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An Explanation And Request For Feedback 2/6/02 | 9 Posted on 2/6/02 6:45 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator
Last night there were some posts made which I feel were difficult to handle for many reasons. I am unsure if I made the right decisions with them, so I wanted to post a timeline here of what went down and give some explanation as to my rationale, and open it up for some discussion. Yesterday afternoon, a poster named FrostFire posted this thread titled 2001: The Year Antisemitism Raised Its Head.
At 12:26 PM Pacific, diotima posted to it:
To: BenF Are you saying that any criticism of Israel or Sharon is Anti-Semetic? I don't think that is fair statement. I am critical of things done by other governments but I don't think that makes me "Anti-England" or "Anti-Anglo."
I have expressed unhappiness about some of the decision Bush has made, I don't think that makes me "Anti-American" just like when I criticized Clinton I wasn't "Anti-American."
As someone who is Jewish, I think it is important not to toss the AS word around too casually. It undermines LEGITIMATE instances of Anti-Semitism when they appear.
12 posted on 2/5/02 12:26 PM Pacific by diotima
Shortly thereafter, FrostFire dropped a bomb:
To: diotima It undermines LEGITIMATE instances of Anti-Semitism when they appear. My dear. Just what do you consider a "legitimate" form of anti-Jewishness? Is there such a thing? Is erroneously blaming Israel for the Trade Towers bombings a legitimate form of anti-Jewishness? In almost every instance of crimes or verbal abuse against Jews, the blame tends to be placed on the Jews and not on the perps as if Jews, simply by being Jews asked for it and got what they deserved.
You say, "As someone who is Jewish, I...."
Which kind of Jew are you, and what, if anything, would send you into Nazi chat rooms where Jews are hated? You must be very brave, or you are a masochist, or you are not being very truthful. Or is it all in what the meaning of As is?
15 posted on 2/5/02 2:18 PM Pacific by FrostFire
To: FrostFire
My point was only that criticism of Israel, policies of Israel or the government of Israel is not indisputable evidence of anti-semitism. Did you even read what I wrote?
Blaming the WTC bombing on "the jews" is absurd. But that is not the same as questioning or disagreeing with political decisions of Israel. I have criticised the US government under Clinton (and many others have as well) this does not make me anti-American.
If you want to play the "Who is really a jew" game, I am not interested. Simply put, I do not think it fair to assert that anyone who takes issue with Israel's policies is an anti-semite. If that makes me less of a "jew" in your eyes, so be it.
16 posted on 2/5/02 2:28 PM Pacific by diotima
To: diotima
That isn't what I asked you, but it was a great try at obfuscation. I asked you why you run to Nazi chatrooms if you are indeed Jewish. A simple answer would suffice. Yes, I read your post very closely. That is why I asked the question. You are either truthful or you are not. It can't be both.
17 posted on 2/5/02 2:33 PM Pacific by FrostFire
To: FrostFire
Where the hell did I say I run to Nazi chatrooms? What the hell kind of slander is that? I have NEVER at any time been in a Nazi chatroom.
I lost a large part of my family in the Holcaust HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT I AM A NAZI SYMPATHIZER. YOu either provide evidence RIGHT HERE IMMEDIATELY that I hang around in Nazi chatrooms or retract your lying statements.
18 posted on 2/5/02 2:41 PM Pacific by diotima
To: diotima
Well, we could ask mercuria. We could ask vanguard online, or we can post a teensy quote like this one from a long diatribe, one of many, at the site where you have sooo many good friends:::
(But I suspect you will now tell me that you don't know about Carol, Zoroaster, or Sertorius, either.)
"Evil thy name is Jew - the verb. And God is dead in any world where they are allowed to live." - Carol
22 posted on 2/5/02 4:04 PM Pacific by FrostFire
To: FrostFire; Mercuria
First of all, it is bad form to talk about someone with out letting them know to defend themselves.
You have NO PROOF that I post on any Nazi sites, that I have ever posted on any white surpremists/jew hating sites, that I read the sites you mentioned or that I know any of the people you have referenced over there.
Simply put you are an intellectual dwarf, who has NO ability to defend the content of your assertions other than name calling and slander.
Have you stopped molesting little boys yet?
26 posted on 2/5/02 4:20 PM Pacific by diotima
To: diotima
You know full well you are lying through your teeth and I have more proof than you can imagine. You also know I can't post it here or I would be banned. But you won't get away with calling me a child molester and think that ends it, because it won't. You have not answered my questions. I have answered yours. The lie is on you. And if it comes down to it, to prove how much of a liar you are, I will post the WHOLE damm thing and let you ride it to hell.
28 posted on 2/5/02 4:30 PM Pacific by FrostFire
To: diotima
You have NO PROOF that I post on any Nazi sites
Perhaps you would be kind enough to give us a definition of a nazi/anti-jewish site? Would a site dripping with content like "Have Jews killed God?" qualify?
I'm kind of curious as to where you place the treshold for a site you would use.
29 posted on 2/5/02 4:31 PM Pacific by Cachelot
To: diotima
Does Sobibor West ring a bell, di?
31 posted on 2/5/02 4:38 PM Pacific by FrostFire
To: Cachelot
I don't know of the Nazi sites at all, BECAUSE I DON'T POST THERE.
Would a site dripping with content like "Have Jews killed God?" qualify? UH YES, you bet your ass that would qualify. Now if you have proof that I have every posted on a site that has said that, I would like to see it. 32 posted on 2/5/02 4:39 PM Pacific by diotima
To: FrostFire
No, It doesn't.
33 posted on 2/5/02 4:40 PM Pacific by diotima
To: diotima; Frostfire
First of all...thanks for pinging me, Diotima.
Frostfire..."Nazi chatrooms"?
You'd BETTER have a public apology to both Diotima and me for that scurrilous bit of libel, kid...
34 posted on 2/5/02 4:41 PM Pacific by Mercuria
To: Cachelot
Actually, I don't post at anyother sites except this one and a currently private forum called the Liberty Forum, which is libertarian in nature.
35 posted on 2/5/02 4:43 PM Pacific by diotima
To: FrostFire
I want you to post HERE, the proof, you filthy liar.
36 posted on 2/5/02 4:44 PM Pacific by diotima
To: FrostFire
I don't know who the hell you are but calling anyone who disagrees with you or the policies of Israel an antisemite is despicable. Diotima's comments were correct and you owe her an apology. Her comment about you being a child molestor were only to show how easy it is to make baseless accusations on the internet...as you did to her. I don't know what your game is but it's beginning to smell...real quick.
