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2003-10-31 03:14 | User Profile
From The Moscow Times, available online at: [url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/10/31/011.html[/url]
Friday, Oct. 31, 2003. Page 3
U.S. Hawk Wants Russia Out of G-8
By Simon Saradzhyan Staff Writer
Richard Perle, a hawkish policy adviser whose voice is heard in the Pentagon, has called for Russia to be expelled from the Group of Eight industrialized countries over the arrest of Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
"Russia should be excluded from the G-8. No [other] G-8 country is allowed to treat its leading businessmen the way Russia treated Khodorkovsky," Perle was quoted as saying in Russian translation in the Thursday issue of Kommersant. "I believe Russia is moving fast in the wrong direction."
Perle, who believes that the White House should contain the Kremlin rather than cooperate with it, has criticized the campaign against Yukos shareholders from the beginning.
"It's possible already to say that real damage is being done to the prospects for future Russian economic growth and development by what appears to be an arbitrary, capricious and vindictive campaign against a private company," he said during a Moscow seminar in July after the arrest of Yukos shareholder Platon Lebedev.
Although he resigned as chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, Perle retains strong influence on U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and is one of the leaders of the neo-conservative camp in Washington.
The influence of this camp on President George W. Bush has waned somewhat, but it is still strong when it comes to shaping U.S. defense policy, according to Alexander Pikayev, a military specialist at the Carnegie Moscow Center. The conservatives, however, can do little to influence Washington's relations with Russia, according to both Pikayev and Ivan Safranchuk, Moscow representative of the Washington-based Center for Defense Information.
Thus, Perle's appeal alone to exclude Russia from the G-8 will probably have little practical impact on the Bush administration's policy toward Russia, the experts said. However, it may set off a new round of criticism of President Vladimir Putin's domestic policies in the U.S. Congress, Safranchuk said.
Perle may be using the Yukos affair to push his vision of foreign policy that would contain Russia rather than elevate it to the status of a strategic partner, Safranchuk said.
"One player cannot have full control of such a game," he said, referring to those carrying out the attack on Yukos. "Other players start spinning this affair to advance their interests."
Perle also criticized the campaign in Chechnya and said he hoped that Russian oil companies would be denied contracts in postwar Iraq. He said the White House should be under no illusions that the Kremlin will help to end alleged development of nuclear weapons by Iran.
Perle was forced to step down as chairman of the Defense Policy Board last spring because of a potential conflict of interest between his duties on the Pentagon board and his defense-related business activities. He remained a board member.
He is not known to have any business ties with Yukos, Safranchuk said.
2003-10-31 03:37 | User Profile
Let's see.....uhhhhhh....nope, I can't think of why Perle would go to bat for Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
[giggle]
Maybe they are both.....uhhh......Catholic!
2003-10-31 06:24 | User Profile
The only thing I have to say to Perle is to F*CK OFF!!!!!!!!!!
What Russia does in its internal affairs is Russia's and only Russia's affairs, not America's. Just like when Americans get pissed when foreign countries tell the US how to conduct its domestic policies.
:furious:
2003-10-31 06:30 | User Profile
What Russia does in its internal affairs is Russia's and only Russia's affairs, not America's. Just like when Americans get pissed when foreign countries tell the US how to conduct its domestic policies.
Hmmmm, well I don't see many centrist-establishment politicians serving ZOG complain when Israel meddles in US internal politics...heck they gladly welcome it as long as it's not directed against them. If your name happens to be McKinney or Hilliard, on the other hand....
2003-10-31 06:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Hmmmm, well I don't see many centrist-establishment politicians serving ZOG complain when Israel meddles in US internal politics...heck they gladly welcome it as long as it's not directed against them. If your name happens to be McKinney or Hilliard, on the other hand....[/QUOTE]
Uhh....ok....I was mostly refering to your average joe for the most part, or least around where I come from.
2003-10-31 07:54 | User Profile
He [Perle] is not known to have any business ties with Yukos, Safranchuk said.
Perhaps not, but he certainly has...ahem...tribal ties to Khodorkovsky.
2003-10-31 10:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Perhaps not, but he certainly has...ahem...tribal ties to Khodorkovsky.[/QUOTE]
There really is no doubt that the movement against the Oligarchs is essentially ethnic in nature.
