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Thread ID: 10753 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2003-10-26
2003-10-26 02:43 | User Profile
I found the OD thread "Remembering American Wars" [which turned into a fight of sorts] very interesting. And I want to talk about why, because I think this issue is important.
Here is a comment/response from that thread that I found important. Who-said-what is not the issue here, rather, the topic is:
Fade, I am one generation removed from Carbon Hill, Alabama with most all of my relatives on my father's side still living in and around there and Jasper. The fact that you would side with an embittered, sour Kraut like Gaunt over and above your own nationalistic-minded countrymen is repugnant and a disgrace to the great state of Alabama. You do great dishonor to the man featured in your signature and Southrons everywhere.
.....Is this the kind of "nationalist" government that sends its troops - sorry heroes - into Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama to force white kids to go to school with Negroes at gunpoint? What is "nationalism" in your view? It is waving a meaningless flag made in Taiwan with a bunch of braindead idiots at FR? Is it sucking up to the Jews and Negroes and bending over backwards to defend the people that hate and despise everything about us?....
There is a big divide at OD between, if you will, the "pro-American" people and the so-called "anti-American" people such as me. I have seen this many times. I really want to address it. Sorry if it angers the administration at OD.
I say that America is worth "supporting" only if she has done many more great things than she has done awful things. However, since America 1] was the key factor in the 1945 destruction of the only entity which could save White European culture; 2] was key in creating the Jewish state; 3] virtually gave Jews the keys to the West thru American military might; and soooo many other examples, I say that it is very tough to support America after, say, 1938. I say that the pro-Americans might want to re-think our various "anti-American" views. We would embrace America much more readily if she had not greatly aided the wrecking of the West.
Harsh words, maybe, and I do not mean to anger anyone, but I believe that they are truthful words as well. Let OD'ers comment on this issue.
2003-10-26 02:47 | User Profile
[typo in title corrected]
2003-10-26 03:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE]There is a big divide at OD between, if you will, the "pro-American" people and the so-called "anti-American" people such as me. I have seen this many times. I really want to address it. [/QUOTE]
No, Franco, there really [I]isn't [/I] a big divide. Not like there appears to be. This was a personality clash, not an ideology clash. You've been here long enough to know I've written some pretty extreme things in the last year-plus that were not that different from what those guys were saying, but the thing here was the [I]smugness of tone[/I] that got up my nose.
Bottom line was the differences in ideology were cosmetic; the [I]personal dislike [/I] was real. This board isn't VNN, it isn't FAEM, it isn't FR, it isn't Liberty Forum. [I]It is what it is[/I]; if you want it to be one of those sites, you [I]go [/I] to those sites. Around here, 'extreme' political/cultural outlooks aren't banned, but they're not compulsory - you don't put on a restricting shock collar at the door. Nor should you. Gaunt and Braun, etc, continually took a sneering tone that mocked America, which isn't that offensive - but their pussified, gutless continued finger-pointing at the US whenever their own Jew-dominated countries were taken to task enraged me. On the one hand America was weak and worthless; on the other hand America is cruel and despotic. The idea that [I]maybe you ought to look in the mirror for just a moment or two [/I] was laughed off as cruel-despotic/weak-worthless Yankee brainwashing.
Hey, Hitler agitated, Hitler organized and Hitler took his lumps fighting for his country. He didn't pat himself on the back on a job well done simply for bashing France and England - and if he did, [B]he'd have bashed them in German venues for a German audience! [/B] Every time it was pointed out to Gaunt et al to rattle his own countrymen's cages and make a difference, he whined that America wouldn't let him - ie, that would require effort and risk. Far easier to blame his own kinsmen's apathy and timidity on "America"......that's horseshit.
Germany showed commendable backbone in resisting The War on Iraq - which should have been a mathematical impossibility given "America's" iron-clad control over German free will (according to The Cabal)...but that they DID resist shows that Germany can stand up for Germany if she exerts the WILL to do so.