37 posted on 2/5/02 4:51 PM Pacific by Bob J
I was unaware at the time that any of this was going on. Someone, right about the time Bob J posted this (and as such I bet it was Bob) hit abuse on the thread: The poster of this thread has turned it into a cesspool of accusations. I say BEGONE! I came online sometime after that, and saw the AR. I was having some problems connecting so it took a few minutes for me to look into some things (such as looking into FrostFire's other posts that I could find). I decided that allegations made without proof shouldn't be left up on the site, so I took down the post. I also called it to Jim's attention. Further, I emailed FrostFire and said that if he (turns out he is a she) had any proof, to give it over to me or to Jim, otherwise I was not going to let that discussion of unproven innuendo stay up. A short time later, this post was made by FrostFire on another thread:
To: Malcolm;Mercuria;diotima;BobJ;veronica;Alouette;Old Hickory I don't lie about anybody on this board. I don't pretend to be more innocent than the driven snow and demand apologies from people who have no earthly reason to lie. So you get no apology from me today. And if this gets me banned, it was worth it to show you for what you are.
And now, BobJ, I believe, your apology to me might be in order.
Everyone on this board screams when threads get pulled because they say Jews want them pulled which is seldom the case. The thread to which this is a response was pulled because the heat in the kitchen got too close to the truth. You allowed them to demand proof they posted at anti-Jewish and anti-everything sites and pulled the thread before it could be presented. Well, here it is. Now what.
Mercuria Member Group: Members Joined: Nov. 2001
diotima New Member Joined: Nov. 2001
Topic Title
A Deeper Peril The Death of American Culture
Some Traitors Are OK, Some Are Not Israel Firsters Are More Dangerous Than
Israel, Zionism, and the Racial Double Standard Israel Uber Alles
Sobivor West Have Jews Killed God?
Laura Bush Endorses ADL Project (The Bush-B'nai B'rith Alliance)
25 posted on 2/5/02 5:45 PM Pacific by FrostFire
After mulling it over for a while, I decided to restore the earlier thread. My reasoning was as follows.
I went back to the original thread, and looked at what allegations FrostFire had made to see if any were inaccurate. Here are the allegations I saw:
Which kind of Jew are you, and what, if anything, would send you into Nazi chat rooms where Jews are hated? I asked you why you run to Nazi chatrooms if you are indeed Jewish. at the site where you have sooo many good friends I verified that Dio is a member over on originaldissent. Her name is registered over there. She posted this about it last night: To: Cachelot The board is not called an anti-semetic board/jew hating board. It's a PALEOCONSERVATIVE discussion board.
37 posted on 2/5/02 6:09 PM Pacific by diotima
She also said "I registered at OriginalDissent, months ago I maybe posted one or two comments there." I then checked to see if it was a reasonable, defensible position to take that it was a Nazi/Jew hating site. This article had such quotes as Readers ask me why I haven't been commenting on the news. Well, it's because I'm in pretty much the same mood as I was in late September. On 9/11, I was sitting in a small boarding house in Durbuy, Belgium, staring at the TV, and saying to myself - "Those ####ing Jews -- Those disgusting Jews. THIS time they really did it." and Evil thy name is Jew - the verb. And God is dead in any world where they are allowed to live. A Google search showed that this was from the anti-Semitic site Carol on the Web, and had also run on the Nazi site VanguardOnline and NewNation, among others. I found this article by David Duke called Is Russia the Key to White Survival?, Today Africa, tomorrow America, and this article called The End of Whitey. I found all of the articles that FrostFire claimed were there. I decided it was a reasonable, defensible position to take that it is a Jew hating site, with some Nazi-friendly posts and posters. I checked to see if Dio seemed to be "friends" with any of the posters over there. I found that in her posting records, there were many exchanges with people who post over there (such as Campion Moore Boru, Ouroboros-who has a prominent link and graphic for original dissent in his profile, and Mercuria- who was posting over there last night after all this went down) Since it appears to me that the allegations were factual, then I thought about if it should come down (or stay down) anyway. I decided that this was something that Diotima and Mercuria are going to have to deal with eventually, since each are taking high-profile roles within the FRNetwork and radio shows and such. Clearly, to my eyes, just claiming that OriginalDissent is merely a paleo board won't cut it if and when the Network becomes a viable political force and the liberals start examining it more closely. I thought about what would happen if ReaganGirl was on TV on Hannity and Colmes or something similar, and Colmes were to ask her about fellow Board members on the network being members of sites that say some of the things I linked to above, and claimed that such boards are merely a legitimate type of conservative forums. I decided based on this that just sweeping it off the site would not have been the right thing to do.
And I think the Network has a problem on their hands.
1 posted on 2/6/02 6:45 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator FWIW only.
I came into contact with FrostFire about a year and a half ago, during the time when speculation was rampant that Clinton might make an attempt to remain in office by declaring a "national emergency," or by some other ploy. She posted quite a lot to the old "Trannie" threads generated by Nita Nupress and others.
I found her comments there intriguing, to say the least, and she and I engaged in private correspondence for some few months. The more I talked to her, the more I became convinced that she was knowledgeable, had some access to "inside information," and in short, was somewhat more than what she appeared to be.
I asked her a series of questions over time in an attempt to come closer to her real identity and her specific purpose on FR, and specifically her reason(s) for making the comments she made to the various "Trannie" threads. The end result of my questions and her answers led me to ask her one specific question: "Are you a member of the Mossad?"
That was the day she quit posting at FR as "FrostFire" and severed all contact with me, to the extent that she changed her ISP (apparantly), and closed all the e-mail accounts I had knowledge about.
When she reappeared yesterday, I sent her a FReepmail saying "Hi! Long time no see. Be well."
Her response, which I didn't really expect to see, was "Aye, aye, Sir. Doin' muh best."
And let me repeat, this is definitely FWIW!
sm3
2 posted on 2/6/02 7:15 AM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator Interesting.
Not sure what to make of that, or of this.
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3 posted on 2/6/02 7:25 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator I want to qualify something I said:
Since it appears to me that the allegations were factual, This reminds me of the end of the movie Absence of Malice when Sally Field's character responds to a reporter's question of if something is true with "No, but it is accurate". It appears to me that the actual allegations that FrostFire made were true, but the inference that she and a few others appear to have been trying to make was not proven. I saw no evidence of Dio (unlike Merc) having posted over there since any of those articles went up, and she never participated in any of the questionable discussions. So the allegations may have been true, if not completely accurate. 4 posted on 2/6/02 7:31 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator For now, I'll just post additional information. 8
FrostFire is Nix 2 and NixNatAVanGInDaBurgh. Why does this poster require 3 screen names? Why does this poster bring this information to light? Some of the posters on the ping list include: veronica; Yehuda; Joe Montana; vrwc54; dennisw; Top Quark; Cachelot; Don Joe; angelo; d4now; 2sheep; the rest are cut off.