The Oligarchs are overwhelmingly non-Russian, and very disproportionately Jewish. Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Abramovich, and the Chyorny Brothers are all Jews. I believe that Kakha Bendyukidze is a Georgian Jew (his name suggests that - [I]ben Dyuk[/I]), but I could be wrong. All the persons around Yeltsin's "Family"are Jews or Jewish-connected. Yelstin's wife Naina Yosevna is Jewish, as of course is the very central figure of his daughter. Chubais is reportedly Jewish, from his mother's side. I believe that Oleg Deripaska is also Jewish.
The only non-Jewish Oligarchs that I can think of are Vagit Alekperov of LukOil (Azeri),Yuri Luzhkov (Russian - but I have my doubts about him, too.) I'm also unsure about Potanin, and of course the big daddy of them all former GAZPROM boss and Prime Minister Victor Chernomyrdin (Russian with a Ukrainian name).
The Russians in and around the security forces, the military, and GAZPROM and taking over the natural resource companies stolen by the Jewish Oligarchs around the utterly corrput Yeltsin family. It's really that simple.
Thus Richard Perle is upset, because he knows that if they succeed a terrible blow will have been dealt to Jewish power throughout the world.
The kings of the Diaspora are sure to bitch ever more loudly about this, but note that they haven't screamed "anti-Semitism" yet. They didn't in 1937, either, because if they claimed that the Old Bolsheviks were being rounded up and shot because they were Jewish, then they'd be forced to admit that Jews made the Revolution. And that would be quite a negative propaganda disaster. In the same way if they admit that the Jewish Oligarchs are being picked on because they're Jewish, they'd also have to admit that the Loan for Shares theft (without doubt one of the greatest organized crimes in history - comparable to the Revolution itself in its audacity) was done by Jews for Jewish interests, resulting in the collapse of the Russian pension and medical system, and the untimely deaths and needless suffering of untold millions of Russian citizens.
Khodorkovsky and his ilk should be tried, and if found guilty, shot. IMHO. :tank: But watch for our ZOG-controlled media to make him a martyr to "freedom."
Walter
2003-10-31 16:18 | User Profile
Perle, who believes that the White House should contain the Kremlin rather than cooperate with it ...now that Jews are being held accountable for looting the country.
"It's possible already to say that real damage is being done to the prospects for future Russian economic growth(Jewish parasitism) and development by what appears to be an arbitrary(necessary), capricious(just) and vindictive(overdue) campaign against a private company(Jewish looters),"
A not-so-veiled threat in there, eh?
However, it may(will assuredly) set off a new round of criticism of President Vladimir Putin's domestic policies in the U.S. Congress, Safranchuk said.
Looks like PM Mahathir is in good company!
Perle also criticized the campaign in Chechnya and said he hoped that Russian oil companies would be denied contracts in postwar Iraq. He said the White House should be under no illusions that the Kremlin will help to end alleged development of nuclear weapons by Iran.
Looks like the Kremlin would like a nuclear-armed buffer state on its southern flank now that U.S. foreign policy has been completely and publically hijacked by Zionist Jews.
Perle was forced to step down as chairman of the Defense Policy Board last spring because of a potential conflict of interest between his duties on the Pentagon board and his defense-related business activities. He remained a board member.
Actually, my read on it is that he had to scuttle back into the shadows before the reflections off his carapace alerted too many of the stupid goys that invading Iraq was in other than America's interests, but that's just little ol' "hater" me.
2003-10-31 18:08 | User Profile
Anyone think that Putin raised the stakes because of the situation the US got themselves in in Iraq and Afghanistan, and overall world's getting more anti-American due to the latest events?
2003-11-01 06:28 | User Profile
I can imagine how the kosher konservative klowns over at free republic are taking this. After all, Khodorkovsky is just a "buisnessman" being persecuted by an evil socialist government.
Playing the jew card publically will be the tribe's last resort.
2003-11-01 19:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Anyone think that Putin raised the stakes because of the situation the US got themselves in in Iraq and Afghanistan, and overall world's getting more anti-American due to the latest events?[/QUOTE]
Oh, I think so.
This is happening now because (1) with sustained high oil prices the last couple years, Russia is rolling in the $money$ and is not feeling nearly as vulnerable as just a few years ago (2) Russia knows damned well that it holds the future of the world's economy by the nuts since it is the only viable alternative petroleum supplier to Saudi Arabia which is not far down Wolfie's hit list. Russia is building pipelines to China, for Pete's sake, and (3) US/Israel stepped in a big pile of shite in Iraq, and they've run up a TRILLION in red ink in the last two years alone!!!!. This means that Russia's star is up and ZOG's is down, at least for now.
