated on your theory to the exclusion of other points of view and interpretations.
And given the absolute mess that the second and third movies of this series have turned out to be, there's more truth to "cut and paste" than you want to admit. A deliberate attempt to implant the themes you are alleging would have made for a far more coherent and focused films two and three. Instead we get third rate Buddhist and Gnostic theorizing intercut with special effects saturated action scenes. The only deliberate message these two weirdo brothers are sending are "gee, aint we profound" and "where's our money?".
2003-11-06 02:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE 1. Marxism was never about content... 2.It was started as a means of destroying the old natural order of race, nation, culture, identity, family, religion, etc., and a transferring of the public of smart, superior, moral men into a slave-race for the jews. 3. Everything Marxism is based on is a lie. [/QUOTE] 1. Yes, it was. I agree with some of it, because if you leave running things up to Enronooskies, cream of white jewish Houston minds in gentile bodies, you get what those employees got. Privitization of life by assholes. The follows of Kark Marx (who himself became an "anti-semite") figgured that out, and no one with any sense could question it, IMHO. I't doesn't take a dialectician. I hate bastards like that Skelling and Lay. 2. "...started..."? No, that is retro-reading. Ideas that powerful aren't spread by manipulation. Nor, similarly, did the Enlightenment come into existence to "destroy the Catholic Church." That would also be retroreading -- not that anyone does it. I agree with how you see the outcome, though. Due to Hollywood Reagan Re-Pube-likkuns and Old Adam Shulamite soul mentality of Las Vagas Tarot card conservatives. 3. That's absurd. Those who do the work get the say, as far as I am concerned. How does that spill over to undermining any natural order? It IS the natural order, and it will come back because this neocon crew has killed America's old right wing. The new one will kick out their jams and restore Maoism on the plains. 14 year olds will be given guns, like the Khmer Rouge kids, and everyone over 50 (baby boomers and their Yuppie kids who made money off America in the 80's) who suipporsted Ronald Reagan and the Bushes will be given the choice of slave camps or death. The actual death camps, themselves, will be called CLONEJESUS.org.
2003-11-06 15:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Yes. Not literally, just that what you have stated is a perfect example of religious or ideological lunacy - trying to read a meaning into everything. And since there are a lot of interesting things in these movies that your review has not caught on to, that appears to be passing you by unnoticed, I suggest that maybe you are fixated on your theory to the exclusion of other points of view and interpretations. [/QUOTE]
And what are these interesting things I missed?
For you to suggest that there are any religious truths contained in this movie is an insult to those religions.
2003-11-07 05:28 | User Profile
Religious and Philosophical truths in* the Matrix Matrix (non-Marxist)
(*in = illustrated by)
The actual Zion (=America; the one Don McClean remembers, remember) was spoiled by the very ones (Zionista naziis) who suddenly wake up to find themselves programmed into a killing machine that maintains itself, energy-wise, through their biological processes. (Let Neo = Toddbrendanfehay, for example)
The Awakened one, doesn't know whether you have to be THE one, (who he later learns is a trck, anyway), in order to be One (who realizes their brain is pre-programmed, and its virtual-reality choices do not present options challenging acts of human freedom, exercize of which, if made correctly, lead to psychological development and which, if not, dooms the empty, if still sentient skull to cycles of low-level repetitions, but imposed time-filling entertainment schedules). So he joins a resistance cult - us.
If the cult doesn't work out -- watch out for Neo's backlash -- the paths of System sell-outs, lone-wolf "anarchist individualists" (useless libertarians), and Maoists (global neocons) open up.
Morpheus, properly whitened, is the composit of Joe Sobran and Sam Francis. Add both together as the inner struggle of American conservativism's dark side (light, actually, after the Great Reversal the New Zion brings), and you've got a hell of a soul going there (MAD MEN FOR MARRS! -- GO! ) (MIDDLE AMERICA RADICAL REVOLUTIONARIES....)
The Source is anti-Hegelianism, in all forms. Hegelianism is a Jewish trick to get people to think dialectically, thus setting up Maoist pre-programming. "Idealism" isn't the alternative to either "materialism" or "atheism", or anythnig else, really. It is part of a philosophical mind-control meta-language imported from the post-Hegelian Eurosmut tradition, by american Philosluts, mostly in the East coast universities, wherever the Vietnam war was used by jewish moral-religious entrepreneurs to capitalize on Christ. (Anything "post-modern" is Hegelian -- not that some things from the old classical tradition did not come to an end in the 20th century. Dialectical thinking, going over directly into agit-prop poll-politics, should have been one of them.)