FrostFire Signup 2000-08-10 Messages 76 articles, 3432 replies Status Active FrostFire posts Started posting as FrostFire on 2/5/02
NixNatAVanGInDaBurgh Signup 2001-08-31 Messages 28 articles, 1245 replies Status Active NixNatAVanGInDaBurgh posts Last posted as NixNatAVanGInDaBurgh on 1/4/02
Nix 2 Signup 2001-12-29 Messages 4 articles, 575 replies Status Active Nix 2 posts
Started posting as Nix 2 on 12/30/01, last posted on 2/6/02
diotima Signup 2000-06-29 Messages 78 articles, 3587 replies Status Active FAB Member, visable in the success of the FR Network
There are two issues, one, why is FrostFire exposing diotima? Does FrostFire know more about diotima than is letting on? Does FrostFire have a vendetta against diotima? Second, and I agree with your concerns, 9. Why would diotima lie about her association with this web site? What is her motive and what is the real reason for her membership? This is not good for FR network if it would ever be big and was found that diotima was in anyway associated with nazi hate site, even remotely. That's it for now. 8
5 posted on 2/6/02 8:02 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator OK, here is what I know about the screen names.
I don't know why the change from FrostFire to the NixNat name. SM3 may have hit on why up above.
When Nix 2 started posting, I saw somewhere her explain that that change was because she was no longer getting flagged to threads because the name was too long for people to remember.
9
6 posted on 2/6/02 8:15 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator;Jim Robinson This is definately something Jim should look at. I am very troubled by this information and don't have the answers. 9, I think you handled this as best as possible.
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7 posted on 2/6/02 8:22 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator On the posting dates:
As SM3 pointed out, FrostFire used to post, a lot. Then she vanished, to reappear 1/26 for a few posts, and then last night to drop these bombshells and also to reveal that Frost=Nix.
NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh stopped posting the day that Nix 2 registered, until 1/4 where it posted 3 times. One of the posts made it sound as if the reason that account was used again was to get something from it (perhaps a freepmail?):
You do have a way about you, Registered. This is fantastic!!! and just the thing to get me off here with a smile. DENNIS! Nix 2. If I hadn't come to check just in case, I'd have missed this and THIS is priceless
I would love to know why the first name change, and why the name change back. I think you are right, 8, understanding motives here is important.
8 posted on 2/6/02 8:24 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator I think you did the right thing. I think leaving those threads up should be a heads up warning to the Network. This will not be the first time diotima has been at the center of controversy for them.
So the allegations may have been true, if not completely accurate.
diotima has surrounded herself with good friends who are known anti-Semites (Network members excluded). She did not hesitate to publicly defend some of those that we banned for that very reason on the 1600+ post Censored Free Republic thread posted by Jim last November. I do not believe it is our job to protect her simply because of who she is. If the allegations in this thread could not be backed up, then it would be the right thing to do to pull the thread. However, the allegations can be backed up. I'm not sure how it can be said they aren't accurate.
9 posted on 2/6/02 9:16 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Forgot to sign that last post - Magnum
10 posted on 2/6/02 9:18 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator Hi sm3, you're missed. 8
11 posted on 2/6/02 9:25 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator Here, here. Good to see you, SM3. Hope you come back in force soon enough!
12 posted on 2/6/02 9:54 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Probably just a cat fight. I sincerely doubt that Diotima is a nazi sympathizer.
13 posted on 2/6/02 11:41 AM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Thanks for the kind words, 8 and Magnum. I'm afraid I'll be staying in "lurker" status for the foreseeable future, though. Things have reached "crunch time;" I'm sure you all know how that can be.
The first draft of my thesis is due Mar 15, with oral defense and final version due Apr 1. I'm committed to attend a three day convention in Atlanta Feb 25-27, and the Youth Center where I serve on the board just lost its lease and needs to find a new home within the month. [sigh]
However, my wife and I just celebrated our 20th anniversary, our son reports a 3.3 GPA after one semester and one "winter term" at a college where he is one of some 250 valedictorians in the entering Freshman class (the competition is quite stiff), and our daughter was just notified that she has the #1 ranking in her Junior class at H.S. Plus, I've so far lost 15 lbs on my weight reduction regimen, and feel just fine. There's always good mixed in with the bad, don't you think?
BTW, I FReepmailed FrostFire again, asking if she left so suddenly because I had offended her in some way. So far, no answer. :)
To tell the truth, I honestly didn't believe I could go more than two months without posting to the forum. It's amazing how much time has been freed up, even with the "lurking" (which I can't seem to control for more than a day or two at a time...).
When you see me back in a public way, that'll mean all my irons got pulled back out of the fire, for good or ill. At this point, I'm not real certain I care that much which...
:)
14 posted on 2/7/02 6:00 AM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: admin moderator Got the following from FrostFire:
1) Why did you stop posting as FrostFire and start posting as the two Nix characters? FrostFire became a target. It is the name of my own business, FrostFire Inc. I became aware of a certain chapter of Storm Front operating from the North Hills suburb of Pittsburgh and a National Alliance chapter operating in the South Hills. The KKK is very active in my neck of the woods where my business has an office. I began receiving very strange telephone calls, had my life threatened, and that person is now in jail.
Before that, I didn't take part in the anti-Jewish threads very much, but enough to refute some of the more horrendous lies that were being posted willy-nilly all over the place after the election. I envisioned that if it kept up, Jim's dream was going to be turned to trash, diverted from its original premise.
I love Jim Robinson. I was at the original March for Justice by sheer coincidence as I was working in DC then. At the time of the March, I was preparing to leave DC, having been on the receiving end of the clinton unjustice department for whistle blowing. I joined Free Republic when it first started and before it became very well known. My screen name then was JhiaRaine and I was so afraid of the government, that I only posted twice, both posts in support of Linda Tripp whom I still consider a hero.
After the last post for Linda, I went off the board and never came back for over a year. When I did, everything was different and JhiaRaine was defunct. The screen name could not be found anymore. So FrostFire was born.