The truth is that Gaunt et al are BLOWHARDS....perfectly satisfied to hold court at OD where they could high-five each other on their "hardness" and "truth" while accomplishing nothing. Nobody here could care less; we're concerned with our [I]own [/I] country first. That they blew a fit every time I pointed out that they could scream bloody murder with impunity - HERE- while they would face jail time - AMONG THEIR KINSMEN - said it all. What they weren't "hard" enough to face is that [I]their [/I] countrymen - like [I]our [/I] countrymen - are lazy and indolent and willing to meet ZOG halfway [I]of their own free will[/I]. 9 out of 10 German citizens would cross the street to avoid the likes of Leland Gaunt and Friedrich Braun, and that ain't got a [I]blessed thing [/I] to do with the USA. But it does show commendably good taste.
2003-10-26 04:12 | User Profile
Sorry il Rango I have to go with Franco on this one.
So that whole damn thing was over the smugness of tone. For crying out loud, grow up il Rango!
2003-10-26 04:25 | User Profile
You guys' consistent 'message' was IT'S AMERICA'S FAULT.
[I]You know, there are plenty of Germans who want nothing to do with another NS-styled government.[/I] IT IS AMERICA'S FAULT!! TOTALLY AMERICA'S FAULT!!
[I]Well, exactly what **are ** you willing to shoulder even the [U]slightest [/U] shred of responsibility for?[/I] IT'S AMERICA'S FAULT AMERICA'S FAULT AMERICA'S FAULT!!!
[I]Why not point this out to your own countrymen? [/I] NOOOOO, IT'S AMERICA'S FAULT!! AMERICA WON'T LET ME!!
[I]Why not try to organize a grass-roots opposition to all this?[/I] SCHWEINHUNDT ZAT TOO IS AMERICA'S FAULT!!
[I]Say, that's a pretty raw looking boo-boo on your thumb there.[/I] JA UND ZAT TOO IS YOUR FAULT AMERIKANER DOG!!
[I]Yes, but - [U]good lord[/U]....[B]are you sticking your fingers in your ears[/B]?[/I] ALL OF IT AMERICA'S FAULT!!
Sorry, but your pals were obnoxious idiots. And you're bringing up the rear, Cossack Boy.
2003-10-26 04:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] Sorry, but your pals were obnoxious idiots. And you're bringing up the rear, Cossack Boy.[/QUOTE]
Nice Try il Rango but you're not going to trap me into another flame war so you can convince Tex to have me banned from this forum! Yes, get rid of the last of the "Euro cabal" and all would be well here at OD. :blow:
Tex, il rango is clearly trying to provoke another flame war on this forum. I'm suprised you're allowing him to do this when you had Fade, Leland, and Braun banned for flaming this forum.
2003-10-26 04:48 | User Profile
Nope, I neither banned your pals nor pleaded for their banning. They did it all on their lonesome. But I'm not gonna lie and say [I]I miss them[/I].
And I'm done with this topic. But Franco resuscitated it and I wanted it on the record that I didn't dislike their arguments so much as I personally disliked THEM.
2003-10-26 04:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] And I'm done with this topic. But Franco resuscitated it and I wanted it on the record that I didn't dislike their arguments so much as I personally disliked THEM.[/QUOTE]
And this further proves how pathetic you are and explains why you never made any real intellectual arguments but only making cheap personal shots at me, Fade, and Leland. Especially at me, with those remarks about me needing to get laid and you're immature attempt to make fun of my penis size.
2003-10-26 05:08 | User Profile
You know, your incessant whining on this point led me to go back and slog through that damned waste-of-bandwidth thread to find the offending comments.
Now I [I]did[/I] facetiously suggest you "get yourself laid". (And, my God - you really, really should.) But, interestingly, I cannot find [I]any[/I] mention in [I]any[/I] of my posts regarding your "penis size".
But hey - if the shoe fits...!
2003-10-26 05:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]You know, your incessant whining on this point led me to go back and slog through that damned waste-of-bandwidth thread to find the offending comments.
Now I [I]did[/I] facetiously suggest you "get yourself laid". (And, my God - you really, really should.)
Yeah I really should. Too bad I'm a devout Christian with something called MORALS to guide my behavior. Oh well, you wouldn't know anything about that now wouldn't you.
2003-10-26 05:22 | User Profile
Well, if I had known that this thread would start another fight, I would not have even posted it....
