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Thread ID: 10626 | Posts: 75 | Started: 2003-10-20
2003-10-20 17:07 | User Profile
Notice that one of the contestants is an African woman described as "German". Huh? :wallbash:
[url]http://www.fox.com/joem/#home[/url]
2003-10-20 17:29 | User Profile
Ordinarily I'd say it's no more disgusting than the maiden flight of the JOE MILLIONAIRE franchise; but it's so obvious this edition is Fox's way of riling up the yahoos for still more France and Germany-bashing....yet another Hebraic attempt at convincing Joe Asshole (ie, the [I]viewers[/I]) that he has more natural kinship with the shaved apes in his town's housing projects than with his own kinsmen.
Particularly nauseating has been the voice-over ad copy, including the announcer snickering, "Does anyone know how to say 'sucker' in French?" Just as stomach-turning was Fox's product-placement of this guy in a field-level box for Game 1 of the World Series in what had to be the largest Stetson in captivity. The bigger the hat, the emptier the head inside it, I guess.
It's all part & parcel of what that study bore out the other day; to wit, [U]prolonged exposure to Fox programming actually makes you fu**ing [I]dumber[/I][/U]. I wonder if people truly understand what a symbolic blow for human freedom and dignity the hopefully-imminent death of Rupert Murdoch is going to be. Especially if it occurs with him surrounded by his family on a plane crashing into the side of a mountain.
2003-10-20 17:52 | User Profile
I wouldn't be suprised if FOX actually did that SNL spoof of "Joe Caucasian", where basically this negreo pretends to be white and the women don't know. With so many whiggers and other black wannabes these days, I can't help but think they'd actually get away with it.
2003-10-20 18:07 | User Profile
I looked at the link posted by Friedrich Braun, and I found that Fox has failed to add French, Spaniard, Russian, Danish women, among others, to it's European Joe Millionaire lineup. At least some of us were spared the disgraceful representation in a sickening show on Fox. I saw the commercial for this abomination while watching the The Hispanic Yankees vs The Hispanic Marlins World Series and it is clearly intended to degrade European Whites as being just as stupid and materialistic as boobus Americans.
2003-10-20 18:14 | User Profile
Especially if it occurs with him surrounded by his family on a plane crashing into the side of a mountain.
Feh! That's far too quick n' painless. I'm hoping for a Donner Party redux for the 21st century. If there's such a thing as karma, FOX will win the rights to do the made-for-TV movie.
By the way, ir, is everything all right with you? I'm sensing a little more vitriol behind the as-always great prose than usual.
Or is it you're on tikkun-overload like me?
2003-10-20 18:22 | User Profile
Nahh, I'm okay, more or less.
But I'll tell ya, I've been sensing a tailoff in the board activity here - I dunno, maybe it's perceived and not actual. Definitely a flagging energy level, though - no, make that synergy level. A lot of regulars seem to have fallen by the wayside, or are just posting less frequently. Meanwhile, ZOG's caissons keep rolling along, y'know?
2003-10-20 18:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jesuisfier]I looked at the link posted by Leland Gaunt, and I found that Fox has failed to add French, Spaniard, Russian, Danish women, among others, to it's European Joe Millionaire lineup. At least some of us were spared the disgraceful representation in a sickening show on Fox. I saw the commercial for this abomination while watching the The Hispanic Yankees vs The Hispanic Marlins World Series and it is clearly intended to degrade European Whites as being just as stupid and materialistic as boobus Americans.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I posted it, not Leland.
2003-10-20 18:41 | User Profile
But I'll tell ya, I've been sensing a tailoff in the board activity here - I dunno, maybe it's perceived and not actual.
No. Unfortunately, I think it's real as I have noticed the same thing lately. Seems like more guest traffic, though I wish they would delurk.
Perhaps everyone has said everything that needs to be said, you know? Sometimes I read stuff here and elsewhere and think, "Yeah, so what......??" That's no offense to the material, those that post it or the sites it appears on, but I think the choir can only hear so much preaching before it gets fatigued.
Taking nothing away from OD and Tex's efforts, I've been posting less lately, devoting some time to other, entirely legal of course, projects. I can't believe I have to throw in that obligatory disclaimer, but there it is. Just goes to show how late the hour is, I s'pose.
2003-10-20 18:55 | User Profile
Re: Fox
The only thing I watch on TV any more is the Weather Channel (which is quite PC enough by itself), but I pretty much get the idea about Fox from what I've read on this board and other websites. What kills me is that I keep hearing the liberals around me screaming and squawking that Fox is "right-wing" and "extreme conservative!" When I tell them that, no, Fox is a [I]neocon[/I] outlet, they look at me blankly and say "what's that?" To them, the world is divided into Saintly Leftists (represented here on earth by the Holy Democratic Party) and Right-Wing Extremists (everyone else with a White skin), and since Fox is obviously not PBS, it must fall into the latter category.
Unfortunately, a lot of discontented folks who might otherwise be tempted to seek the truth seem to have fallen into the same trap -- they watch Fox and imagine that now they're Independent Thinkers who've tapped into the Real Thing.
Byzantine though I admit it seems, I sometimes can't help thinking that the Fox Network was created with exactly that in mind. That is, defusing a large percentage of the potential opposition with a phony "conservatism" that's harmless to The Tribe and its interests.
2003-10-20 18:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Actually, I posted it, not Leland.[/QUOTE]
Friedrich, I corrected my post. Thanks.
Il Ragno, I feel the "drop off" too. It's real yet understandable. We're all still eating pretty well in 2003 Amerikwa.
2003-10-20 19:13 | User Profile
That is, defusing a large percentage of the potential opposition with a phony "conservatism" that's harmless to The Tribe and its interests.
Also see: Limbaugh, Rush. Former "conservative" radio darling, now discredited pillhead. Served as pressure-relief valve for any remaining moral instincts possessed by American people while tikkun olam proceeded apace. Discarded when usefulness was at an end. Similar to: Bush, George W.
Syn.: shabbos goy
2003-10-20 19:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] I've been sensing a tailoff in the board activity here - I dunno, maybe it's perceived and not actual. Definitely a flagging energy level, though - no, make that synergy level.[/QUOTE] Perhaps because they are starting to suspect that they are engaged in a "lost cause"? We may be beyond the tipping point, & that unpleasant reality may be setting in with some of us. But don't let me discourage some of you Don Quixote types from fighting the good fight even if it is all but over already...
2003-10-20 19:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Nahh, I'm okay, more or less.
But I'll tell ya, I've been sensing a tailoff in the board activity here - I dunno, maybe it's perceived and not actual. Definitely a flagging energy level, though - no, make that synergy level. A lot of regulars seem to have fallen by the wayside, or are just posting less frequently. Meanwhile, ZOG's caissons keep rolling along, y'know?[/QUOTE]
No guessing involved, IR. Our numbers and activity levels are dropping like a rock with no end in sight that I can see. I think we've managed to piss off just about every side in every debate at some point.
I figure if we're going the way of the dinosaur, we might as well burn it down ourselves.
2003-10-20 19:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Byzantine though I admit it seems, I sometimes can't help thinking that the Fox Network was created with exactly that in mind. That is, defusing a large percentage of the potential opposition with a phony "conservatism" that's harmless to The Tribe and its interests.[/QUOTE]
No doubt, Arkady. They took Rush and Hannity's radio shows and just transposed them to TV in order to captivate the "angry White males" who were sick and tired of Clinton and his liberal-hebraic cabal and their domination of the mass media. Now with Bush's bogus conservatism and Fox's lockstep in support of it all, we're all stuck with bullsh*t. The privilege of having boards like OD: Priceless!
2003-10-20 19:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] I figure if we're going the way of the dinosaur, we might as well burn it down ourselves.[/QUOTE] You've displayed an uncommon commensense about things from the very beginning of this forum and you've certainly earned my respect. I 've sensed you've had trepidations about delving too far into racial matters but were bulled over by some of the more intellectual and strident members here. I'm starting to think that your first instincts were right; keep things heavy on the paleo-conservatism and light on the racial stuff.
2003-10-20 19:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=damian]keep things heavy on the paleo-conservatism and light on the racial stuff.[/QUOTE]
pussy :lol:
By the way, paleo-conservatism is dead.
