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Thread ID: 10671 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2003-10-22
2003-10-22 20:27 | User Profile
I know it's got a Jew problem. But isn't Russia mostly White? Why the economic difficulties over there? Still recovering from communism? Too much vodka? What gives?
2003-10-22 20:42 | User Profile
While I am by no means an expert on Russia I do know lots of Russians and visit that once great nation at least two times a year. Basically, you should understand that being under the iron heel of the worst economic, social and political system ever created for roughly 70 years has had monstorous systemic effects that will not go away any time soon. I will also point out that the economy is principly run by hand full of jew syndicates which have prolonged the misery of noble peoples of Russia although it seems that some progress has been made in the last few years to reduce the tightness of their strangle hold. Also, Russia has very substantial probelms with Asians and Muslims of various sorts as well as Western influence which is designed to advance interests other then those of the Russian people.
I will however say that I am optomistic about the future of Russia and things are far better then they were 10 years ago in some respects.
2003-10-22 21:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I know it's got a Jew problem. But isn't Russia mostly White? Why the economic difficulties over there? Still recovering from communism? Too much vodka? What gives?[/QUOTE]
I'd appreciate if you addressed the issue in a more civil manner. The Russains endured 70 years of Bolshevik incompetancy and I'll post an article about how American capitalism kept it alive for so long. Anthony Sutter wrote a book titled "the best enemy money could buy" about how America supported and kept communism alive. Without that support, communism could've fell as early as the 1930's. Even Solzhenistyn criticised American support for the USSR and their role in keeping the USSR alive.
2003-10-22 22:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]I'd appreciate if you addressed the issue in a more civil manner. The Russains endured 70 years of Bolshevik incompetancy and I'll post an article about how American capitalism kept it alive for so long. Anthony Sutter wrote a book titled "the best enemy money could buy" about how America supported and kept communism alive. Without that support, communism could've fell as early as the 1930's. Even Solzhenistyn criticised American support for the USSR and their role in keeping the USSR alive.[/QUOTE]
I can't help but say that coupled with the picture of a military garbed Ferris Bueller in your signature, this whole Russian shtick is starting to get humorous.
Communism in the Soviet Union is America's fault.
Putin got a hangnail. America is responsible.
Yeltsin was a drunk. Must've been America's fault somehow, too. Right?
Again, I thought you said you were an American?
2003-10-22 22:39 | User Profile
Tex wrote:
Communism in the Soviet Union is America's fault.
Yep! Good call, Tex.
Note to all newbies: FDR recognized the [largely-Jewish-run] Soviet Union in Nov. 1933, in a meeting with the Jew Maxim Litvinov [sp?, have to check], long before Hitler was a "problem." American aid/recognition did indeed save the asses of the Communists. Without FDR's Jewish cabal aiding them, the Soviets would have crashed-and-burned long before the Cold War.
Thanks, Jews. [That's called "naming the Jew" for you newbies; do it, or lose our cultural/racial war; ain't no way around that].
2003-10-23 00:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I can't help but say that coupled with the picture of a military garbed Ferris Bueller in your signature, this whole Russian shtick is starting to get humorous. [/QUOTE]
Thats Mikhail Lermontov and that was totally below the belt Texan! :angry:
Read about the New Economic Deal and how Lenin was so eager to invite American businessmen to Russia. In fact Russia was called "the second America" during the 1930's cause so many American businesses were eager to do deals with the Commies. Even the History Channel had a thing about this called "Yanks for Stalin".
If you think this is so hilarious Tex why don't you listen to Congressman Steve Symms who said **"... History has proven that the Soviet Union's planned industry feeds on the industrial freedom of the West. It would long ago have died a natural death, had it not been for the repeated injections of lifeblood that are still being pumped into it today." (Congressional Record, Oct. 16, 1973, as quoted by the Freeman Report, 15 Feb. 1974, p. 1). **
So obviously many members of the US government did not find this funny!
Like I said read the book "the best enemy money could buy" [url]http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html[/url]
You can also read Dr. Harold Pease's "the Communist-Capitalist Alliance" [url]http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/alliance.html[/url]
** "One of the chief German financiers of the Russian Revolution was M. M. Warburg, who made millions available to the Russian Communists through a bank in Sweden. In America, Jacob Schiff, a partner and brother-in-law of Warburg, contributed $20 million to the Russian Revolution." (Paper Relating to the Foreign Relations of the U.S.-Russia, 1918. House Document no. 1868, U.S. Government Printing Office. See also extensive treatment of this question in Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, by Antony C. Sutton, Arlington House, New York, 1974). **
So thanks America for supporting a regime that massacred half my family!
2003-10-23 00:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Again, I thought you said you were an American?[/QUOTE]
Yes I was born in America. Why do you keep asking me this question?
2003-10-23 01:07 | User Profile
Oh, sorry, Tex -- I did not realize that you were being funny. My bad.
Oops.