2003-10-26 05:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Well, if I had known that this thread would start another fight, I would not have even posted it....[/QUOTE]
Well we can thank il rango for that! He can't seem to know when to keep his mouth shout!
** "An empty mind makes the most noise." --Russian proverb**
2003-10-26 05:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE]And this further proves how pathetic you are and explains why you never made any real intellectual arguments but only making cheap personal shots at me, Fade, and Leland. Especially at me, with those remarks about me needing to get laid and you're immature attempt to make fun of my penis size.[/QUOTE]
Well, now that I've proven that 'penis size' whine of yours was simply a lie you continued repeating ad nauseum for sympathy, I can point out that I didn't make a single reference to you in my initial post here. But like a woman with her menses, you had to keep needling and needling, muttering under your breath about how [I]unfair [/I] it all is. And now suddenly you're playing your Pity Violin over your 'morals'.
Why don't you face the fact that you're simply a [I]whiner[/I]? And a whiner who just keeps sighing louder and louder for effect if you don't get your way?
2003-10-26 08:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I say that America is worth "supporting" only if she has done many more great things than she has done awful things. However, since America 1] was the key factor in the 1945 destruction of the only entity which could save White European culture; 2] was key in creating the Jewish state; 3] virtually gave Jews the keys to the West thru American military might; and soooo many other examples, I say that it is very tough to support America after, say, 1938. I say that the pro-Americans might want to re-think our various "anti-American" views. We would embrace America much more readily if she had not greatly aided the wrecking of the West.[/QUOTE]
I think you've put your finger on it.
I don't love America because America stands for the right ideas. I love America because she's mine.
In the same way I don't love my mother because she's a saint due for immediate beatification (she is, but that's just a coincidence), I love her because she's my mother.
I recall an exchange with Ruffin over this very point. My connection is to no idea, but to a very real, living entity called the American Nation.
You more ideologically minded folks buy into the whole Inner Party heresy that America is a "propositional country" - not a blood-and-soil nation like, say, Ireland or Serbia. This is profoundly wrong. The European, Christian and English-speaking American nation is mine, regardless of whatever ideas may be in vogue. That nation has friends, and it has enemies.
My nation fought and won a war with Nazi Germany. Ergo, the Nazis are my enemies, always have been, always will be. The Germans are our friends in defeat. Leland Gaunt is an enemy of my nation, because he clings to the Nazi ideology. Any so-called American, like you, Franco, who places an alien ideology such as Nazism above loyalty to the blood and soil of the European, Christian and English-speaking American Nation is a traitor. It's really just that simple.
I think that this really is the source of much disagreement among us, and I thank you for pointing it out.
You're loyal to something I'm not, and apparently I'm loyal to something you see as a hindrance to attaining your goal. In short, I can only take you as a traitor to my nation, and you can only take me as an enemy to your Nazi cause.
Ne'er the twain shall meet.
Long live America.
A generous hand of friendship to her allies.
Slow death to her enemies.
And a guarded goodwill to all others.
Warmest regards to all,
Walter
2003-10-26 12:36 | User Profile
Re Hitler & Germany:
Hitler - the greatest patriotic statesman of 20th Century Europe - blew it. He took steps to solve Germany's Jewish problem, then set about exacting vengeance for the victor's justice imposed on Germany after WW1 at Versailles. (And this is a common failure - maybe a fatal failure -among Europeans, as so obviously exhibited by OD's ex-Cabal. The good they do is too often a cover for what they [I]really [/I] want to get into, and that is the resumption of ancient hostilities against other gentile nations.)
Hitler had the momentum and he had the ideal product for export - organizing gentile awakening to Jewish perfidy, Jewish influence & Jewish power....[I]the Jewish problem. [/I] He had the ideal audience, because hard-wired into the gentile personality ( at least, of the 1930s) is a [I]natural inclination [/I] to distrust the Jew. He had the ideal arena - a Western world not yet swamped in liberal foolishness, multiculturalism and cookie-cutter-identical media (and what media there was was still to large extent in gentile hands). By 1936 Germany was the envy of the whole world, and Adolf Hitler the most charismatic & electrifying political leader on Earth.