2003-10-20 19:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]No guessing involved, IR. Our numbers and activity levels are dropping like a rock with no end in sight that I can see. I think we've managed to piss off just about every side in every debate at some point.
I figure if we're going the way of the dinosaur, we might as well burn it down ourselves.[/QUOTE]
I hope I haven't pissed off anyone enough to stop posting.
Personally, I am not pissed at anyone here.
2003-10-20 20:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]I hope I hasn't pissed off anyone enough to stop posting.
Personally, I am not pissed at anyone here.[/QUOTE]
Well except maybe Rban, and hes banned!
2003-10-20 20:10 | User Profile
Sartre:
[QUOTE]My heart can't take this conversion. [B]Experience with vBulletin (all Versions) is not good.[/B]
Hope you buck the trend [B]and the usual fall off in traffic[/B].[/QUOTE]
Know this sounds crazy...but could it be VBulletin? I mean, all through the first half of '03, we just kept climbing and climbing...!
Or is it just the recent influx of Europeans changing the focus of the board?
2003-10-20 20:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]pussy :lol: .[/QUOTE] Be serious guy, ranting on an obscure message board ain't gonna do it. Either be realistic as to what can be accomplished, or all of this is nothing more than some jerk-off fantasy. As Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies, "a good man knows his limitations". I'm only interested in what can be realistically accomplished in the real world; everything else is a waste of my time and irrelevant. It is neurotic to spend excessive amounts of time on unrealistic goals. Introducing the level of racism into your arguments that you do strikes me as counterproductive, whether true or not. Are you happy being a beautiful loser because you know you're right? Get ****ing real, pal.
2003-10-20 20:19 | User Profile
Well, the band played on while the Titanic was sinking. They couldn't save the ship nor themselves, but they went down in glory doing what they always loved to do.
2003-10-20 20:28 | User Profile
damian,
how many you've converted? What have you done lately? You don't even have a goal worth persuing. You are so down already you have no hope of ever standing up.
2003-10-20 20:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian] What have you done lately? You don't even have a goal worth persuing. [/QUOTE] Who's the cynic here? I still post over on u- FR just to provide a dissenting voice, althought I don't consider that any big shakes. The best shot now is to stop Mexican immigration, get rid of quotas, and destroy the cult of political correctness. Introducing too much racism into this will screw the whole deal up.
2003-10-20 20:55 | User Profile
Damian has a point. Bash the Special Protected Species unrelentingly and you're going to lose the FOX News Lurker Contingent right at the outset.
On the other hand, how in hell does pretending 2 plus 2 equals anything but 4 (which offends too many people to be expedient) help matters in the least?
Read Ibsen's ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. Either the water's contaminated or it isn't. Some things in this world aren't open to a hundred different interpretations, all of them equally "valid".
2003-10-20 20:55 | User Profile
The sheeple gets dumber every year, and your technique, while a valid method of working with not totally brain-dead or with half-awakened, isn't a complete one. Patches on the broken system won't help.
2003-10-20 21:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Octopod]Note that VNN, for example, is continuing to [I]rise[/I] in traffic and [I]gain[/I] in popularity.[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you look at the most objective standard we have available to us for measuring these things, VNN's Alexa numbers have dropped 30% over the last three months, as well. Paleocondom is not alone it seems.
2003-10-20 21:12 | User Profile
"Paleocondom"?
Do they come in designer colors?
2003-10-20 21:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Our numbers and activity levels are dropping like a rock with no end in sight that I can see.[/QUOTE]
Let us remedy this trend with stimulus proven to elicit responses some furious: I see from the [URL=http://www.fox.com/joem/bios/tereza.htm]fox website[/URL] that Bohemia’s contribution to the lineup of hopefuls is second to none. This is not unexpected as the region has long been fertile soil for the finest specimens of womanhood that our Terra has to offer, a fact well known in fashion circles and the supermodel circuit, where their numbers are grossly out of proportion for what would be expected for a tiny nation.
Granted, there is something unnerving about relying on criteria furnished by an industry teeming with sodomites and Semites, but what the hell. The flip side, of course, is that it speaks to an abundance of souls willing to make fools of themselves on the world stage for a mere split-second of fame.
Oh well, here’s hoping the Texan has some qualities to him not readily apparent from his bio and pictures. Normally I would hope for his sake that he is, at the very least, average (in the traditional sense) in performing conventional chores expected of a man. Though not quite as spoiled as some of their western sisters (i.e., they’re gaining fast), Czech girls have as a rule no shortage of expectations and will make their demands plain. This is a constant that no pretty boy, even one in a hat, can hope to put off for very long. Of course these venues are nothing but magnets for the vainest and egotistical sort, so all attempts at characterization go out the window. Whatever the case, the “unexpected” monetary compensation going to the happy couple following their ordeal had better be significant, as there is not a chic here that’s doing this for 11K a year (a fact that is no secret to anyone).
2003-10-21 01:22 | User Profile
Well, I just saw the first episode, and I found it troubling.
The dude in question seems like your average, decent guy -- all the way. I usually make a point of not watching these emotionally horribly tasking shows. Again, itââ¬â¢s the same old same old. Take an average guy tell him to say an immense whopper, i.e., that heââ¬â¢s a multi-millionaire (a disgusting lie, when heââ¬â¢s worth precisely nothing, and, as a matter of fact, only squeaks out a living, -- breaking horses!). Then throw in a group of average women whoââ¬â¢ve been told the said whopper, i.e., that heââ¬â¢s mega rich, etc., and watch the bases aspects of human nature come out in a big way, thanks to the old proven formula. At the end of the tonightââ¬â¢s episode the viewer was privy to see highlights from next weekââ¬â¢s show: the claws were in full view, the cryingââ¬Â¦our guy saying that he ââ¬Åcanââ¬â¢t do itââ¬Â; that ââ¬Åhe wants to haul his butt out of thereââ¬Â, or words to that effect, etc. What a pathetic, sorry sight! Everyoneââ¬â¢s a foolish dupe on that show ââ¬â except for the sinister, scummy producers! Fox is exploiting peopleââ¬â¢s frailties once again, and theyââ¬â¢ve been making a true habit out of it for the past few years. And the viewer is drawn to participate in this collective voyeurism. Nice.
Aren't people tired of Fox's stale schtick by now?
Btw, since my tastes in women are well known on OD, it won't come as a surprsie to anyone which one of these women would be my choice:
The blonde Swedish bombshell Lina:
[img]http://www.fox.com/joem/bios/images/g_lina.jpg[/img]
2003-10-21 01:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]I hope I haven't pissed off anyone enough to stop posting.
Personally, I am not pissed at anyone here.[/QUOTE]
It may have something to do with the intra-white hate thread of the day or the latest blondes are great posts. But my personal favs are the Keltic Aryan Cephalopd cranium diameter posts. Always enlightening.
No, it ain't you.
2003-10-21 01:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Campion Moore Boru]It may have something to do with the intra-white hate thread of the day or the latest blondes are great posts. But my personal favs are the Keltic Aryan Cephalopd cranium diameter posts. Always enlightening.
No, it ain't you.[/QUOTE]
I guess that was directed at me.
It's funny that two of the three posts got over a 1 000 views, and the other one got about 400. Are you really objecting to those three posts on Northern Europeans? Gee, that must be it!
Get a grip.
What exactly pisses you off?
Anyway, I can stop posting at OD.
And after the disappearance of that good and long thread on the instrumentalization of the Holocau$t, a thread where fade (and others) wrote some lengthy and excellent posts (fade especially put a lot of time into that deleted thread), and where I also wasted a lot of time researching an answer, I'm thinking of leaving. I don't want to post in a place that doesn't even give you the common courtesy of letting you know that something will soon be gone (and why), so that you can at least save your info. What a waste of time.
2003-10-21 07:55 | User Profile
I have no idea who Joe Millionaire is but somehow I doubt it matters much.
I was reading over Damian's comments about race and a great feeling of unreality set in. Sometime back, I started a very long thread on Polinco about the failure of mainstream Paleocons and that thread got a lot of coverage here too although no one on the mainstream paleo side wanted to address the core issues at stake. In any case, real conservatism is racial as are the problems facing what reamians of the Occident and to pretend that you can conserve the West without resisting and reversing it's biologic destruction is moric and destructive in worst way. Given the advanced stage of our decline as a people and the consiquences we face if we keep on doing only that which has failed us the luxury of pretending that American style mainstream paleo-conservatism can acheave anything is one we simply can't afford. The only real question is how to make that which is required posssible.