Nix InDaBurgh came about because of my anger at how this board was being infested with people from ALL of the neo-nazi groups, some using Pat Buchanan as an excuse for posting anti-Jewish and anti-Bush slurs, lies, and insults, and after Sept. 11, posting in favor of the terrorists who perpetrated the shock on America's national psyche.
Pittsburgh is where I was born and isn't so far from here except in drive-time. My family, friends, and co-workers are there. I attended Carnegie Mellon University there and still do CERT work for CMU.
2) Did you change your email addresses when you made that change, and if so, why?
Yes, I did because my original email address was overflooded almost daily with some of the most outrageous stuff you can imagine. I had given it to a few people that I thought were trustworthy and I can't identify where the email all came from because it came from everywhere, forwarded by anonymizers and other such means. It got so bad, that when I did try to download my email, I got messages from my server that my quota had been surpassed and much of my email, which might or might not have been important was gone. I deleted all of it and the next day, the same thing.
I joined Firetalk and the first time I tried to test it, when no one was supposed to be online with it, I got a virus from someone claiming to be IN Firetalk support, who wasn't. When I posted it, because I was afraid others would be infected, private emails between Jim and me confirmed that it wasn't the program, but someone had hacked in and burned me pretty good. Since then, I have allowed no telephony or instant messaging programs on my computer.
3) Why did you choose to reappear as FrostFire?
Because FrostFire was/is familiar to some of the good guys still on this board who know that I came here for the politics going on in this country and NOT the exclusively Jewish POV. Almost offhandedly, I decided to check FrostFire selfsearch and found messages and pings from some of these people were coming in all the while I wasn't posting as FrostFire. Some of the FR mail was from people who expressed worry and though I tried in various ways to let them know who Nix was, I never told them directly and Nix pretty much stuck with trying to explain Judaism to those who hadn't a clue, and to answer the anti-Jewish posters with facts, and yes, sometimes insults to those who knew the facts but kept posting lies anyway. Many times I questioned why they would do this to FR when we had finally become an actual political force to be reckoned with, even begging that it stop because they weren't just hurting Jews, they were destroying all the credibility of Jim's and our hardfought battle for recognition as a REAL Conservative, Constitutional defense forum. It was pretty clear that was their goal. They didn't just go after Jews. They were anti-Catholic, anti-Black, anti-Bush, and pro white European, (whatever that is,) using their version of Christianity as a weapon to back up their obscene attacks. And then, the real Jihadists who get banned and come back within seconds of being banned as someone else, continuing exactly where they left off.
Loyalty to Jim and a dire sense of forboding for the board if this kept up has always been behind every post I have ever posted as NixNat, and Nix2.
I had freepmailed John and asked to shorten my nic from the longer Nix to the shorter one because so many people asked me to. I can't begin to tell you how many people wanted to know what the name meant so I finally posted it publicly...after explaining it over and over via frmail to anyone who asked. When the question kept coming and John's promise that the software would allow nic changes never materialized, I reregistered as Nix2, and transferred my entire profile page to it, since removed, accepting the new membership date. It didn't seem fair when so many of the older posters seemed able to change their nics at will without losing their original signup dates, but I did it and said so, again, very publicly. There is no one on this board of any consequence who doesn't know that both Nix's are me...one and the same. It wasn't done in secret and wasn't meant to be secret. I didn't want to be lumped in with those people who get banned and come back to get banned again.
In all the time I've ever been here, I have never committed a banning offense, and I have never hit the abuse button on anyone except once for something that was totally beyond the pale and I wasn't alone. And I have seen posts pulled that I have not agreed with, but never complained about because my theory has always been to let the guilty hang themselves. By hitting the abuse button, no one can see how outrageous some of these posters are. And I think the more people see it, the less seriously they will be taken. But it isn't for me to judge. It's Jim's and John's board, or at least that is the way I will always think of it. Their rules apply, not mine. So I abide by their rules.
4) Why did you have such a fascination with the Trannie threads, and what insight can you give to me regarding them?
I HATE the corruption of this government by the clinton administration. It will echo and continue to ripple for years to come. 9/11 is a sample, but by no means the end of it. The trannie threads were a warning that no one paid attention to, and we are seeing the results being played out on almost a daily basis. My posts to the trannie threads were about Loral, clinton's most bizarre executive orders, the manipulations of the stock market, the hillary connection, and clinton's MO. ie., he was always out of the country either right before or right after something horrendous took place. If you've a mind, you can check my posts regarding the USS Cole or the VOA memo and the outrage at our Military being denied their votes. I was on that sending and speaking to people BEFORE it became public on this board, and emailed Jim to let him know...as FrostFire.
5) Why Pittsburgh?
Already answered. And I love Pittsburgh. It is one of the most beautiful cities in the country.
I despise nazis and nazi sympathizers. I also despise those fascists in our own government who seek to disregard a fetus as a child and compare it to a leech. I despise those who seek to disarm us. I despise those who would silence us. I despise those who have invited homosexuality and Jihad to be taught in public schools. More like that.
Have I done something you consider wrong? A phone conversation from today, although I have not gone to check, warned me that Mercuria and friends are enraged over at the other forum. I never would have even looked there, as I had never heard of it at all, but for a heads up by a very reputable poster via fr mail. Members of that forum post frequently here, but on THAT forum, they have no compunction of putting up their own email addresses on, or adverts to, orgs like Storm Front, et al.
I am NOT a member of ADL and wouldn't be if they invited me because I think they are so leftist I couldn't stand it. But their saving grace is their unrelenting research on true Nazi groups by whatever name they choose. Other than that, I agree with almost nothing else they do or have done in the name of Jews because I think they are very wrong. I guess that's it. Your call or Jim's call. I don't want to hurt Free Republic in any way.
FWIW. 15 posted on 2/7/02 6:36 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Interesting, to say the least. Also plausible, if perhaps not all the truth. I'm not in the business of divulging confidences, so I will only say that what has been left out is fascinating. Of course, there is always the possibility that everything she told me privately was not in all cases true.
Puzzles within enigmas within conundrums. And I used to think that Alice in Wonderland was all fiction!
Through "lurking" for today, now. :)
Oh ... #14 was mine, if anyone was wondering, since I forgot to sign it (I think).
sm3
16 posted on 2/7/02 6:49 AM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator I have reviewed the posts of Diotima on Original Dissent Forum.
Her profile lists 3 total posts, two of which, appear on a search. If there is a third post, it does not appear on the search.