But, yes, the Warburgs and Schiff did fund the Bolshevik Revolution, so America is, in some way, partly to blame, esp. when you consider my earlier post about FDR. So, half-a-point to Perun...
Sorry, again...
2003-10-23 01:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Oh, sorry, Tex -- I did not realize that you were being funny. My bad.
Oops.
But, yes, the Warburgs and Schiff did fund the Bolshevik Revolution, so America is, in some way, partly to blame, esp. when you consider my earlier post about FDR. So, half-a-point to Perun...
Sorry, again...[/QUOTE]
Hey Franco here's some more interesting facts.
** [url]http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/alliance.html[/url]
HOW U.S. AID REPEATEDLY SAVED SOVIET LEADERS McDonald, quoting from a review of the book National Suicide, by Dr. Antony Sutton (the leading authority on East-West trade), continues:
"... It was primarily U.S. technology that kept the Bolsheviks on their feet after their 1917 coup d' etat, that maintained them through the Depression, and that has kept them alive to this date.... "The major areas of technical assistance to the Soviet Union, which have been directly or indirectly used in military applications are: (1) weapons, including explosives, ammunition and guns; (2) tanks, trucks and armored cars; (3) ships; (4) airplanes; (5) space technology; (6) missiles; and (7) computers.
"In the area of weapons, aid was forthcoming from the United States even before the Bolsheviks had consolidated their hold on Russia after the coup." (Ibid.).
Solzhenitsyn could not have said it more clearly.
MILLIONS IN AMERICAN RELIEF FUNDS HELP SAVE LENIN Meanwhile, the American Relief Administration (A.R.A.) headed by Herbert Hoover, poured 700,000 tons of food and supplies worth $60 million into Russia. (Facts on communism, pp. 133-134). What America did was merciful, magnanimous, and in good faith, [u]but it relieved Lenin and his followers from their greatest fear - a successful counter-revolution because of the famine.[/u] A much better program for the United States would have been to await the counter-revolution and assist a free Russian populace with food and supplies rather than to insure Lenin's retention of power. As it turned out, the Russian people were denied the opportunity to free themselves, and the West now fears an enemy which it helped to build. Ironically, the memory of this great and merciful American deed has been stamped out of Russian literature. Equally ironic is the fact that half of Germany is now held captive by the Soviet government which the Germans insisted upon preserving.
AMERICAN CAPITALISTS REPLACE MOST EUROPEANS BY 1929 American technical leadership began to replace German leadership in rebuilding the Soviet Union.
"Of the agreements in force in mid-1929, 27 were with German companies, 15 were with United States firms and the remaining ones were primarily with British and French firms. In the last six months of 1929, the number of technical agreements with U.S. firms jumped to more than 40." (Sutton, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development, 1917-1930, pp. 346-347). The new program was announced, however, only "after a sequence of construction and technical-assistance contracts with Western companies had been let. The Freyn-Gipromez technical agreement for design and construction of giant metallurgical plants is economically and technically the most important." (Ibid., p. 347).
EXTENT OF AID "ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE" During the early thirties, the amount and type of "aid and comfort" to the Soviet Union was almost unbelievable. In 1930 the Ford Motor Company established the Russian motor car industry by constructing a factory "capable of turning out 140,000 cars a year." By the end of the decade the factory, at Gorki, was one of the largest in the world. Ford also provided training for the Russians in assembling automobiles "plus patent licenses, technical assistance, and advice," and "an inventory of spare parts." (Keller, East Minus West Equals Zero, pp. 208-209, 215-216). Americans also built, in the Soviet Union, the largest iron and steel works in the world; patterned after the city of Gary, Indiana. The huge steel complex, built at Maginitogorsk, was constructed by a Cleveland firm. (Ibid., pp. 209-210).
U.S. RECOGNITION ABORTS COUNTER-REVOLUTION IN 1933 The billions of dollars worth of Western technology, indeed some of the most advanced technology in the world, had not prevented what may very well be the single most devastating famine in world history. Understandably, the Russian people were unable to endure much more and Communist leaders were planning to save the Party by overthrowing Stalin and blaming the Soviet economic fiasco on him alone. Stalin knew this and needed a way out. It was at this critical moment when, to the surprise of the rest of the world, the United States chose to recognize the USSR. As soon as Communist legitimacy was recognized by the world's greatest capitalized nation, Stalin's prestige immediately rose. The financial credit of the Communists skyrocketed overnight. In return, Maxim Litvinov assured Franklin Roosevelt that American Communists would no longer seek to overthrow the United States government! (Skousen, The Naked Communist, p. 125).
AID FROM THE WEST INCREASED By the mid 1930s conditions began to improve significantly in Communist Russia. Recognition of the Communist government was a boost of enormous magnitude as were the hugh industrial complexes left by the Capitalists of the West. The Soviet leaders felt an entire decade would be necessary "to master the new processes, install all the equipment, train workers, bring the subsidiary plants into phase with the main plants (a major headache), and expand operations." When the Russian brag of the great gains toward industrialization made in the Five-Year Plans, they fail to mention that nearly all of it came from the West." (Anthony C. Sutton, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development, 1930-1945, p. 344).