I see lots of moaning here about the state of things and lots of questions about "what is to be done?" but I think what's meant is "what is to be done that takes no real sacrifce, won't interfere with my free time, is socially acceptable to those that want to destroy us and can it done by next election?". No respose exists to the last question but I and a great many others have pretty well fleshed out the former. Naturally, the former requires more then simply making a political wish list which is so often mistaken for a viable ideology as is simple nostalgia but I have seen damn little indication that American rightists wish to think about going beyond those things. I think i'll post my serries of articles on practical community activism once again but forgive me if I don' hold my breath waiting for the readership to get serious about acting upon all the angst floating about here.
As to the fall off in readership I'm not concerned because I see lots of very good posters here and plenty of indication that productive exchanges are takeing place. The new style board is hard to get used and I think that matters. Basically, what matters is the quality of posts and not the quantity provided that the forum has 12 or regular writers that have meaningful contributions to make rather then mere pissing & moaning or meaningless one liners.
2003-10-21 09:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE]As to the fall off in readership I'm not concerned because I see lots of very good posters here and plenty of indication that productive exchanges are takeing place. The new style board is hard to get used and I think that matters. Basically, what matters is the quality of posts and not the quantity provided that the forum has 12 or regular writers that have meaningful contributions to make rather then mere pissing & moaning or meaningless one liners.[/QUOTE]
As the author of more than my share of meaningless one-liners I resent that remark. I hate to break this to you - since you've thoughtfully laid out the regimen for us over at Polinco required for cultural renaissance - but it most certainly DOES matter if readership has dropped precipitously.
Polinco lies unmourned in a pauper's grave BECAUSE of the long-faced didactic pedantry of your Twelve Good Men & True, not in spite of them. You state " I started a very long thread on Polinco about the failure of mainstream Paleocons.... although no one on the mainstream paleo side wanted to address the core issues at stake" and I ask then why in the world was this thread so "very long" then? Because people were queeing up to second your remarks? How boring and unnecessary. I suspect that there was quite a bit of "addressing the core issues" but it was all dismissed with a wave of the hand by the stern schoolmaster who began that thread.
I also suspect the recent influx of new OD regulars are those very same Polinco dullards. They killed one board dead with their glum, arid humorlessness and are busy digging a grave for this one as well. Then they'll blame the drying-up of discussion venues on the stupidity and vacuousness of "Americans".
2003-10-21 10:12 | User Profile
Concerning the boardââ¬â¢s fall off in numbers it may be that youââ¬â¢ve reached an ideological critical mass. Either you transfer all the ideas hashed out here into real world activism or you die. The ideological debate is over and whatââ¬â¢s left is merely a contest of form over substance. Paleocon, patriot, nationalist or 'racist hater', it doesnââ¬â¢t matter if you have nothing in the real world to tie your colours to.
[QUOTE=il ragno]I suspect that there was quite a bit of "addressing the core issues" but it was all dismissed with a wave of the hand by the stern schoolmaster who began that thread.[/QUOTE] Suspect? Have you not read the thread then? The core issues were not addressed but neither was the issue of White nationalismââ¬â¢s utter failure. Itââ¬â¢s the two stooges, paleocon Moe and White nationalist Curly, slapping each other over the head for their collective failure.
2003-10-21 10:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Suspect? Have you not read the thread then? [/QUOTE]
I dimly recall it but - Polinco having gone the way of the dodo - I cannot go back and [B]re[/B]-read it.
[QUOTE]The ideological debate is over ...[/QUOTE]
Your extreme naivete is charming. "Hey, [B]I'm [/B] convinced, and so are a few dozen other people who think just like me....look alive! -it's time to take back the West!"
No, the ideological debate has not yet [B]begun[/B]. "Debate" requires an [I]opponent[/I], not just a cheering section.
2003-10-21 13:31 | User Profile
I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of folks have a different perception of the purpose of both this board and others like it. Personally, I never had any illusions that a BBS was going to have any [I]direct[/I] influence on any of the matters that are so important to us. To me, it seems that the real reason for OD's existence is [I]education[/I]. Others who are now fence-sitting can find this board and discover that Evil Right-Wing Racists aren't the drooling, wild-eyed, inbred, psychotic, seig-heiling lowbrows that the media would have them believe.
The importance of finding that you're not alone in your beliefs (as the media wants you to think you are) and that those of like mind are actually normal, intelligent human beings who've seen that something is horribly wrong the with current state of Western society can't be overstated. There's no knowing how many have come over to the Right side after making this discovery, but I personally know about half a dozen. If the OD forum is fulfilling that task, then I'd have to say it's doing very well.
I do agree that seeing something positive happening in the real world would have an energizing effect on all of us. Local action is well and good, and I practice it whenever I can. But on a national scale, there's a critical mass of people just like us building, and it's getting bigger every day -- much to our would-be masters' horror. [I]Something[/I] is needed to set a match to this haystack. But how to achieve this, I have no more idea than anyone else. David Duke tried the mainstream political route and was turned into a pariah for his trouble. Matt Hale tried a religious approach and now rots in a federal prison on trumped-up -- if not outright fraudulent -- charges. The National Alliance seems to be degenerating into irrelevance, partly through internal incompetence, partly, no doubt, with outside help. Even paleoconservatism has been media-railroaded into a harmless corner along with its halfhearted champion, Pat Buchanan.
The intensity and relentlessness with which we've been suppressed and stigmatized bespeaks the horror with which the parasites view our awakening rightist consciousness; they are frightened and growing imprudently desperate, and with good reason. What the "shot heard round the world" to galvanize our people might be, I don't know. But in the meantime, the OD forums, with their unmatched high level of discourse (even when I disagree with what's being said) [I]are[/I] providing a valuable service.
2003-10-21 13:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]They killed one board dead with their glum, arid humorlessness and are busy digging a grave for this one as well. Then they'll blame the drying-up of discussion venues on the stupidity and vacuousness of "Americans".[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Didactic pedantry can be blamed for a whole host of ills, including indigestion, shingles, baldness and even fallen arches. Still, all of this can be forgiven or explained away.
Humorlessness, though, is unforgiveable. And the consequences are far more grim, at least in terms of participation on this board and in real-world activism. A bit of levity mixed in with the didactic pedantry of Slavic hatred/German intractability/Russian purity goes a long way towards making the blend a bit more palatable.
I'm looking forward to learning about practical community activism and, hopefully, how it can be applied in my own American community (assuming the obligatory denunciations of the "Average American" can be pruned from the lesson before application). I'll have the Pepto handy, just in case.
2003-10-21 13:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]
They killed one board dead with their glum, arid humorlessness and are busy digging a grave for this one as well. Then they'll blame the drying-up of discussion venues on the stupidity and vacuousness of "Americans".
Agreed. Didactic pedantry can be blamed for a whole host of ills, including indigestion, shingles, baldness and even fallen arches. Still, all of this can be forgiven or explained away.
Humorlessness, though, is unforgiveable. And the consequences are far more grim, at least in terms of participation on this board and in real-world activism. A bit of levity mixed in with the didactic pedantry of Slavic hatred/German intractability/Russian purity goes a long way towards making the blend a bit more palatable.
I'm looking forward to learning about practical community activism and, hopefully, how it can be applied in my own American community (assuming the obligatory denunciations of the "Average American" can be pruned from the lesson before application). I'll have the Pepto handy, just in case.
2003-10-21 15:26 | User Profile
Oh, by no means am I blaming "the Europeans", but neither am I naive enoughto think that a few gasbags - who claim to represent the consensus opinion of Europe on a few message boards -actually [B]do[/B].
Please. I was born at night....but it wasn't [I]last [/I] night.