The posts are:
New Member
Group: New Members Posts: 3 Joined: Nov. 2001
Posted: Nov. 08 2001,01:04
Hi Guys, lets see how this thing works..........
diotima
New Member
Group: New Members Posts: 3 Joined: Nov. 2001
Posted: Nov. 13 2001,11:00
Quote from ouroboros, posted on Nov. 12 2001,01:34Quote:
HOLLAH!
Hi O!
I was very jealous you had a "special icon" so I found one for myself, this will be an icon test.
Yeah, I spend all weekend watching abfab reruns...
It appears she registered in November, posted a couple of times and did not return. I am speculating that she was alerted to the existence of a new Paleo-Conservative Forum and had no idea whatever of some of the material that was later posted there. SM7
17 posted on 2/7/02 8:03 AM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator Very plausible, SM7. I know that Arator had created a new screenname here while banned, and used a particular thread on FR to recruit people to that site (I forget the name now, but I remember when it happened).
But what a vile place that turned into.
Did you read the "Welcome FrostFire" thread that went up over there? 9
18 posted on 2/7/02 8:12 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator I remember the name now. MoDeadTaliWhackers. 9
19 posted on 2/7/02 8:15 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator "Did you read the "Welcome FrostFire" thread that went up over there? 9"
Yes I did. Welcome FrostFire!
I notice Mercuria on that thread, and while I believe Diotima had no idea about what that forum became, the same cannot be said for Mercuria. I notice on the links of Mercuria's Profile she lists, Carol On The Web, a nasty anti-semetic site. SAMPLE
SM7
20 posted on 2/7/02 8:39 AM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator Yes, Carol on the Web is where that Sobibor West article (which they mistitled Sobivor West on OD) came from.
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21 posted on 2/7/02 8:49 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson What is the policy on allowing racist or anti-semetic links on user profile pages?
SM7
22 posted on 2/7/02 8:54 AM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator This issue is being discussed over on the FAB, right here.
The owner of OD is a Freeper who was formerly banned. I am not certain, but I think that is Arator, although it may be someone else. I do know that Arator was involved in the early promotion of the site. 9
23 posted on 2/7/02 9:11 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator So if I understand this right, Diotima is to be tarred as an "anti-Semite" and a "problem" because she 1) has posted to a site that has links to or reprints of articles that have appeared on hate sites; and 2) because she is friends with people who also post to said site. Is that the gyst of it?
The problem, then, is that none of these things -- either her "participation" on a hate site, or her guilt by association, reflects anything negative about HER. Does posting a rebuttal to an AF rant make the poster an AFer? Does my scouring DU make me a DUmmy? (Not that I ever venture into those polluted grounds.) I have visited some of the neo-Nazi sites. They are hilarious. You've never seen a dumber collection of evolutionary throwbacks in your life! Does that make me Goebbels' valet?
I think it is extremely dangerous to label a person based on their participation on other sites. Free Republic is not the be-all/end-all of the Web, and many of us have eclectic political tastes. Let's never let our conservatism become the excuse for an Inquisition.
Aside from the fact that Dio is nominally Jewish, the thought of her being Nazi is ridiculous, if you know anything about her political leanings.
While I don't object to your letting the thread stand, since I think Dio can handle herself in a street fight, I don't agree with your assessment of her or of this label. Furthermore, I don't think it's the moderators' responsiblity to pass judgment on a person's outside interests. The posts from Frosty were clearly personal attacks, and largely irrelevant as well. We can't let Free Republic degenerate into sniping wars between personalities.
24 posted on 2/8/02 5:53 PM Pacific by IronJack [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: IronJack "I don't agree with your assessment of her or of this label."
I did not make any assessments of her nor did I state that she is an anti-semite.
I pointed out that while the things that FrostFire had asserted were true (that she was a member there, and it right now could accurately be described as an anti-semitic site that is friendly to Nazi groups), and also said that some of the things that FrostFire was trying to imply were certainly not proven, especially since Dio had not posted over there in months and when she did post over there, it did not have on it what it does now. I point you back to this comment from me:
This reminds me of the end of the movie Absence of Malice when Sally Field's character responds to a reporter's question of if something is true with "No, but it is accurate". It appears to me that the actual allegations that FrostFire made were true, but the inference that she and a few others appear to have been trying to make was not proven. I saw no evidence of Dio (unlike Merc) having posted over there since any of those articles went up, and she never participated in any of the questionable discussions. So the allegations may have been true, if not completely accurate.
My main concerns are twofold. I believe that this is going to come up again, and as such Dio and the network are going to have to be prepared for it. Second, with the high profile Mercuria keeps trying to attain using the Network, her continued participation over there as well as her participation over at Sam Francis and her profile linking to Carol on the Web and other questionable sites not only risks putting the Network in a position of having to answer some difficult questions in the future, it also discourages participation by others who want nothing to do with these people. I know, because it is one of the main reasons I have not been actively participating in the Network. 9
25 posted on 2/9/02 6:33 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator So the allegations may have been true, if not completely accurate.
And if this phrase was not clear enough, let me make it clear now. The allegations I saw made were that she was a member over there, and that it is an anti-semitic site friendly to Nazi types.
Anything further than that falls into the if not completely accurate portion of my phrase.
26 posted on 2/9/02 6:36 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Mercuria is not on the Board. As to whether she is a member of the Network, I can't say. But it is impossible to vett every Network member. So we're bound to have some who are Nazis, Klansmen, lawyers ...
The Network does not need to be concerned about Mercuria's penchant for right-wing extremism unless she starts rolling our name into her activities. I must say I'm surprised about her leanings; she seemed to have a brain.
27 posted on 2/9/02 6:42 AM Pacific by IronJack [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: IronJack OK, I just didn't want you to mistake what I was saying as some sort of attack against Dio for her participation (better described as a lack thereof) over on OD. Although honestly, she really should have guessed that Arator was not going to lead her to anything but trouble.
One of the ironies is that had this exchange happened after Jim "unleashed" us, I would not have fretted about it at all. It would have been yanked immediately.
28 posted on 2/9/02 6:49 AM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin moderator
Magnum, here are the mails you sent to the AM account: freepmails to Magnum NEW
Admin Moderator 2002-02-20 11:32:04
trouble?
REPLIED
Nix 2
2002-02-20 07:57:47
Sent to me via private email early this morning. Trouble brewing. Don't like it. Looks like a plan forming to attack the board and Jim and FR all at once.
askel5
(maverick)
02/07/02 12:26 PM
Request for Assistance: FR Bannings re: Israel [ Post 15562 ]
I am in the process of researching those FR posters shredded by the
militant Israel-First contingent.