Of all people, [I]he [/I] should've known the hydra-headed nature of Hyman. Of all people, [I]he [/I] should've understood that it was not enough to take the Jews in hand in one fixed and finite theater of operations - that the Nuremburg laws were only the first shot fired across the bow, and one that would be responded to decisively. Of all people, [I]he [/I] should've had the vision to see that a pan-Western race-based nationalism would have benefitted Germany more than any military adventure could've ever netted her. But that damned Fuhrer principle got in his way...and like most Europeans, he couldn't wait to set aside his deadliest enemy, left at half-strength and recovering quickly, to set out on a doomed agenda of fratricide - in this case, Vengeance for Versailles.
And the world he left the rest of us to inherit is -as we all know - in a far thornier [I]cul-de-sac [/I] than Germany was in those relatively simpler black-and-white times. Thus, while we can admire Hitler (and I do), the Hitler example cannot now be replicated - it would be counter-productive. Different strategies are now called for. Sad as this to say, the most important lessons to be drawn from Hitler's example are what [I]not [/I] to do.
2003-10-26 14:11 | User Profile
It is not a surprise that flame wars like this seem to be very commonplace on White nationalist forums.
The point of it is simple: America is an Israeli colony. Our president and our government know their pets and have them on leashes, all to sic on the White man. It is really sad to know that perhaps 98% of my own people wave their stars-and-stripes, shout "Screw 'dem Ayrabs", and are oblivious to the fact that each day, an American soldier is killed in Iraq. This has to be the most appalling thing of this entire "war". Does the American public stop to think what is happening to their men over there?? The possibility of an American death toll matching deaths in Vietnam is good, considering the daily count. YET--The Media downplays this and through our president, are supposed to think we are supposedly "winning" the war. We definitely want to rule Iraq and impose our culture on them--a truly [B]decadent[/B] one. Torturing civilians with Metallica music, capitalist hounds planning fast-food joints; my oh my, ain't America grand?? America is an [B]empire[/B], and all of their songs and preambles should be revised to keep in tune with 2003.
It is healthy for an American to openly crticize his own country, just like non-Americans who criticize America. There are times when I wonder why WWII is mentioned today as if it was a recent war. The anti-German sentiment that affects me personally is so strong here in the U.S., mostly due to Chosen influence. We have this concept called "diversity", which should be called what it really is: "F*ck White Men And White Culture". We have Eli Rosenbaum, an FBI hag whose occupation is snatching elderly men of their U.S. citizenship, because they were supposedly on the "enemy" side during WWII and came to the U.S. to seek a better life. If WWII isn't keeping America running, it's the "Holocaust"(TM) which has put another great burden on American minds. We never hear about the wrongdoing that the Chosen put upon Christian Eastern Europeans, murdering them, confiscating their land, the Gulags. We never hear about this because the Chosen won't allow it. For [B]they[/B] are the eternal sufferers. And the American public nods along...
Flaming people goes nowhere here at OD. Maybe what really gets to some of the "patriot" types is the fact that Franco, Friederich Braun, and Fade The Butcher say things that really strike a nerve, things we know are true but are afraid to openly say them. The more they remind us of how sh*tty things really are, the more we feel obliged to say what we truly feel, likewise. It's funny; the ones who object to their posts sound like the Chosen getting uppity after learning of an art exhibit where a Star of David is covered with excrement.
2003-10-26 14:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE]It is really sad to know that perhaps 98% of my own people wave their stars-and-stripes, shout "Screw 'dem Ayrabs", and are oblivious to the fact that each day, an American soldier is killed in Iraq. [/QUOTE]
The Fade/Braun/Gaunt approach guarantees that that number will stay at 98%, Robbie. The difference between the clever Jewish antiwar movement of the 60s, and the knucklehead racialist antiwar movement of today, is that the Jews were never so stupid as to loudly [I]glory[/I] in dead American soldiers, even when they secretly did. And you cannot achieve anything but striking a boho pose when 98% of your own people are against you.