2003-10-21 15:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arkady] I do agree that seeing something positive happening in the real world would have an energizing effect on all of us. Local action is well and good, and I practice it whenever I can. But on a national scale, there's a critical mass of people just like us building, and it's getting bigger every day -- much to our would-be masters' horror. Something is needed to set a match to this haystack.[/QUOTE] Local action is critically important; it's also the only thing ordinary Joes like us can do on our own initiatives and resources. Local activism doesn't have deal directly with any national problems and therefore allows us to set goals that are achievable. It's simplistic but it's true: success breeds success. Hell, the activism doesnââ¬â¢t even have to be political in nature as long as it is building a cadre of like-minded people and group loyalty.
[QUOTE=il ragno]"Hey, [B]I'm [/B] convinced, and so are a few dozen other people who think just like me....look alive! -it's time to take back the West!"[/QUOTE] Sounds good to me! Itââ¬â¢s a better rallying cry than ââ¬ÅWeââ¬â¢re doomed! Weââ¬â¢re doomed!ââ¬Â
[QUOTE=il ragno]No, the ideological debate has not yet [B]begun[/B]. "Debate" requires an [I]opponent[/I], not just a cheering section.[/QUOTE] Nah, you already know itââ¬â¢s worthless ââ¬Ëdebatingââ¬â¢ our opponents and as for potential allies Iââ¬â¢ve found debating them counter productive. Debate is an essentially confrontational mode of communication; it establishes a win-lose situation. Better to advise, educate and try and win a friend if not a convert. You will 'win' a debate because you're right but there is a fair chance that potential ally will resent you for it.
2003-10-21 16:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=triskelion] In any case, real conservatism is racial as are the problems facing what reamians of the Occident and to pretend that you can conserve the West without resisting and reversing it's biologic destruction is moric and destructive in worst way. [/QUOTE] I am well aware of the racial element at the root of consevatism and how it is intertwined with wanting to preserve one's cultural heritage and maintaining favorable racial demographics to insure that it will survive. My point, however, is one of tactics, and which ones will be most effective at achieving our goal. Do you think that the pervasive jewish influence within our culture could have been achieved if the JDL or Kahani Chai were the primary propaganda vehicle for their tribal interests as opposed to them couching their interests under the veil of "civil rights" such as is done by the ADL or SPLC? Of course there really isn't a dime's worth of difference between these groups except for their approach. The politics of "hate" has a very limited appeal, most people seem prefer their reality sugar-coated. Short of some cataclysmic economic upheavel or similiar event that is capable of provoking the necessary sense of urgency to action, I doubt that a sufficient number of whites can be aroused from their slumber and deal with the stark reality of race unless it is presented in a stealth manner with a veneer of social respectability.
2003-10-21 17:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by il ragno No, the ideological debate has not yet begun. "Debate" requires an opponent, not just a cheering section.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Nah, you already know it’s worthless ‘debating’ our opponents and as for potential allies I’ve found debating them counter productive. Debate is an essentially confrontational mode of communication; it establishes a win-lose situation. [/QUOTE]
Then prepare for the exquisite pain of being a Beautiful Loser. (And there [B]are[/B] people who cherish that status.) Anyone who dismisses even the idea of taking the battle to their ideological opponents deserves their martyrdom...no, check that, since even martyrs exhibit courage against impossible odds. Converting people in the dead of night is fine for newborn resistance movements, but sooner or later you're going to have to make your case in the light of day.
2003-10-21 17:37 | User Profile
damian,
people aren't totally stupid, even the sheeple have doubts from time to time. Most just want to fit in, and don't dissent. Only when their doubts are acknowedged and a bold simple picture is presented, they may continue futher with their analysis.
il ragno's approach works. Yours is very ineffective. Losers will complain about mestizos, yidrael etc, but will get NOTHING, because the status quo isn't in their favor.
2003-10-21 19:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]damian,
people aren't totally stupid, even the sheeple have doubts from time to time. Most just want to fit in, and don't dissent. Only when their doubts are acknowedged and a bold simple picture is presented, they may continue futher with their analysis. QUOTE] We all tend to view the world from our own unique perspective. You are obviously a very rational and intellectually inclined person, which is all well and good except for the fact that it blinds you to the reality that irrational emotion is also an intrinsic part of human nature. You are naive if you think it is as easy as presenting intellectual fact in a simple and easily understood way will lead to change, at least in the short term. Galileo may have been right too, but it took awhile before his ideas were accepted.
2003-10-21 19:39 | User Profile
Let me clarify. The direction should always be [I]louder than before[/I], and [I]closer to the light[/I].
It's one thing to say [I]in this struggle, individuals should proceed with reasonable caution [/I] - since there are powerful forces (government, media, academia and shell-shocked public opinion) aligned against the truth. This is true.
But each subsequent step should be an incremmental step towards a higher profile. What you may find is that more people than you think share your beliefs, and that they are grateful for that liberating release of fear-induced tension that comes from somebody else [I]saying [/I] what theythought they were alone in [I]thinking[/I].
Look at Kevin MacDonald, for God's sake! Should he have squelched what his research had clearly pointed to because "it’s worthless ‘debating’ our opponents" and "debating potential allies is counter productive"? Should he have considered his future income and his standing in the academic community [I]first[/I], and decided to have his trilogy published posthumously? And need I remind you that MacDonald is now the lodestar to every thinking racialist who previously could not utter his thoughts aloud for fear of being lumped in with, and dismissed alongside, every wacko Hollywood-Nazi coat-tailing the same ideas?
2003-10-21 19:42 | User Profile
IR: "As the author of more than my share of meaningless one-liners I resent that remark." VO: It seems the truth hurts you and you resent it. IR: "I hate to break this to you - since you've thoughtfully laid out the regimen for us over at Polinco required for cultural renaissance - but it most certainly DOES matter if readership has dropped precipitously." VO: By the time Polinco died it had no readership. Note that I did not say that a forum can do well with no readership. What I did say was that the drop of here does not seem serious to me yet although obviously more is better. As for laying "out the regimen for us over at Polinco required for cultural renaissance" I could take that as snide or overly generous so I'll assume the latter but point out that I did no such thing. Rather, I did what I assume these forums exist for which to present ideas that seem useful to resolving our current crisis. Id that by detailing ideological matters which is something we should all be keen on and covering exactly how I act upon my ideas in the real world.
IR: "Polinco lies unmourned in a pauper's grave BECAUSE of the long-faced didactic pedantry of your Twelve Good Men & True, not in spite of them."
VO: By the time Polinco died it had two occasional posters worth reading and 1 one regular but worthless poster. Prior to it's terminal decline I didn't find Polinco to be long-faced or didactic. What I did note was that like all American forums at no time did more then 10% of members actually bother to contribute anything. Those that do contribute rather then the lurkers who latter went else where for titillation as you do seems a perfect example of why the American scene is such a dismal failure.
IR: "You state " I started a very long thread on Polinco about the failure of mainstream Paleocons.... although no one on the mainstream paleo side wanted to address the core issues at stake" and I ask then why in the world was this thread so "very long" then? Because people were queeing up to second your remarks? How boring and unnecessary. I suspect that there was quite a bit of "addressing the core issues" but it was all dismissed with a wave of the hand by the stern schoolmaster who began that thread."
VO: Your previous noxious comment shows that you didn't bother to the read thread. If you had you'd note that it had a very good exchange by some that expanded upon what I said while others rejected it. If you thought I was wrong nothing stopped you, or anyone else, from stating so. I saw no fawning agreement with my position but again, we come to matter of those that don't contribute to a forum complaining about the course that it takes by leaving or merely condemning those that tried to keep a forum afloat like I did for a while at Polinco.
IR: "I also suspect the recent influx of new OD regulars are those very same Polinco dullards. They killed one board dead with their glum, arid humorlessness and are busy digging a grave for this one as well. Then they'll blame the drying-up of discussion venues on the stupidity and vacuousness of "Americans"."
VO: Earlier you said that this board was in trouble because of a lack of traffic now you say that the problem is people from Polinco coming here. In point of fact, the vast majority of the Polinco membership that was active was also active at OD from the start. The only recent, i.e within the last year, Polinco poster to come here is me. I have objected to anti-Americanism for some time but in the end, I do note that American forums do dry up and disappear because of their membership not caring. I have noted that Polinco members here have contributed a great deal to this forum and that they are not the ones pissing and moaning in this thread. na Gaeil is gile: "Concerning the board's fall off in numbers it may be that you've reached an ideological critical mass. Either you transfer all the ideas hashed out here into real world activism or you die. The ideological debate is over and what's left is merely a contest of form over substance. Paleocon, patriot, nationalist or 'racist hater', it doesn't matter if you have nothing in the real world to tie your colours to."