Maybe the worm has turned, my friends.
Watch Russia carefully. The essence of this struggle, as Madrussian and I have been saying since Sam Francis days, is ethnic. It's just that nobody's ready to talk about it yet - especially our own dear, much-beloved ZOG media. It's getting closer, though, I think.
Maybe.
Walter
2003-11-01 21:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Oh, I think so.
This is happening now because (1) with sustained high oil prices the last couple years, Russia is rolling in the $money$ and is not feeling nearly as vulnerable as just a few years ago (2) Russia knows damned well that it holds the future of the world's economy by the nuts since it is the only viable alternative petroleum supplier to Saudi Arabia which is not far down Wolfie's hit list. Russia is building pipelines to China, for Pete's sake, and (3) US/Israel stepped in a big pile of shite in Iraq, and they've run up a TRILLION in red ink in the last two years alone!!!!. This means that Russia's star is up and ZOG's is down, at least for now.
Maybe the worm has turned, my friends.
Watch Russia carefully. The essence of this struggle, as Madrussian and I have been saying since Sam Francis days, is ethnic. It's just that nobody's ready to talk about it yet - especially our own dear, much-beloved ZOG media. It's getting closer, though, I think.
Maybe.
Walter[/QUOTE]
** "I foresee the re-establishment of a mighty Russia -- one yet stronger and more powerful [than she is today]. Remember that it is upon the bones of martyrs just such as these that a new Rus' will be erected, as on a firm foundation; and yet, she will be fashioned after the old model and firm in her faith in Christ [our] God, and in the Holy Trinity! And the Church will be as one, in accordance with the testament of Prince St. Vladimir! The Russian people have ceased to understand just what Rus' is: she is the foot-stool of the Lord's Throne! The Russian must realize this and thank God for the fact that he is a Russian." — Holy and Righteous St. Ioann of Kronstadt**
Here's also a nice article from Pravda.ru that I very much like.
** [url]http://english.pravda.ru/letters/2002/06/04/29646_.html[/url]
Roniel Aledo: The Stalingrad point and the future of Russia and world politics
The world is coming to the climax of history. The changes on Easter Europe ten and the end of the former Soviet Union ten years ago is just the tip of the iceberg of what is still to come. Based on various elements such as an analysis of today's politics from a scholar and academic viewpoint, the current political experience on Western Europe, the Russian political phenomenon and even the concordance of Orthodox and Catholic religious elements, I can say for sure that the world is approaching its political and historical climax; one full of radical changes on the political structure of Europe and Russia.
The world is coming to what I can call a recession of today's liberal democracy. Like all in history democracy was born, expanded, and now will fall or at least get reduced. This is that like all giant bodies or entities from the Roman Empire, to Sparta, to the Arian heresy, to the Spanish Empire, to National Socialist Germany; systems grow to a maximum expansion in order to reach their decadency path. This academic analysis, not opinion; I am not saying this is good or bad, I just say it happens. This means is simple words that political systems like empires, ideologies, non-true religions, etc, are born, grow, get expanded to a maximum and then begin to become smaller. Experience tells us that had been the case in world history.
The most clear example of the 20th Century: National Socialist Germany was born in 1933, came to a maximum expansion in 1942 by reaching Stalingrad, to its retrograde point precisely in Stalingrad in 1943 and its end in 1945. For Hitler, Stalingrad was his point of the beginning of the end. Lenin's revolution and the Soviet Union were born in the early Twentieth century, came to its world maximum expansion in the early eighties with Afghanistan, Nicaragua and almost El Salvador, and to its "Stalingrad" point (maximum expansion just before the beginning of the end) precisely on those countries, and de facto disappeared in 1991. In the same way numerous empires, religions, movements, ideologies. We can say that with exemption of very few religions such as Buddhism and Christianism all on history comes, grows and then disappears: the question, therefore, is when the unilateral world, leaded by the United States and the European Union will reach their "Stalingrad" point; when democracy will go to its begin of the end? From a scholar analysis, despite our feelings or opinions, negative or positive, we must accept the reality that today 's liberal democracy is just a recent invention of the writers of the XVIII century. Writers famous for their anticlericalism such as Voltaire, Rousseau and the so-called Encyclopedists, were working hard developing a philosophical formula contrary to the Scholasticism of St Thomas Aquinas and the Christian world.