2003-10-26 14:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]The Fade/Braun/Gaunt approach guarantees that that number will stay at 98%, Robbie. The difference between the clever Jewish antiwar movement of the 60s, and the knucklehead racialist antiwar movement of today, is that the Jews were never so stupid as to loudly [I]glory[/I] in dead American soldiers, even when they secretly did. And you cannot achieve anything but striking a boho pose when 98% of your own people are against you.[/QUOTE]
Actually, only Gaunt really irritated me. In my opinion he just didn't add anything of value. In contrast, I thought that Fade had some good things to say, even if he did take an unfortunately sharp turn off the cliff. He's obviously a very smart guy.
Walter
2003-10-26 14:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]The difference between the clever Jewish antiwar movement of the 60s, and the knucklehead racialist antiwar movement of today, is that the Jews were never so stupid as to loudly [I]glory[/I] in dead American soldiers, even when they secretly did.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Chosen are [B]clever[/B], but that's how they make their mark in the world. They do not believe in being honest; you know that. The anti-war protests of today aren't comprised entirely of gefilte fish and challah; because this is a war that is championed by a very influential Chosen neo-con lobby, the protestors are explicit today, and know who the enemies are. The protestors of the 60's eyed the President and looked no further; the protestors of today are smarter than that.
2003-10-26 14:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Of all people, he should've had the vision to see that a pan-Western race-based nationalism would have benefitted Germany more than any military adventure could've ever netted her. [/QUOTE]
With all respect, you're making Nazism something that it never was. Nazism was all about GERMANY - the victory of the German nation over all others, including the American nation.
There was nothing "internationalist" about Nazism. It was pan-German jingoism of the worst kind. These attempts to turn it into some rallying cry for white people everywhere are nonsensical.
My Polish neighbors didn't have much good to say about the German Nazis. Neither to the many French, Dutch and Belgians I've known. They left white enemies nearly wherever they went. I'm just not seeing a lot of export potential here, guys.
Oddly, the Russians are the only ones who seem to really empathize with the Nazis, but that's one of those paradoxes of history that will never be fully fathomed. Best to consign that one to the murky depths of the Slavic soul.
None for me, thanks.
Walter
2003-10-26 15:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] Why don't you face the fact that you're simply a [I]whiner[/I]? And a whiner who just keeps sighing louder and louder for effect if you don't get your way?[/QUOTE]
:lol: looks whose talking here? You're the one starting all these flame wars simply because you don't like other peoples' tone.
2003-10-26 16:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]
I don't love America because America stands for the right ideas. I love America because she's mine.
[/QUOTE]
Beg to differ Walter, America, your patrimony, has been taken from you with extreme prejudice by the same cabal Hitler was fighting.
America is not only not yours anymore, she is your active enemy.
2003-10-26 16:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Beg to differ Walter, America, your patrimony, has been taken from you with extreme prejudice by the same cabal Hitler was fighting.
America is not only not yours anymore, she is your active enemy.[/QUOTE]
America was stolen, not destroyed. She still exists. You talk as if America is somehow gone. That just isn't so. There are 200 million white, Christian (at least broadly defined) and English-speaking Americans. We are a nation that's very much alive - if not indeed more than a bit confused.
A gaggle of usurpers took control of the levers of power. They hijacked the ship of state, so to speak. But we're still here. We just need to take her back from the thieves. Not an easy task, but one that I'm not about to give up on.
The Nazis were totalitarians. They vested all power into a single man. They have nothing whatever to do with us. Embracing that failed LOSER ideology would be the ultimate defeat, because we'd cease being what we are and become LOSERS like them.
And any real American hates losers more than anything else. I know I do.
I want to save America QUA America. I surely do not wish to sacrifice her on some pagan, LOSER tuetonic altar.
Whence this despair, brothers? It's all still here, and it's getting stronger every day. :flex:
Leave the LOSER Nazis rot under the rubble of Berlin, where they belong - the trash heap of history. Re-discover who we were, and what we can achieve again, as a proud, sovereign and free European, Christian and English-speaking Republic. We need to reinstitute Christendom, not sell her soul to some weak and adolescent minds with fantasies of goose stepping in sharp looking Nazi uniforms.