VO: What you say has some merit. I have spent a great deal of time talking about public activism and far more practicing it. Of course, effective public activism means having policy prescriptions that are valid to what ever segment of the population your trying to reach and doing requires that you have a decent ideological framework to build upon. I note that these points are hardly well received in American circles although I have put major effort into conveying those points here and else where. na Gaeil is gile: "Suspect? Have you not read the thread then?" VO: You guessed right. IR did not bother to read them but that doesn't seem to stop him misrepresenting it. na Gaeil is gile: "The core issues were not addressed but neither was the issue of White nationalism's utter failure. It's the two stooges, paleocon Moe and White nationalist Curly, slapping each other over the head for their collective failure."
VO: Wrong. I have spent a great deal of time covering what's wrong with American style race hatred and racialism and I touched on those issues more then once on the failure thread and the "Response to my critics at OD" thread. If a few people express an interest in the matter I'll go over it again.
IR: "Oh, by no means am I blaming "the Europeans", but neither am I naive enough to think that a few gasbags - who claim to represent the consensus opinion of Europe on a few message boards -actually do."
VO: I don't recall anyone here claiming to speak for Europe.
Damian: "I am well aware of the racial element at the root of conservatism and how it is intertwined with wanting to preserve one's cultural heritage and maintaining favorable racial demographics to insure that it will survive. My point, however, is one of tactics, and which ones will be most effective at achieving our goal. Do you think that the pervasive jewish influence within our culture could have been achieved if the JDL or Kahani Chai were the primary propaganda vehicle for their tribal interests as opposed to them couching their interests under the veil of "civil rights" such as is done by the ADL or SPLC? Of course there really isn't a dime's worth of difference between these groups except for their approach. The politics of "hate" has a very limited appeal, most people seem prefer their reality sugar-coated. Short of some cataclysmic economic upheaval or similar event that is capable of provoking the necessary sense of urgency to action, I doubt that a sufficient number of whites can be aroused from their slumber and deal with the stark reality of race unless it is presented in a stealth manner with a veneer of social respectability."
VO: It seem to me your building a straw man here. I have zero interest in "the politics of hate" and I have in fact spent a great deal of time condemning race hatred and the idiots that push it and marginalize those of us that care about Occidental Renewal. If you look over my output here or else where you'll see that I have very specific ideas about "marketing" racialism as well as the policy prescriptions that promote it. IR: "Converting people in the dead of night is fine for newborn resistance movements, but sooner or later you're going to have to make your case in the light of day." VO: quite true. Of course, I and others have been doing that for 20 or more years. Again, I've described how to do it and I and a great many others have gotten excellent results with them. In the end we come back to if the question is "what is to be done?" but I think what's meant is "what is to be done that takes no real sacrifice, won't interfere with my free time, is socially acceptable to those that want to destroy us and can it done by next election?". Unfortunately, my time at forums such as these have cleared up the ambiguity but the anwser is pretty grim.
2003-10-21 20:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=damian]irrational emotion is also an intrinsic part of human nature. You are naive if you think it is as easy as presenting intellectual fact in a simple and easily understood way will lead to change, at least in the short term. Galileo may have been right too, but it took awhile before his ideas were accepted.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I believe in the power of counter-propaganda, that is appealing to the emotional (irrational?) part. On the topic of the old argument whether facts and mild detached cautios analysis is better than VNN, I say give the people both. Both rational and emotional compartments of the brain need positive reinforcement.
2003-10-21 20:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE]It seems the truth hurts you and you resent it. [/QUOTE]
The truth is the truth, it has no editorial component - it simply [I]is[/I]. If you believe that donnishness and dour lecturing trumps irreverence, fine, but I hardly find that to be an enduring truth.
[QUOTE]Prior to it's terminal decline I didn't find Polinco to be long-faced or didactic. What I did note was that like all American forums at no time did more then 10% of members actually bother to contribute anything. Those that do contribute rather then the lurkers who latter went else where for titillation as you do seems a perfect example of why the American scene is such a dismal failure.[/QUOTE]
It seems the truth hurts you and you resent it.
What you need - since you've obviously given Occidental Renewal much thought and you have real ideas - is a press agent. And for once, I'm not being facetious. You have a fine, parsing mind but absolutely no grasp that your methods of communication are tedious at best and condescending at worst.
No matter how valid your prescription is or isn't, [U]you are selling something here[/U] (and try not to wrinkle your nose in distaste at that). Impatiently wringing your hands at the utter bovine stupidity of your prospective customer's apathy is piss-poor salesmanship, my man - that cure for cancer's just gonna gather dust on your shelf if you can't convince people [I]this would be a good thing for them to buy.[/I] So far, you are failing to do that. Rather than curse the unheeding cattle, maybe you ought to try another approach. If your ideas are workable and contain real merit - and they certainly might - you owe them no less than to put your own self-importance aside to phrase them in more user-friendly terms rather than to frame them ina sermon.
Your approach might be gangbusters in your particular corner of the world, but they are - as of this writing - [I]unsuitable for export[/I]. Hey, even the Old Testament God knew that a little razzle-dazzle went a long way with the common folk - thus the signs, wonders and miracles. You seem to have the two-tablets part down cold....maybe you ought to getover yourself and work on a burning-bush trick or two to get your audience's attention - and for God's sake, crack a smile, or a self-deprecating joke, now and then. Nobody wants to hear the parson on Monday morning.
2003-10-21 20:57 | User Profile
The first Joe Million had a bunch of non-white women. I never watched any of the episodes, but based on the commercials, none of the non-whites made it very far along in the series.
2003-10-21 20:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE]It seems the truth hurts you and you resent it. [/QUOTE]
The truth is the truth, it has no editorial component - it simply [I]is[/I]. If you believe that donnishness and dour lecturing trumps irreverence, fine, but I hardly find that to be an enduring truth.
[QUOTE]Prior to it's terminal decline I didn't find Polinco to be long-faced or didactic. What I did note was that like all American forums at no time did more then 10% of members actually bother to contribute anything. Those that do contribute rather then the lurkers who latter went else where for titillation as you do seems a perfect example of why the American scene is such a dismal failure.[/QUOTE]
It seems the truth hurts you and you resent it.
What you need - since you've obviously given Occidental Renewal much thought and you have real ideas - is a press agent. And for once, I'm not being facetious. You have a fine, parsing mind but absolutely no grasp that your methods of communication are tedious at best and condescending at worst.
No matter how valid your prescription is or isn't, [U]you are selling something here[/U] (and try not to wrinkle your nose in distaste at that). Impatiently wringing your hands at the utter bovine stupidity of your prospective customer's apathy is piss-poor salesmanship, my man - that cure for cancer's just gonna gather dust on your shelf if you can't convince people [I]this would be a good thing for them to buy.[/I] So far, you are failing to do that. Rather than curse the unheeding cattle, maybe you ought to try another approach. If your ideas are workable and contain real merit - and they certainly might - you owe them no less than to put your own self-importance aside to phrase them in more user-friendly terms rather than framing them in a dry-as-dust sermon.
Your approach might be gangbusters in your particular corner of the world, but they are - as of this writing - [I]unsuitable for export[/I]. Hey, even the Old Testament God knew that a little razzle-dazzle went a long way with the common folk - thus the signs, wonders and miracles. You seem to have the two-tablets part down cold....maybe you ought to get over yourself and work on a burning-bush trick or two to get your audience's attention - and for God's sake, crack a smile, or a self-deprecating joke, now and then. Nobody wants to hear the parson on Monday morning. (Especially if his opening words are, "Dear lazy idiot Americans...")
2003-10-21 21:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]The truth is the truth, it has no editorial component - it simply [I]is[/I]. If you believe that donnishness and dour lecturing trumps irreverence, fine, but I hardly find that to be an enduring truth.
Reply: Possitive reactions to my writings have far out wieghed comments like yours. If you chose not to beleive that reality I could care less.
It seems the truth hurts you and you resent it.
What you need - since you've obviously given Occidental Renewal much thought and you have real ideas - is a press agent. And for once, I'm not being facetious. You have a fine, parsing mind but absolutely no grasp that your methods of communication are tedious at best and condescending at worst.