Their work finalized in what is called today liberalism, and they were under the impression that their theory was right and "defeated" the Scholastic philosophy. Then to mask their new creation those writers took the name of Democracy from the old Greeks (even tough their formula has very little in common with the old Greek formula) and disseminated it around the world. Later developments such as the appearance of Darwin' theories helped in extraordinary way the definitive acceptance of this new formula. Darwin's theories were made doctrinal fact by the new liberal governments and were appreciated from a philosophical viewpoint and not from a scientific one.
Also the Freemasonic sect helped in great way to disseminate the new formula called liberal Democracy. This sect, furiously anti Clerical and anti Scholastics saw in the works of Voltaire and Roseau, also members of the sect, the perfect apology to promote their world revolution and create a new or liberal order where laicism is the universal factor. Analyzing the future, or may be present down fall of Democracy or its "Stalingrad" point I see no surprise in the recent Jean Marie Le Pen's French shock. Europe is not an immobile body; to the very contrary, constant movement and evolutionary process happens in Europe all the time; as a matter of fact there has never been a "quiet" or real non-moving period longer than a few years in the European history. Europe, Russia included, moves, changes, and evolves in a never-ending process. I think Europe will be the engine and the geographical point for the New World Order and Democracy's "Stalingrad"; after all, it was there where it was born.
France's last election results and LePen's 6 millions votes are not accident or isolated element. It is not a protest, but a natural evolution. Dr Haider's party success in Austria had neither been an accident: when a system reaches or is close to reach its point of retreat, people look for other options. So, where will the world go? My answer is controversial, buy my theory is born of an analytical approach, free of the bias and psychological aversions that Western scholars usually have. In a simple answer: Europe, Russia included, will return to far right governments.
Russia will be the insurance of this evolution and the muscle behind it. Russia, in a nationalistic and far right environment will regain much of its old superpower status, will regain its protagonist position on world politics and a military, political and even in a new in history, economical way. As shocking as this theory can sound I give some of the basics behind it. Russia it is not a democratic country, at least not really; not to blame, it had never been. Russia waits for it chances, and while doing it gives the appearance of low threat and friendly hand to the United States and the West. Europe is in its natural evolution, and within the decadency of Democracy. The time will come when one of the big countries in Europe, may be one with nuclear weapons (insurance of independence), will move to the right in a radical way. Austria it is not one of those big countries, nor Italy has enough right hegemonic power, but when a country of the big ones, such as France, combines the same hegemonic power in a Right Wing party, like the power that the legendary PRI has in Mexico for more tan 70 years, then it will be the base for a historical change. If Le Pens or his party votes go during the next 20 years from 18 percent to 60 percent, political earthquake will arrive. That is what Russia needs: a big and rich country in Western Europe, independent and free from the New World Order. When Russia sees this arriving, then Russia will make its own changes and begin its own revolution. Marx and Lenin are not the path that Europe will take at the moment of providing Democracy its "Stalingrad" point; nor the path that Russia will take when doing its Revolution to the Superpower status. Communism did not work and is buried in Russia, despite the fact that some elements as independence sense and Nationalism are alive. Are precisely those elements, with the resurrection of the Christian fervor, what is going to lead Russia to a new version of the Czar's political system: Nationalism, Christianism, anti World Order position, independence of action and doctrines, authoritarism, or what is the same in today's dictionaries: far right government. Because Euro Communist in the West are also agonizing, it nether will be the path that Europe will take in its future revolution. Both Europe and Russia will embrace the far right: a big powerful country in Europe first, and Russia immediately afterwards. Despite the appearances Russia, a country that careless for Voltaire and Rousseau formulas, is still keeping its independence of ideology and movement. Russia just became in the recent Italian meeting a non-full member of NATO. This is not based on a change of politics in Russia but on a master strategy of self-defense. Russia is following the advice that says "keep your friend close and your enemies closer". Russia cannot avoid in definitively the incorporation into NATO of countries such as Latvia or Lithuania; this will be a major threat for Russia. Putin's strategy in becoming a pseudo member of NATO is to keep a closer eye on his potential enemy. Now Russia will have a seat on all planning and decision meetings on NATO; the best prevention of a NATO hostile attitude or action towards Russia. If NATO wants to conspire against Russia, it will