Because folks now are nuked entirely, it is very hard to piece
together
edited threads and collect names and copy.
I will very much appreciate names of posters who were banned for
arguing
on Israel threads and any "worst case" instances of over-the-top and
out
of bounds behavior by extant posters on the other forum.
** Please don't be tempted to use this post as a platform for griping
about the other forum.**
I contend that Jim and FR are no more or less immune than our media,
our
government and our public square to the coercion, intimidation and
smear
tactics employed by those on the other forum who appear quite
confortable with labeling others "anti-semites".
I simply am researching in an effort to KEEP posters alive who make
the
mistake of taking on the Zion_ists in the future. I don't think
there's
a better kill ratio on the other forum and I believe it's past time
the
bloodshed was stopped.
I'm tired of having one of the most essential topics of foreign
policy
-- the US's unquestioning support of Israel -- shut down for fear of
being banned.
Thank you.
texoma
(rebel)
02/07/02 12:33 PM
Re: Request for Assistance: FR Bannings re: Israel [ To:
askel5 |
Post 15564, reply to 15562 ] (Score: 1)
A few recent ones: ObjetD'Art, madrussian, glassheart3,
FreeSpeechConservative, teenager, weisbrot.
CommiesOut probably knows them all. I have weisbrot's banning thread
saved.
What are you going to do?
Re: trouble? (Nix2)
READ
Magnum
2002-02-20 08:11:51
Anything you send me I will keep in strictist confidence, but I have to ask...
Why are you sending this to me and what do you expect me to do with it?
Re: trouble?
REPLIED
Nix 2
2002-02-20 08:19:26
I don't expect you to do anything except, maybe, not be surprised if there IS something going on. You seem level headed and intelligent. I don't like seeing people get blindsided...and I despise feigned innocence.
Re: trouble? (Nix2)
READ
Magnum
2002-02-20 08:26:49
"I don't expect you to do anything except, maybe, not be surprised if there IS something going on. You seem level headed and intelligent. I don't like seeing people get blindsided...and I despise feigned innocence."
Please explain in more detail? I wouldn't be surprised either, but I probably would be surprised at the concerted effort some people will put into their missions.
I appreciate the fact that you don't like to see people get blindsided. Was that comment directed at me or someone else?
What do you mean by your comment you despise feigned innocence? Who or what was that directed at?
I'm sorry if I'm not catching on. Sometimes I do require a brick on the head.
Re: trouble? (Nix2)
READ
Magnum
2002-02-20 08:29:08
I'm not saying I can't help or that you came to the wrong person, but I need to be clear about what is going on before I can do anything or do nothing, depending on what the best course of action or no-action is.
Re: trouble? (Nix2)
READ
Magnum
2002-02-20 08:31:20
What is the "other forum"?
Re: trouble?
READ
Nix 2
2002-02-20 08:59:39
I don't know what all this is about. But figure it is better to know what's coming at you. I've been blindsided myself by some of these people and it's not pretty. Ask a question and get accused of smearing someone who is completely innocent of ....what? In the meantime, an entire swarm smears me by taking statements out of context, taking them to other forums, and sending people from other forums here. Now what is going on?
As a for instance, why was the Black Metal thread pulled? I have no idea why, how, or by whom.
But someone is paying attention. These things just come. I don't ask for them. This came after the first one I sent you.
askel5
(maverick)
02/07/02 12:46 PM
Re: Request for Assistance: FR Bannings re: Israel [ To:
texoma |
Post 15570, reply to 15564 ] (Score: 1)
I'm not looking to get myself banned, of course, and actually am
operating out of concern for the integrity of the site (as well as my
peculiar sense of justice and fair play which even extends to
defending,
ick, Guilders on occasion =).
I've announced that I'm headed to the dumpsters to find concrete
material on which to base further discussion on the FAB Board. I
trust
you don't mind my coming here for help but I fail to see how I could
possibly post such a thread on FR without its turning into some kind
of
juvenile free-for-all before being deleted.
We'll see what happens. I may end up having all sorts of time to
spend
here having managed to add my own name to the list of those the
ZION_ISTS have gotten banned ... however obliquely. Am cleaning out
my
locker in any case.
I appreciate the names and indeed will appreciate any saved copies of
threads. You can attach them to an email to: [email]askel5@hotmail.com[/email] Thanks.
askel5
(maverick)
02/07/02 12:26 PM
Request for Assistance: FR Bannings re: Israel [ Post 15562 ]
I am in the process of researching those FR posters shredded by the
militant Israel-First contingent.
Because folks now are nuked entirely, it is very hard to piece
together
edited threads and collect names and copy.
I will very much appreciate names of posters who were banned for
arguing
on Israel threads and any "worst case" instances of over-the-top and
out
of bounds behavior by extant posters on the other forum.
** Please don't be tempted to use this post as a platform for griping
about the other forum.**
I contend that Jim and FR are no more or less immune than our media,
our
government and our public square to the coercion, intimidation and
smear
tactics employed by those on the other forum who appear quite
confortable with labeling others "anti-semites".
I simply am researching in an effort to KEEP posters alive who make
the
mistake of taking on the Zion_ists in the future. I don't think
there's
a better kill ratio on the other forum and I believe it's past time
the
bloodshed was stopped.
I'm tired of having one of the most essential topics of foreign
policy
-- the US's unquestioning support of Israel -- shut down for fear of
being banned.
Thank you.
Post Extras:
askel5
(maverick)
02/07/02 12:29 PM
Re: Request for Assistance: FR Bannings re: Israel [ Post 15563,
reply to 15562 ]
Flag to: texoma, astoria, madrussian, kulak, objectD_art
Post Extras:
texoma
(rebel)
02/07/02 12:33 PM
Re: Request for Assistance: FR Bannings re: Israel [ To:
askel5 |
Post 15564, reply to 15562 ] (Score: 1)
A few recent ones: ObjetD'Art, madrussian, glassheart3,
FreeSpeechConservative, teenager, weisbrot.
CommiesOut probably knows them all. I have weisbrot's banning thread
saved.
What are you going to do?
Re: trouble?
REPLIED
Nix 2
2002-02-20 09:01:25
[url]http://www.libertyforum.org[/url]
I didn't save a copy of my last message to Nix2 which was something along the lines of "thanks".
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29 posted on 2/20/02 12:36 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator I think this is the thread over there: Here we go.