No matter how valid your prescription is or isn't, [U]you are selling something here[/U] (and try not to wrinkle your nose in distaste at that). Impatiently wringing your hands at the utter bovine stupidity of your prospective customer's apathy is piss-poor salesmanship, my man - that cure for cancer's just gonna gather dust on your shelf if you can't convince people [I]this would be a good thing for them to buy.[/I] So far, you are failing to do that. Rather than curse the unheeding cattle, maybe you ought to try another approach. If your ideas are workable and contain real merit - and they certainly might - you owe them no less than to put your own self-importance aside to phrase them in more user-friendly terms rather than framing them in a dry-as-dust sermon.
Your approach might be gangbusters in your particular corner of the world, but they are - as of this writing - [I]unsuitable for export[/I]. Hey, even the Old Testament God knew that a little razzle-dazzle went a long way with the common folk - thus the signs, wonders and miracles. You seem to have the two-tablets part down cold....maybe you ought to get over yourself and work on a burning-bush trick or two to get your audience's attention - and for God's sake, crack a smile, or a self-deprecating joke, now and then. Nobody wants to hear the parson on Monday morning. (Especially if his opening words are, "Dear lazy idiot Americans...")[/QUOTE]
As to my salesmenship I could compare my electoral performance with yours just as I could compare the success of the organizations I back with any American group you care to name. As to being unsuitable for export, while I lived in the states I did quite well at recruiting people using the methods I detailed I managed to bring in quite a few people into various racialist groups so I know that they are braodly suited.
Of course, you instead seem to focus upon my writing style in a foriegn tongue instead. My writing is targeted towards people that are already involved in some form of racialism and interested in serious matter fitting well educated adults as those are the most likely to do something productive in the real world. By contrast, my public actism which is directed at the population at large. While you clearly don't like what I say or how I say it in writing I hear from dozens of Americans each week that disagree with you strongly so I'll leave the Linderite style to those that enjoy it. If your sarcasm and snide comments is what passes for humour in the states then I feel correct to avoid such writing methods. I will mention that I have never engaged in anti-American rhetoric and I often condemn those that do.
2003-10-21 21:33 | User Profile
Well, you deserve kudos for your mastery of English. I certainly couldn't do as well in a second language. But you're still way too full of yourself. And in terms of 'reaching people', Linder is kicking your ass from here to Helsinki. Now while it's true that I don't march in lockstep to everything appearing on VNN, it is also true that - your contempt for him notwithstanding- he has given you carte blanche to write whatever you please for VNN, and has run your letters and essays unedited. We both know that door wouldn't swing both ways if [I]you[/I] were running that website, because you'd bar that door to Linder and everyone like him.
That may not settle the argument, but it's a point worth bringing up. The knuckle-dragging 'hater' turns out to be humbler, more inclusive and more open to differing points of view than the High Lama of European Activism, who deems American activism a failure even though European hate-crime laws keep him posting to American message-boards.
2003-10-21 22:06 | User Profile
IR: "But you're still way too full of yourself."
VO: You said the meothds I use don't work. I pointed out your wrong and if that's being full of myself so be it.
IR: "And in terms of 'reaching people', Linder is kicking your ass from here to Helsinki."
VO: Really? Who has VNN elected? What governments have they influenced? I can point to what the populist parties I support have managed to bring of and it's more then a web site.
IR: "Now while it's true that I don't march in lockstep to everything appearing on VNN, it is also true that - your contempt for him notwithstanding.."
VO: Hold it right there. I don't hold Linder or VNN in contempt. As I stated before, I feel his appraoch is the wrong one and often counter productive but admire the fact that he allows others, like me, to use his site and I think that a great deal of fine material is to be found there like my old friend Paul Westmen. I also think it's great to have VNN about inspite of it's serious flaws because it does have an excellent Alexa rating which allows those that use it, like me, to do some good.
IR: "he has given you carte blanche to write whatever you please for VNN, and has run your letters and essays unedited. We both know that door wouldn't swing both ways if [I]you[/I] were running that website, because you'd bar that door to Linder and everyone like him."
Given that I don't and have never run a website that seems like a pretty big assumption on your part. In point of fact, I feel that VNN is a fine resource even if I don't like the general tennor of it. I have zero interest in hindering Linder in any fashion and I have never encouraged anyone to do so.
IR: "That may not settle the argument, but it's a point worth bringing up. The knuckle-dragging 'hater' turns out to be humbler, more inclusive and more open to differing points of view than the High Lama of European Activism, who deems American activism a failure even though European hate-crime laws keep him posting to American message-boards."
VO: What settles the arguement is that the haters are a non entity in the real world while the public activism I learned from others works. Certainly, hate crime laws prevent me from expressing myself but they have not stopped me and a great many others from meaningful public activism or running and even winning crediable electoral efforts. While haters can talk about "danglestien and twizerman" and have dreams about murdering everyone they disagree with on computers racialists and populists have been able make headway inspite of state oppression. If that's not modest enough for your tastes feel free to deny that truth all you like. I'll continue to try something that has a reasonable chance of giving results within my life time.
2003-10-21 22:36 | User Profile
Linder and VNN have been around for about two years, give them time.
Linder does a first rate job at opening people's minds -- he's a true blue populist who will always be more accessible to the average White than Taylor (for e.g.) and his ability to use 16 letter words.
I had a few exchanges via email with Linder and he has always been exemplarly courteous and friendly. I doubt that Taylor et al. are as accessible to the rank-and-file.
[QUOTE=triskelion]IR: "But you're still way too full of yourself."
VO: You said the meothds I use don't work. I pointed out your wrong and if that's being full of myself so be it.
IR: "And in terms of 'reaching people', Linder is kicking your ass from here to Helsinki."
VO: Really? Who has VNN elected? What governments have they influenced? I can point to what the populist parties I support have managed to bring of and it's more then a web site.
IR: "Now while it's true that I don't march in lockstep to everything appearing on VNN, it is also true that - your contempt for him notwithstanding.."
VO: Hold it right there. I don't hold Linder or VNN in contempt. As I stated before, I feel his appraoch is the wrong one and often counter productive but admire the fact that he allows others, like me, to use his site and I think that a great deal of fine material is to be found there like my old friend Paul Westmen. I also think it's great to have VNN about inspite of it's serious flaws because it does have an excellent Alexa rating which allows those that use it, like me, to do some good.
IR: "he has given you carte blanche to write whatever you please for VNN, and has run your letters and essays unedited. We both know that door wouldn't swing both ways if [I]you[/I] were running that website, because you'd bar that door to Linder and everyone like him."
Given that I don't and have never run a website that seems like a pretty big assumption on your part. In point of fact, I feel that VNN is a fine resource even if I don't like the general tennor of it. I have zero interest in hindering Linder in any fashion and I have never encouraged anyone to do so.
IR: "That may not settle the argument, but it's a point worth bringing up. The knuckle-dragging 'hater' turns out to be humbler, more inclusive and more open to differing points of view than the High Lama of European Activism, who deems American activism a failure even though European hate-crime laws keep him posting to American message-boards."
VO: What settles the arguement is that the haters are a non entity in the real world while the public activism I learned from others works. Certainly, hate crime laws prevent me from expressing myself but they have not stopped me and a great many others from meaningful public activism or running and even winning crediable electoral efforts. While haters can talk about "danglestien and twizerman" and have dreams about murdering everyone they disagree with on computers racialists and populists have been able make headway inspite of state oppression. If that's not modest enough for your tastes feel free to deny that truth all you like. I'll continue to try something that has a reasonable chance of giving results within my life time.[/QUOTE]
2003-10-21 22:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Linder and VNN have been around for about two years, give them time.
Linder does a first rate job at opening people's minds -- he's a true blue populist who will always be more accessible to the average White than Taylor (for e.g.) and his ability to use 16 letter words.