have to make secret meetings and exclude Russia from them. Putin's move is just a way to receive the best possible intelligence information on NATO, Russia's only potential enemy. What better strategy to know your enemy's movement than assisting to their meetings? The recent partial entrance of Russia in the NATO is not more than a bluff. The mentality behind it is the wise man advice that the Godfather, gave to his son in the movie," keep your friend close, and your enemies closer". Russia is just playing that game. When Russia see that it can have a true trade partner, a satellite country in the in the hearth of Western Europe, bring together big amount of Gold from a powerful Western Europe country to its own economy and can truly trust a nuclear state, with high technology and infrastructures, as a real and ideological friend independent from the New World order; then Russia will remove its barriers to it own natural inclinations and become the authoritarian country and superpower that hides today behind the democratic and liberal mask. After the first big European country becomes dominated by the far right, Russia will follow without delay. A new Axis, Moscow-Paris, or Moscow-Rome or even an unlikely but not impossible Moscow-London, will be born. Liberal democracy will find its Stalingrad point. A dream? Fiction? The French electoral shock, the 27% of votes from Dr Haider's Freedom party of Austria, the raise of the British National party and the electoral results in Netherlands, together with Russian Nationalism, revival of Christian fervor and the Vladimir Zhirinovsky factor, together with more 15 more years, will give us the answer. For those few that don't believe in Social Sciences or political analysis, I can point to other sources with similar results. The reading of the prophecies of St. Seraphim of Sarov and those of St.Hildegard of Bingen, Blessed Rabanus Megentius Maurus, St. Caesarius of Arles and St. Francisco de Paola concerning the "Great Monarch" will be very interesting for those that have little faith in political and social sciences.
Roniel Aledo Captain of the US Army Texas **
2003-11-01 22:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Perhaps not, but he certainly has...ahem...tribal ties to Khodorkovsky.[/QUOTE] They're both Baptists?
2003-11-09 10:43 | User Profile
This is interesting, to say the least. I'm waiting for the neo-cons on the radio to stir up their spaded listeners on this. That may not be too far off, for John McCain was on the tube the other night commenting on this. In a nutshell, he parroted the line promoted by the lying Perle. He went onto say that Putin's actions were base upon trying to prevent the development of democracy and that Putin was trying to resurrect 400 years of tsarsim (!) and communism.
Considering what McCain represents, good for Putin. I have read in several places that he admires Peter the Great. I hope that Putin moves against the Jews the same way Peter did against the Empress Sophia and the Streltsy, for it sounds like that he wants to avoid a repeat of the last time the swine ran things there and I bet that Putin's time as a KGB officer allowed him many an opportunity to see some of the tribe's actions up close first hand.
2003-11-09 20:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]John McCain was on the tube the other night commenting on this. In a nutshell, he parroted the line promoted by the lying Perle. He went onto say that Putin's actions were base upon trying to prevent the development of democracy and that Putin was trying to resurrect 400 years of tsarsim (!)
Oh no! Now we just can't have that now can we?
Considering what McCain represents, good for Putin. I have read in several places that he admires Peter the Great. I hope that Putin moves against the Jews the same way Peter did against the Empress Sophia and the Streltsy, for it sounds like that he wants to avoid a repeat of the last time the swine ran things there and I bet that Putin's time as a KGB officer allowed him many an opportunity to see some of the tribe's actions up close first hand.[/QUOTE]
Really? Last I heard that Putin considers Stalin his great hero! Either way, if Putin wants to do any good for Russia he'd break the oligarchs in the same fashion Ivan the Terrible broke the boyars, F*ck Peter the Great!
** "Yes, Russia needed both to catch up to the West technologically and to gain access to the seas, especially the Black Sea. Russia needed this, but not at the cost of stamping out(in quite a Bolshevik fashion and with many excesses) her sense of history, her people's beliefs, soul, and customs, for the sake of accelerated industrial development and military might.(We can see from mankind's recent experiances that no material and economic "leaps" compensate for the spiritual losses borne in the process)" --Aleksander Solzhenitsyn "The Russian Question at the End of the 20th Century"
"Peter the Great had a genius for imitation; he did not have true genius, which creates and makes everything anew. He saw that his people was barbarous, but did not see that it was not ripe for civilizing; he attempted to bring it under law and order when it needed only to be trained. He attempted to make Germans and Englishmen out of his subjects, [u]when he should have begun by making them into Russians[/u]; he prevented them from ever becoming what they could have been by persuading them that they were something that there not." --Jean-Jacques Rousseau "the Social Contract", 1762**