30 posted on 2/20/02 12:37 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator From the SamFrancis forum:
Euroman Member posted 02-18-2002 05:23 PM
Alex Linder comments on the closing of Samuel Francis Online (edited in accordance with Original Dissent?s posting guidelines):
I am highly displeased by the closing of the Sam Francis Forum. I did not have time to go there much, but when I did, there was always something intelligent posted. Much better than the People's Free Republic, run by paralympian [JimRob]. VNN does plan to open a similar forum at some point. The problem is that such a thing both costs money, and perhaps more important, requires a fair amount of time in technical administration. Until I have those in place, I won't do it. Readers should note the recent uptick in k suppression: 1) Sam Francis forum closed (no reason given); 2) Bill White pressured out at Pravda by Rockwell, Raimondo, Horowitz and brethren ks at FrontPage (anybody with copies of the letters they wrote behind the scenes, please forward so I can post them); 3) Jeff's Archive dropped by k**e-pressured ISP. Until [Jewish power is] destroyed, nothing will change. American politics consists completely, wholly and in toto of the Jewish Problem. Nothing else matters; all depends on its resolution.
[url]http://forum.samfrancis.net/Forum3/HTML/000709.html[/url]
31 posted on 2/20/02 1:32 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator More from the same thread:
circular ruins Member posted 02-19-2002 04:24 PM
i hope some of the clowns who say "it's not the jews' fault" realize that they are our main opposition. think about all the things that were said on this forum about black crime and mexican immigration, but it was only jews who bothered to attack us. without jews directing things, there is no way the total censorshop of prowhite information in the american media would exist. even if aracial whites were running things, some prowhite stuff would slip through. ignoring the jews' role in the destruction of our race and civilization will not make them stop attacking us. we have to fight back. if that isn't done, then we won't survive. that's the way the world is.
and none of this "but it's our fault for letting them" nonsense. that's talmudic twisting of the truth if i ever heard it.
32 posted on 2/20/02 1:35 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Jim Robinson lol So White is out at Pravda? Interesting.
And Raimondo is part of the Zionist conspiricy? lol
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33 posted on 2/20/02 1:40 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson Thank you for posting my freepmails 9. I'm still a little baffled why they came to me.
Wow. Some interesting members at the new site - even Storm Orphan. Arator, diotima, madrussian, Askel5, texoma, Aaron Armitage (A.J.?), Central Scrutiniser, Carry_Okie (?), francisandbeans, annalex, malador, Carbon, LSJohn, and a few I don't recognize. Wonder which one is Mercuria?
hrm. Magnum
34 posted on 2/20/02 2:51 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Magnum, that flat answers the Askel5 question, you were right she is up to something. The question, now, is what to do about it?
SM7
35 posted on 2/20/02 3:04 PM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator To throw another layer of complexity on this, despite the fact that some of what Nix said in earlier emails meshed with what my own eyes were seeing in the forum, I have done some checking on that side.
The people I know in Pittsburgh have seen none of the nazi activity that supposedly was the impetus for that name. Further, I have searched in several places (various online phone directories, both Yellow Page and White Page, and via google) for anything on a FrostFire, Inc, and have found nothing. In other words, while some of the info coming from that direction appears to be solid, I am by no means ready to say "I fully trust that one".
FWIW.
As for Askel, unless she gets out of hand and starts actually posting the same vile crap as her chosen allies, I recommend doing nothing. If the forum can tolerate Z2's bullshit (which I don't think we should be, but that is another thing), then we can tolerate Askel's Vision Quest. We might have to pull some of her things, but I would hate to play into her hands with a ban. Unless she goes really far off the deep end, in which case I suggest Jim do his change the password magic.
Dontcha love her theatrics though? I mean, stop the slaughter! The killing of posters! The bloodshed! Oh, the humanity! 9
36 posted on 2/20/02 3:13 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator 9, That sounds good to me.
The only thing that may be a problem down the road is that if the Sam Francis posters migrate to that new forum and it becomes the same kind of racist cesspool, we have several members of the FAB on record posting there.
The AFers et al. could make some hay with that.
SM7
37 posted on 2/20/02 3:39 PM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator;Admin Moderator It the simple fact that so many people think these web sites are the 'be all to end all'. On one end, you have the AFer's complaining about the policies and corruption here. One the other end you have the Anti-semites. The internet is a bigot, racist and gay haven. I compare it to short band radio or ham operators, the really far right's forum of choice. I believe we see more of this type of behavior because the internet is unregulated. I'd rather put up with the fringe elements than the government.
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38 posted on 2/20/02 4:07 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Magnum, Mercuria is already there although she has not posted recently.
SM7
39 posted on 2/20/02 4:25 PM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator 8, I don't want government control on the net either, except for things like child porn and other criminal activities.
The issue here is what the adversaries of Free Republic can do against us with the posts at FR and the positions of Forum leaders and where they choose to express them. It is not a matter of law, but of politics and public relations.
SM7
40 posted on 2/20/02 5:08 PM Pacific by Sidebar Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Sidebar Moderator I agree, the public relations issue is big. In order to have impact, we need to present ourselves as 'mainstream'. Hence, moderators. Jim can't possibly do it himself, heck it's almost impossible with 9 of us. The afers must be banned and ignored. We are presenting the other side, conservatism, sorely lacking in the "regular" media.
One of the anti-FR sites has 12 posters (I have more hits at my rummage sales), the other makes too much insane noise. Are they really taken seriously? They just want to show their feathers. We need to ignore and ban them without due process. And if you don't know their MO, you might think it's true.
Joe Average conservative, who votes and decides on the electorial college and is totally unaware of this fact doesn't see it that way ~ until they learn from this site ~ which is one intent of this forum. I think the people who read this forum who 'matter' are smart enough to determine the the disruptors vs the legimate complaints. Until need husbands, wives, college students, workers: the other side of the liberal equation. We can have all the "Buchananites [insert flavor of the election]", but we will be considered 'fringe', 'VRWC', or whatever until we can get the masses. That was Jim's statement on the FAB. Until we get a somewhat conservative leadership in politics we will not see any meaningful conservative changes.
41 posted on 2/20/02 5:54 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator Editing error:
Until need we have husbands, wives, college students, workers: the other side of the liberal equation, we will never see the true intent of our constitution, and will be overrun by the liberal/socialist/marxist agenda.
42 posted on 2/20/02 6:02 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Moderator
43 posted on 2/20/02 6:28 PM Pacific by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Admin Mod
2003-10-22 15:11 | User Profile
Wow, Recluse.