The story of "aid and comfort" to the West's avowed enemy between 1936 and 19400 continued to follow the same pattern. Much of it continued to come from the United States:
"... All refineries in the Second Baku and elsewhere were built by Universal Oil Products, Badger Corporation, Lummus Company, Petroleum Engineering Corporation, Alco Products, McKee Corporation, and Kellogg Company. Advanced steel-rolling mills were supplied under the United Engineering agreement, and in 1938-39 the Tube Reducing Company installed a modern tube mill at Nikopol and supplied equipment for another. In 1937 the Vultee Corporation built an aircraft plant outside Moscow." (Ibid., p. 345). **
Now Sutton makes an interesting point about Russian development before the Communists. ** RUSSIAN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE TSAR An examination of our trade history with the Communists gives strong evidence that the Solzhenitsyn claim is not in the least exaggerated. Returning to the Bolshevik revolution, the reader might be surprised to find that the Russians under the Tsar were far more advanced, prior to 1917, than we had thought. "Airplanes and automobiles of indigenous Russian design were produced in quantity before the Bolshevik revolution. Although industrialization was restricted to a few population centers, it utilized modern, efficient plants operating on scales comparable to those elsewhere in the world. Further, there were obvious signs of indigenous Russian technology in chemicals, aircraft, automobiles, turbines, and railroad equipment. "Not only did such technology exist, but it was left almost totally undisturbed by the Bolshevik revolution of 1917. What then caused the economic calamity which followed 1921? One thing is certain. It was not brought about by absence of operable productive facilities." (Antony C. Sutton, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development, 1917-1930. Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Stanford University, p. 344). **
So while American industry helped advanced the Soviet regime, it was largely because all the great scientific minds of Russia fled. If the Bolshevik revolution didn't happen, you can make a good case that Russia would have been far more developed by the 1930's than it already was.
2003-10-23 05:11 | User Profile
I regret to say Perun is correct about the states being key to the survivial of the CCCP and as a result, successive American governments are substantively responsible for the Soviets being in a position to inflict missery around the globe. Certainly I strongly object to the wild, viseral anti-Americanism that one sees so much of but it would be nice if at least a few more Americans realized that for a great many decades the governments that ruled in their name have made them widely hated with some justification. The fact that so many Americans are oblivious to that reality combined with the vulgarity of the "ulgly American tourist" and the strutting pomposity of the yahoo/freeper set also makes a great many think that what's rotten is more then the government. I of course realize that the problem is that the propasphere makes it very hard for Americans to think critically on such matters but it's damn hard to convince others to not be globally anti-American but rather point out to them America is still part of the Occident and our brethern across the sea need and deserve our comradeship as we need and deserve theirs.
2003-10-23 06:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=triskelion]Certainly I strongly object to the wild, viseral anti-Americanism that one sees so much of but it would be nice if at least a few more Americans realized that for a great many decades the governments that ruled in their name have made them widely hated with some justification. The fact that so many Americans are oblivious to that reality combined with the vulgarity of the "ulgly American tourist" and the strutting pomposity of the yahoo/freeper set also makes a great many think that what's rotten is more then the government. I of course realize that the problem is that the propasphere makes it very hard for Americans to think critically on such matters but it's damn hard to convince others to not be globally anti-American but rather point out to them America is still part of the Occident and our brethern across the sea need and deserve our comradeship as we need and deserve theirs.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly!
2003-10-23 12:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=triskelion]I regret to say Perun is correct about the states being key to the survivial of the CCCP and as a result, successive American governments are substantively responsible for the Soviets being in a position to inflict missery around the globe. Certainly I strongly object to the wild, viseral anti-Americanism that one sees so much of but it would be nice if at least a few more Americans realized that for a great many decades the governments that ruled in their name have made them widely hated with some justification. The fact that so many Americans are oblivious to that reality combined with the vulgarity of the "ulgly American tourist" and the strutting pomposity of the yahoo/freeper set also makes a great many think that what's rotten is more then the government. I of course realize that the problem is that the propasphere makes it very hard for Americans to think critically on such matters but it's damn hard to convince others to not be globally anti-American but rather point out to them America is still part of the Occident and our brethern across the sea need and deserve our comradeship as we need and deserve theirs.[/QUOTE]
Very good written, if a president of the US would say this and that he wants to change the country he would have more support in the world than any other president of the US before. But, I think he would be hated in his country like no president before him...at the moment.
2003-10-23 19:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Leland Gaunt]Mr. Warburg was about as "German" as Gusinsky and Berezovsky are "Russian". I also think they are mistaking the Warburg with [B]Parvus Helphant[/B] who was the initiator of the "swedish connection" and also for getting Lenin on that train through Germany.[/QUOTE]
You were quicker in your response than I was. Exactly my words.