I had a few exchanges via email with Linder and he has always been exemplarly courteous and friendly. I doubt that Taylor et al. are as accessible to the rank-and-file.[/QUOTE]
Hello FB,
Thank you for your comment. I to have had a little contact with Mr. Linder and he is indeed polite and accessible. Certainly, Mr. Linder's motivation is beyond question and his tactics do bring in the ratings so global criticisms of him are not valid. Certainly, I have no respect for someone like Taylor whom I don't trust and whose organization has very dim prospects in my opinion. My real concern with Mr. Linder is that I simply don't think his style will win over very many people that are likely to be genuine, public activists because the whole tenor is far to absolutist, crass and abusive. In the end, I wish him well even if I don't agree with his style (and to some extent, his ideology) and think that VNN is a great resource.
2003-10-22 01:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=triskelion] It seem to me your building a straw man here. I have zero interest in "the politics of hate" and I have in fact spent a great deal of time condemning race hatred and the idiots that push it and marginalize those of us that care about Occidental Renewal. If you look over my output here or else where you'll see that I have very specific ideas about "marketing" racialism as well as the policy prescriptions that promote it. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I didn't mean to direct my post to you specifically, I was merely latching on to something you said as a convenient segue to express a general observation. I am somewhat familiar with your writings and tend to agree with you on most issues. I was just lamenting the fact that there really is no mainstream organization in this country that I feel comfortable lending my support to, something along the lines of say the BNP or other nativist parties that exist in Europe. I think a parliamentary system such as is common in Europe would be more conducive in allowing minority viewpoints to be aired and debated. I should mention as well that while it might appear incongruous to what I've said previously, I'm a big fan of Alex Linder just like il ragno is. Linder has a unique talent for piercing certain social taboos, and does it in a very amusing and engaging manner. His brash and irreverent style imparts a certain confidence to the troops, even tho it may not translate well to the European sensibility.
2003-10-22 01:41 | User Profile
It's the economy ... maybe. As stupid as I am, Tex, I was wondering if you've noticed OD numbers fluctuate with the (general) state of the economy? Maybe it's waaaay off base for me to consider something so silly, eh? I ask because I've noticed a surge in the number of people I know having employment problems. I haven't been posting much, been busy as Hell with a goofball project that needs to be done pronto. Just an idea, but I wonder.
That said, have the numbers been concomitant with the swith to vbulletin, as others have mentioned? Or is it a lull before the storm? A time period that some are using to 'recover' their energy? I'm getting too far out there, I guess.
Joe Millionaire? Didn't see it. Did see some of the commercials. Oh those dumb Europeans. No doubt the blondes will be the dumbest. Those women chasing this 'cowboy' because of his riches remind me of everyone following the jew because of his bullshit ... or power ... or riches. The joke is on us. Not enough are able to see it. I'll bet the PM of Malaysia would see through this 'program'.
2003-10-22 02:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=damian]Sorry, I didn't mean to direct my post to you specifically, I was merely latching on to something you said as a convenient segue to express a general observation. I am somewhat familiar with your writings and tend to agree with you on most issues. I was just lamenting the fact that there really is no mainstream organization in this country that I feel comfortable lending my support to, something along the lines of say the BNP or other nativist parties that exist in Europe. I think a parliamentary system such as is common in Europe would be more conducive in allowing minority viewpoints to be aired and debated. I should mention as well that while it might appear incongruous to what I've said previously, I'm a big fan of Alex Linder just like il ragno is. Linder has a unique talent for piercing certain social taboos, and does it in a very amusing and engaging manner. His brash and irreverent style imparts a certain confidence to the troops, even tho it may not translate well to the European sensibility.[/QUOTE]
Hello Damian and thank you for clearification. I must confess that I am suprised but pleased to hear of your general agreement with my positions.
Having lived in the states for several years while attending universities of various qualities and spending about an hour a day for the last several years on boards like this I note that most Americans inclined towards genuine racialism (not the stupid race hatred that is the rule) have no organization with which to identify. It seems to me that almost every American racialist or paleo-con knows that what's been done for last 80 years or so has been a spectular failure and that something else should be tried. After one comes to a realistic alternative to globalism of the statist and capitalist sorts and realizes that no one will do our dirty work for us we are left with the need to get serious about what we want and why and not just critque the current order. That led me to Folkish Renewal a great many years ago which has several expressions that I have covered here and else where.
Once one has come to that point it becomes aparent that public activism needs to come next. I strongly encourage you to try out the methods I learned from others far smarter and harder working then I as there's no point in re-inventing the wheel. Doing so will do worlds of good for your mental outlook and self image. If you need any help with the finer points just ask and if I can't answer you i'll talk to someone that can and relay the message.
As to Mr. Linder I see he has the Alexa ratings but I don't see any indication that he can translate that into effective public actism which is what is needed most. It seems to me that this short fall is a result of the style of his writing which seems to attract the most disfunctional elements of white society and drive away the possiblity of reaching those most likely to do something productive.
2003-10-22 02:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun] And after the disappearance of that good and long thread on the instrumentalization of the Holocau$t, a thread where fade (and others) wrote some lengthy and excellent posts (fade especially put a lot of time into that deleted thread), and where I also wasted a lot of time researching an answer, I'm thinking of leaving. I don't want to post in a place that doesn't even give you the common courtesy of letting you know that something will soon be gone (and why), so that you can at least save your info. What a waste of time.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious about the disappearance of that thread too. TD, care to offer any explanation?
2003-10-22 05:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty] Oh those dumb Europeans. No doubt the blondes will be the dumbest.[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to find out the origin of those "dumb blonde" jokes in the US. How politically correct. Blondes and Southerners are the only people that one can safely humiliate and abuse in the US. How multiculti!
Let me tell you a story.
I lived in France in the eighties when the first terrorist bomb in Paris exploded in a car parked in front of a Parisian synagogue (very close to where my family lived, as a matter of fact, I used to run out, in the morning, to get fresh baguettes and croissants for breakfast, from the bakery that was next door to the synagogue). For many days no one knew who was behind this attack, but very soon erroneous reports began to circulate that it was a "neo-Nazi" job. Well, it was an obvious fabrication -- eventually, and predictably, we learned that the Palestinians were behind it.
However, a mass demonstration was organized in Paris soon thereafter by French Jewry to protest the bombing. The demonstrators, during their march through Paris, quickly began to physically assault blond, Aryan looking passersby (especially young males). If you fitted the stereotypical description of what a "Nazi" must look like in Jews' feverish imagination, i.e., if you were blond with clean, short-cropped hair, your chances of being beat up on that day by Jewish "activists" were excellent! These assaults were mentioned at the time in the media.
Bottom line:
When you make fun of blondes, you're helping the Jew.
2003-10-22 05:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun] Bottom line:
When you make fun of blondes, you're helping the Jew.[/QUOTE]
When you make fun of ANY whites, you help the jews. Again with this "the Jews hates blone whites more than brunette whites" type stuff.
2003-10-22 05:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]When you make fun of ANY whites, you help the jews. Again with this "the Jews hates blone whites more than brunette whites" type stuff.[/QUOTE]
The Jew is behind the "dumb blonde" jokes, Perun.
2003-10-22 06:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]The Jew is behind the "dumb blonde" jokes, Perun.[/QUOTE]
jokes about whites in general are Jewish in origin. Stop protraying the image that blonde whites are the only persecuted(or most persecuted) whites. We brunettes have to put up with the Zhids as much as any blonde.
2003-10-22 16:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I'm curious about the disappearance of that thread too. TD, care to offer any explanation?[/QUOTE]
Very simple, really. I'm not going to have posts on this board that celebrate or call for mass murder of any group of people. I'm amazed that some long time members here still seem to question this.
That entire thread was infested with such stupidity that I simply deleted it in its entirety, rather than trying to salvage anything worthwhile post by post.
[quote=Freddy Braun]I don't want to post in a place that doesn't even give you the common courtesy of letting you know that something will soon be gone (and why), so that you can at least save your info. What a waste of time.
Your audacity is unbelievable, though not surprising. What about your common courtesy of staying within the guidelines of the forum? Yes, it is a waste of time. My time having to review all of your posts. I'm tired of it and I've bent over backwards to accomodate you and Gaunt. Just to let you know, there will be no more accomodations given from this point on. Viele grosse.
2003-10-22 17:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Very simple, really. I'm not going to have posts on this board that celebrate or call for mass murder of any group of people. I'm amazed that some long time members here still seem to question this.
That entire thread was infested with such stupidity that I simply deleted it in its entirety, rather than trying to salvage anything worthwhile post by post.