I'm surprised you found this openly available on the 'net.
2003-10-22 15:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Wow, Recluse.
I'm surprised you found this openly available on the 'net.[/QUOTE]
It's a tribute to you, my friend.
Well done.
Walter
2003-10-22 15:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Wow, Recluse.
I'm surprised you found this openly available on the 'net.[/QUOTE]
I saw it this morning in the Biker Bar section over at Liberty Post. Someone actually managed to squeeze something interesting in between TLBSHOW's incoherent rants.
[url]http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=25682[/url]
2003-10-22 18:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]It's a tribute to you, my friend.
Well done.
Walter[/QUOTE]
Seconded.
Sure wish I could remember which banning thread of mine that was- probably the one where I pointed out to Veronica that she was punching the Sayanim clock on an admirable basis. After tallying up a few weeks of her FR output, she averaged out to something like nine hours daily, thirty-five posts per.
Or maybe it was the ironic/sarcastic use of "Schvartzer" ban...
2003-10-22 18:31 | User Profile
Thanks Walter and White Bread, but I simply stepped up to try and fill what I saw as an ideological cyber-void left in the wake of FR's paleo purge. I guess one could consider it a testament to the value of the free market.
The real signifcance of this thread at the time was how it makes plain that there were concerted efforts on the part of FR's management in secret chambers to target specific individuals for reprisals and likely banishment based solely on supposed "thought crimes" and/or unseemly possible associations that might hamper FR's main goal of attaining mainstream popularity. Seems like ages ago that this all went down though.
2003-10-22 18:53 | User Profile
I am rather amazed that this thread was floating about in public. However, basically what it shows is two things: 1) the freakers have far to much time on their hands to bother with petty intrigue while skulking about like a third rate KGB officer looking for those that say things they don't like. This is a good thing as keeps them from doing anything productive for the neo-con agenda. 2) I saw lots of talk about evil "anti-semites & racists" but not a single attempt to refute anything said by such denizens of all they deem unholy and as a result they simply prove they have nothing meaning to say on any vital issue.
As to Mercuria I have not seen her post here in a very long time. When she did she seemed to be nothing more then a run of the mill neo-con. After reading the opening post in this thread it seems that her dislike of the police state environs of FR make her a neo-con that rejects the logical outcome of that ideology and as a result, she may be worth listening to and talking with.
2003-10-22 20:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute] *Mercuria stood up for Carol! She has more intestinal fortitude than I gave her credit for. Not that that's going to get her any favors over at FR. But it gets her points with me. [/QUOTE]
That was before Carol's more eloquent rants :lol:
2003-10-22 20:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute]* What is a 'trannie' thread? Are there lots of transgendered persons on FR now? I hear there have been a lot of advances in the surgery, so this wouldn't suprise me. [/QUOTE]
If memory serves, trannie refers to some threads at FR in or around '98/'99 built on conversations between someone at FR and a secret or undercover operative within the Clinton administration. Very cryptic, cloak and dagger type stuff. Similar to the 'Deep in the Hurtgen Forest' affair if any others go back that far.
2003-10-22 21:32 | User Profile
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the distinct impression that - between the near-constant infighting, KGB-like monitoring & listmaking of 'troubling' independent thinkers on the FR rolls,and the many references to other boards being constantly posted to (or just watched, Foxman-style) - the average FR moderator has just enough free time in their day to manage two quick trips to the bathroom.
I barely have enough time to post [I]here[/I]! How do these folks pay their bills? Does JimRob divvy up the 'fundraiser' dosh among them equally, or are they on line outside the SSI office every first and fifteenth of the month?
2003-10-23 11:54 | User Profile
Some comments from RimJob:
Other forums were created by FReepers or were frequented by some of our members. Original Dissent and Sam Francis were two. Sam Francis was especially bad. It was a haven for racists, anti-Semites and bigots. :drool: Some of our members noticed that the Sam Francis members talked a lot about FR and gave me a heads up. Again, this was before moderators. Our members would alert me whenever they spotted a Sam Francis member making a run on FR or posting crap about FR. I think this was probably when I became aware of the fact that many of the so-called anti-immigration fighters have a whole lot more on their agenda than immigration. They'd let their hair down on Sam Francis forum and it was ugly. I definitely did not want FR to be associated with that crap.
There were a couple dozen of these blatant racists :drool: who would register on FR and post a bunch of crap and then go back to Sam Francis (or other forums) to brag about it. I'd ban them of course, but they'd come back with new email addresses. This battle went on for several years and began long before there were any moderators. Yes, if a poster made himself known as a racist :drool: or complete asshole on another forum and I caught the same guy on FR, I'd ban him if I was pretty certain it was the same person. And with most of them there was no doubt. They were very proud of their racist :drool: activities and barely bothered attempting to conceal it. But, otherwise, our members who joined other forums were not automatically banned from FR unless they became a problem poster on FR.
When Sam Francis himself finally had a bellyful of the racists, :drool: he shut down his forum and the racists, anti-Semites, :drool: troublemakers, et al, migrated over to Original Dissent or to LibertyForum and some to LibertyPost which were both up and running by then. These forums were created or inhabited by groups of people who were basically troublemakers on FR. Tinfoil hatters, wacko conspiracy nuts, tax-scammers, Bush trashers, anti-Republicans, anarchists, racists, anti-Semites, bigots, white supremacists, :drool: and other malcontents, sociopaths, and assorted bullies and troublemakers who would get banned from FR every time I caught them.
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I doubt if this goofy looking twit could even define racism and anti-Semitism, much less engage in a debate with a smart White racialist. And that's one of the major reasons for all the bannings at "Free" Republic, to protect these Freeperdolts from being exposed and humiliated.
2003-10-23 16:12 | User Profile
I clicked your link and saw a bunch of posts from Rat still obsessing about freak republik :disgust:
Since the only sane people left are what rimjob would call "racists and anti-semites", the denounciations are quickly losing their power just as the term "counter-revolutionary" eventually did in the decaying Soviet Union. Once the damage from uncontrolled immigration and the power of ZOG become more and more obvious even to the more dim, denounciations run out of steam quick.
2003-10-23 18:28 | User Profile
Interesting that, amid the "tinfoil hatters, wacko conspiracy nuts, tax-scammers, racists, and sociopaths", JR is careful to insert "Bush trashers" and "anti-Republicans".
Kind of says it all, don't it? I wonder why he left out "9/11 questioners" or "anti-Foxmans". Oops, there it is - "anti-Semites"!
My bad.