Thousands went before us to give us this Republic, and to defend it from blood enemies like the Jewish Bolsheviks and the German Nazis. You're not going to give up - and even worse BECOME OUR ENEMIES - just because a bunch of nebbishes from Brooklyn infiltrated the media, the boards of the big corporations, and the federal bureacracy, are you? We've been through worse. We'll survive this. It will be hard, but we'll win. Or at least any real patriot will resolve to die trying. Join me in that.
[I]Bloom forever, oh Republic, from the dust of my bosom . . .[/I] Walter
2003-10-26 17:03 | User Profile
The factors mentioned by WY were important for the disintegration of the USSR, but the main factor he didn't mention was that people were very sceptical about the official doctrine and government and swapping political jokes ever since Khruschev. Without that, the regime would endure. Just like it endured during the much more difficult times before. Are Americans like that? Or will they become like that in just a few years? I am not confident of that.
2003-10-26 17:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] You talk as if America is somehow gone.
Not to quibble, but no I don't speak about it as though she is gone. I said, she is now our active enemy in that the government\media culture wants to blend white's and white patriotism out of existence
That just isn't so. There are 200 million white, Christian (at least broadly defined) and English-speaking Americans. We are a nation that's very much alive - if not indeed more than a bit confused.
Yes, the white nation is still here and it is under assault by the entity called [I]America[/I]- the official culture.
The Nazis were totalitarians. They vested all power into a single man.
During that war all the democracies where totalitarian dictatorships. War powers acts and all of that.
They have nothing whatever to do with us. Embracing that failed LOSER ideology would be the ultimate defeat, because we'd cease being what we are and become LOSERS like them.
I don't quite understand your passionate hatred of the Nazis. Had they won, the West would be secure, in all likelihood.
And any real American hates losers more than anything else. I know I do.
I have never used this as a rule of thumb for allegiance. I don't think you do either. I mean, you don't let polls dictate who you vote for do you? I am willing to lose in the short term, understanding full well that this struggle transcends one lifespan.
I want to save America QUA America. I surely do not wish to sacrifice her on some pagan, LOSER tuetonic altar.
Fair enough.
Leave the LOSER Nazis rot under the rubble of Berlin, where they belong - the trash heap of history. Re-discover who we were, and what we can achieve again, as a proud, sovereign and free European, Christian and English-speaking Republic.
I agree that being an American nazi is nowhere. In fact counterproductive. But I don't have a gut dislike of the nazis. I reserve that for the real enemies of my blood, which the nazis never were.
We need to reinstitute Christendom, not sell her soul to some weak and adolescent minds with fantasies of goose stepping in sharp looking Nazi uniforms.
I agree.
Or at least any real patriot will resolve to die trying. Join me in that.
Im willing to die trying, even if I die on the losing side. Im on your side. Never doubt that.
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2003-10-26 17:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Oddly, the Russians are the only ones who seem to really empathize with the Nazis, but that's one of those paradoxes of history that will never be fully fathomed. Best to consign that one to the murky depths of the Slavic soul. Walter[/QUOTE]
No doubt, this is based on some real-world data. And not just because you like something that sounds intriguing and paradoxical.
2003-10-26 18:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]No doubt, this is based on some real-world data. And not just because you like something that sounds intriguing and paradoxical.[/QUOTE]
I'm just speaking from my own, rather considerable experience. I actually know Russians who give each other the Nazi salute. Odd. No doubt, I generalized too broadly.
I understand that you don't have any particular use for the Nazis.
I have a visceral disdain for the Nazis.
Lord, but I despise them.
Walter
2003-10-26 18:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]As for the bannings, here is my take:
I recommended to Tex that he clean the Gibbon vs. "Euro-Cabal" thread up.[COLOR=Red] As far as I was concerned, some of EG's own material there was as obnoxious as Leland Gaunt's posts[/COLOR]. Personally, I would have prefered to see LG, Fade, and FB suspended temprorarily (perhaps for a week or two to cool off) rather than banned outright or for an extended period.[/QUOTE] I know at least 20 men who died in Vietnam. I will not have their deaths or deaths of American soldiers mocked. Most especially Gaunt but including his gutless friends, did just that. My suggestion that they clone themselves was meant to help them realize what they were and are - pieces of Sh*t. I noticed that very few members of this forum agreed with me. But so be it.