Your audacity is unbelievable, though not surprising. What about your common courtesy of staying within the guidelines of the forum? Yes, it is a waste of time. My time having to review all of your posts. I'm tired of it and I've bent over backwards to accomodate you and Gaunt. Just to let you know, there will be no more accomodations given from this point on. Viele grosse.[/QUOTE]
You must have been reading a different thread then. No one called for anyone's murder. Prove it, if you can.
Your audacity is unbelievable, though not surprising.
What I've learned from this episode is that OD will not tolerate a frank discussion of the Holocaust claims and its instrumentalization.
Save your bully-boy threats.
2003-10-22 18:28 | User Profile
FB,
What is it with the Germans here? Is something lost in the translation?
Look, you're in TD's cyber-living-room, and here y'all go pissing in the couch cushions and putting your feet up on the coffee table. When he tells you nicely to knock it off, you get all offended.
Like it or not, his forum, his rules. You're perfectly free to start your own forum where you can talk about "vertical expulsion of k*kes" all you want, unless of course you're in Europe, that is, where you'll be arrested.
As it is, I find that Tex allows a lot of stuff to stand that he probably finds distasteful, at the very least, so this charge of ham-fisted censorship doesn't wash.
Finally, quit acting like it's your God-given right to post on a forum. Fact is, this stuff costs money, not to mention a lot of time on Tex's part, and instead of being in the least grateful, you seem to get all pissy when he slaps any of y'all down for violating one of the forum rules, none of which are state secrets, by the way.
If you don't like the swimming pool here, feel free to find another cyber-home.
And you know, that's really too bad, since I myself like both you and Gaunt for your perspectives and information, if not your communcations style.
That trademark German arrogance, while excellent for impressing the peasantry, doesnt' cut any ice with us stupid, irreverent hillbillies. We're more likely to spit a stream of chaw onto your freshly-creased johdpurs and send you on your way with a load of rock salt in your ass from the ever-handy scattergun, and I think I hear Tex breaking his open at the moment.
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2003-10-23 00:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]
That trademark German arrogance, while excellent for impressing the peasantry, doesnt' cut any ice with us stupid, irreverent hillbillies. We're more likely to spit a stream of chaw onto your freshly-creased johdpurs and send you on your way with a load of rock salt in your ass from the ever-handy scattergun, and I think I hear Tex breaking his open at the moment. [/QUOTE]
I don't think this was necessary in order to make your point MadScience.
2003-10-23 00:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]I don't think this was necessary in order to make your point MadScience.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, Perun.
2003-10-23 03:45 | User Profile
I have to say, the new format is less desirable than the old one. I don't like this new look.
I do like the forum - even tho a few posters have been quite rude from time to time. That's the nature of the beast I guess......that said, I like several of the threads and lurk from time to time.
i'm putting in 15 hour days (no exagg) at my small biz to get it running my way. Unfortunately, i work in the service industry and dopes abound. People that just dont....show.....up. Crazy crap, I cover half the tiem when I SHOULD be meeting people/planning.
I like the forum, I hope it sticks. I did like the old format better tho, and agree with T.D. - some moderation is necessary.
-Jay
2003-10-23 08:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]i'm putting in 15 hour days (no exagg) at my small biz to get it running my way. Unfortunately, i work in the service industry and dopes abound. People that just dont....show.....up. Crazy crap, I cover half the tiem when I SHOULD be meeting people/planning.[/QUOTE]
I've been there! Nearly had a mental breakdown so I'm back to wage slavery now. Good luck with the business Jay.
2003-10-23 09:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Sartre:
Know this sounds crazy...but could it be VBulletin? I mean, all through the first half of '03, we just kept climbing and climbing...!
Or is it just the recent influx of Europeans changing the focus of the board?[/QUOTE]
I'm one of those odd people that things vBulletin is a plus... I always like it when I come across a new forum and see that it uses VB instead of one of the countless freebie packages.
Sure, the Invision is a close second, and I see why a lot of people like it.... whatever. I hope the quality of the posts is what attracts people more than anything else.
2003-10-23 14:57 | User Profile
I don't think this was necessary in order to make your point MadScience.
Maybe, but the point is, none of this is necessary. The ethnic ruffled feathers, the Whiter-than-thou attitudes, the "My Fatherland can beat up your Fatherland" threads that go on for weeks, the backbiting and just plain ugliness. The Patton thread is a great example. The Kosher Kommisars at FR probably just titter themselves silly reading that one.
It all has a very Stormfront feel to it. I never posted there, and for darn good reason. It's not my place to tell y'all what to do, but if you carry on like this, you might find them more to your speed as they will indulge, and no doubt amplify, all the trends going on in these threads.
I respect you guys, you're sharp and you're passionate, but can't you just let the Old Country rivalries go for a few minutes? I know when Polish Noble or whoever posts something inflammatory, your back gets up and you feel you have to defend homeland soil and all, which this Texan understands, but if all you're doing is engaging in a slugfest back and forth with someone you're never going to convince anyway, then what's the bloody point? Need I remind you that this same behavior, on a national scale, is one of the things that has allowed Jews to safely remain behind the curtain, driving that same homeland you love into the ground, because you're too busy smacking some "polack" upside the head to notice?
2003-10-23 18:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Maybe, but the point is, none of this is necessary. The ethnic ruffled feathers, the Whiter-than-thou attitudes, the "My Fatherland can beat up your Fatherland" threads that go on for weeks, the backbiting and just plain ugliness. The Patton thread is a great example.
First off I said that I would stop if Zvaci would also stop. Zvaci said he would stop and that we could debate it in a civil manner to which I agreed. I literally sad "Drop the Half-Khazar business and I'll drop the parasites of Southern Europe". That should've been that! But then Zvaci went about "speaking of parasites, how much does Russia live off the West" and went on a campaign trashing my religion(Byzantine Catholicism). I warned him many times that he was provoking another flame war but he kept on bashing.
I respect you guys, you're sharp and you're passionate, but can't you just let the Old Country rivalries go for a few minutes? I know when Polish Noble or whoever posts something inflammatory, your back gets up and you feel you have to defend homeland soil and all, which this Texan understands, but if all you're doing is engaging in a slugfest back and forth with someone you're never going to convince anyway, then what's the bloody point?
Well we get to let off steam. Plus we can get a good laugh reading what one saids to the other. As Tex said, it helps keeps things alive here if done within a certain manner. With Zvaci I've been very restrained btw.
Need I remind you that this same behavior, on a national scale, is one of the things that has allowed Jews to safely remain behind the curtain, driving that same homeland you love into the ground, because you're too busy smacking some "polack" upside the head to notice?[/QUOTE]
Well Jews are not a monlith either. Need we forget many Israeli settlers are forming paramilitary sqauds to keep the IDF at bay. So the Jews kill each other as anyother racial/ethnic group does. Pakistanis and Indians are about ready to blow each other up.
Its like sibiling rivalries, it can be controlled but never completely stopped. Its just human nature.
2003-10-25 03:59 | User Profile
Let me just add my word of support Tex -- WHEN I get a bit of time to be on the web, I come to OD. (And since I get so little time, I'm mostly READING trying to wade through a couple of weeks of stuff -- no time to write cogent and intelligent answers! Or even silly and superficial ones!) The hard part right now is I don't get anywhere (ANYwhere) near as much time online as I did in the summer... Fall/autumn adds outdoors work to the indoors work, and with the economy picking up the small bit it is, work has gotten a bit more lively (and a good thing THAT is!)
The new format is just fine -- I don't come here for the scenery, I come for the folks discussing important matters!
Hang in there -- traffic will probably pick back up as the winter sets in!
2003-10-25 07:34 | User Profile
On the apparent falloff in readership I would say the Iraq war has a lot to do with it. The buildup to the war with it's steady stream of neo-con lies, the war itself, and the immediate aftermath, were of great interest to paleo-cons and racialists because the whole affair was such an obvious expression of neo-con power. Now it seems there's some resignation setting in, maybe even disgust; people are beginning to realize that the neo-cons really did pull it off and it looks like they're going to get away with it. You really can attack and invade a foreign country by feeding people a pack of lies about the great threat it poses, murder tens of thousands of people along the way, and not be held to account for it.