I also remember that when the United States was invading Iraq, how many members were crying about the coming slaughter of American troops. Some even seemed to glory in it. There were only two posters who called the resulting events correctly, Ed Toner and myself. Both are older than the average and served in wars. To many here war or violence is to be reserved for others while they escape. Make no mistake. If things are to change, some people will have to be ready to fight. This includes AntiYuppie and Paleocon Avatar, if he can be found.
2003-10-26 18:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I'm just speaking from my own, rather considerable experience. I actually know Russians who give each other the Nazi salute. Odd. No doubt, I generalized too broadly. [/QUOTE]
You'll probably find many more Nazi-saluting people in the US :lol:
There is some considerable Germanophilia in Russia, perhaps due to some shared history before WWII. And after the amount of WWII movies made in the Soviet Union, the Russian version of the American Indians vs. Cowboys game is naturally "ours" vs the fascists. While some of the movies were outright propaganda trash, some did portray the Germans as efficient and skillful enemy with less moralizing. Also don't forget the butchery of Stalin and inevitable conslusion that Hitler was better for the Germans than Stalin for the Soviets.
It's interesting that despite the intents of the communist ideologists, the over-saturation of the TV and movie screens with WWII theme did humanize the Germans a bit.
2003-10-26 19:51 | User Profile
I love the land and our ancestors who fought and died to take it in order to create the nation, and I "pledge allegiance" to the pre-1865 America the Confederates were fighting to preserve (and hopefully we'll live to see a similar White America once again - one we can truly call our own), but I loathe the jew-owned, clap-riddled whore that is AmeriZOG with all my heart. It works tirelessly against the continued survival of the White descendants of the founding stock, and against the interests of Whites the world over. Piss on it from a great height.
As for Mr. Gaunt, I must confess that I didn't like his tone either. "America this, America that. The sun shined out of Uncle Adolf's ass, it did! He never put a foot wrong, and he never brutalized foreign peoples, either - unlike frigging America!" Now, I agree with IR that Hitler was a great statesman who accomplished a near miracle in turning Germany around and ripping the filthy hands of the usurping jew from the levers of national control, and that as the most important man of the 20th Century he has much to teach us, but he did indeed blow it. Part of this was due to his egomaniacal belief in his own infallibility, and part to his overreaching territorial ambitions. So I don't need his starry-eyed devotees constantly and insultingly harping on America's criminal misdeeds and mistakes, while ignoring those of their idol.
2003-10-26 21:53 | User Profile
gibbon's point is about honor and loyalty among friends or soldiers in the military. A good point, but does that mean that just because someone signed up, they must serve ZOG without questioning?
2003-10-26 22:10 | User Profile
Madrussian --
Yes, that is my point regarding the "flag-waving, pro-America" types. They are dangerously close to being FR members [note: I said close, not are]. These are the type of people who go ape if you burn an American flag. The Johnnie Reb flag [1], I would care about it if someone burned it, because that Reb flag means something. But the current U.S. flag? Who cares if someone burns it? It stands for USrael.
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[1] confederate flag
2003-10-27 21:23 | User Profile
I'm astonished at the brouhaha created on this thread and the other infamous "American Wars" thread. Absolutely astonished. Anyway, I agree with NBF, AY, Bardamu, Franco. We must continue to spread the word that America under ZOG control is not the government representing the survival of the White race. In fact, it is already destroying the White American country that we used to know and it's evil forces are speeding up. Places like this forum do a great service in it's getting that word out there. But damn the torpedoes.... I hope OD doesn't turn into Free Republic. :sad:
2003-10-29 03:21 | User Profile
N.B.Forrest, hit the nail on the head, the tyranny of the Unitarian thug's in Mass. the Banker's and other thug's who used the Federal Govt. to murder U.S. Attacking the home state of George Washington, and then when the people of the South surrendered they were mistreated to this day, especially by the filth, that took over our education, as most do not KNOW the history of how wrong the U.S. govt. was in attacking the citizen states of the South. The filth the run's the media has vilified the south as long as they have had their hand on it's control lever's, .. WW1 and WW2 were against our very interest's and lead directly to Korea, and the mess we are in today!.. If we are to die, let U.S. die for our land's and blood..