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Thread ID: 10522 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2003-10-16
2003-10-16 05:46 | User Profile
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Source: NewsMax.com
Published: October 15, 2003 Author: Not listed
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The blame-America-firsters such as stupid white man Michael Moore try to depict the United States as a hotbed of murder, but they're wronger than usual.
South Africa is the world's bloodiest nation, The Economist notes, with a shocking 114.8 murders for each 100,000 people, compared to only six in the U.S. and two in Japan, according to Interpol.
More than 21,000 South Africans were killed last year, "worse than some war zones."
Other countries that outkilled the U.S. on Interpol's list aren't a surprise: Brazil, Russia, Botswana, Zambia, Angola.
But here's one that might shock you: Sweden, supposedly the land of granola-munching socialist peaceniks, had 10 murders for every 100,000 people.
Maybe Stockholm will take a cue from our Second Amendment and allow its citizens the right to defend themselves from its out-of-control population of greasy-haired blond killers.
2003-10-16 06:07 | User Profile
Blond killers?
Thore Karlsson at the Karolinian Institute's Department Of Criminal Medicine has investigated 500 deaths caused by violence, and reports that an immigrant is eight times more likely to kill with a knife than a Swede. (Hallandsposten, The Halland Post, 26/05/97)
2003-10-16 22:35 | User Profile
It looks like those craven servants of jewry at NewsMax didn't have their facts right (big suprise to all I am sure) on this issue. Sweden has a murder rate far lower then then the USA just as it always had. I first went to the INTERPOL site and attemtped to download the PDF's with no luck.
I didn't think it seemed possible that the story was right so I went to A Swedish governmernt source: [url]http://www.scb.se/publkat/Filer/A01SA0301_24.pdf[/url] and found that murders in Sweden totalled: 1997: 157 1998: 185 1999: 188 2000: 177 2001: 167
Which simply is not consistant with 10 murders per 100,000 population. According to "International Comparisons of Criminal Justice Statistics 2000." which you can see at: [url]http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/homicide.htm#murd[/url]
Murder rates world wide are as follows -
50.14 South Africa 21.40 Russia (1999) 10.00 Lithuania _9.94 Estonia _6.22 Latvia _5.64 U.S.A. _2.94 Spain _2.86 Finland _2.84 Northern Ireland _2.72 Czech Republic _2.65 Slovakia _2.58 New Zealand _2.50 Romania _2.31 Turkey (1999) _2.23 Poland _2.11 Scotland _2.04 Hungary _1.97 Sweden _1.81 Australia _1.79 France _1.76 Canada_1.61 England & Wales _1.54 Belgium _1.50 Greece _1.48 Ireland (Eire) _1.42 Netherlands _1.42 Italy _1.41 Slovenia _1.24 Portugal _1.17 Germany _1.10 Japan _1.09 Norway _1.09 Denmark _1.06 Malta _1.01 Austria _0.96 Switzerland _0.60 Cyprus _0.23 Luxembourg
I found this bit floating about in my email files which shows that the situation in Sweden is stastically better then what you see above as shown here:
"Statistics of murder in Sweden has been systematically wrong for several years. The Brottsförebyggande RÃÂ¥det - Council for Crime Prevention - discovered this a few months ago. Basically, misleading numbers for murder was picked from the police computer system and not checked for relevance. Error sources included: murders commited abroad; deaths first thought to be murders, then found to be natural deaths; cases where there were five suspects for a killing resulted in five murders in the murder statistics, etc. I wrote about it - including links to the press releases from BRÃ⦠- in a comment on the blog Förvetet a while ago - see: http://www.freiholtz.se/forvetet/2003_07_01_arkiv.shtml#105726053350391709" While my Swedish is pretty poor, what the above seems shows is that murder is braodly defined in Sweden to such an extent that the rates are inflated significantly. I assume this done because of administrative bungling in part but more so to justify higher funding levels."
Now I will be the first to recognize that plenty of crimes happen that are not reported and that government statistics ar often massaged to give a politically desirable result. However, I find it very hard to beleive that any European nation has as much violent crimes of any sort as the states (minor thugery, theft and the like is a different matter all togeather) and I would not take anything for granted from someone like News Maz or WND. In fact, if they told me the sky was blue i'd like look outside before accepting it. Based upon what I found with just a minium amount of poking about is that Social Democratic Sweden inspite of being dcayed and ruled by a very evil clique of Occidental haters has yet to become as violent a place as is the states.
2003-10-17 05:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=triskelion]It looks like those craven servants of jewry at NewsMax didn't have their facts right (big suprise to all I am sure) on this issue. Sweden has a murder rate far lower then then the USA just as it always had. I first went to the INTERPOL site and attemtped to download the PDF's with no luck......
Which simply is not consistant with 10 murders per 100,000 population. According to "International Comparisons of Criminal Justice Statistics 2000." which you can see at: ...........
While my Swedish is pretty poor, what the above seems shows is that murder is braodly defined in Sweden to such an extent that the rates are inflated significantly. I assume this done because of administrative bungling in part but more so to justify higher funding levels."
Now I will be the first to recognize that plenty of crimes happen that are not reported and that government statistics ar often massaged to give a politically desirable result. However, I find it very hard to beleive that any European nation has as much violent crimes of any sort as the states (minor thugery, theft and the like is a different matter all togeather) and I would not take anything for granted from someone like News Maz or WND.[/QUOTE]
Your Swedish is still much better than my Danish;) You Definitely don't want to take anything for granted, and you're right as always about the statistics being politically manipulable. I'm not sure though you're presumption that Sweden and maybe other European states manipulate their murder and other crime statistics up vis a vis the US is questionable to some extent.
You probably don't have a much higher opinion of National Review of course, but I should mention in passing that they did a similar study of the way murder statistics are tabulated in the U.S. and the U.K. and concluded the murder rate in fact could be higher in the U.K. than in the U.S. n spite of the difference in the interpol numbers. For overall crime rights in fact I think crime rates in Europe have been higher than in the U.S. for quite some time, and probably are even higher if you figure in the statistical differences.
Of course I think the fundamental difference in crime rates between the U.S and Europe have to do with our much higher incarceration rates. We have lots of minorities in this country, but when they mess up for now we throw the book at them. How long that lasts of course is an open question.
2003-10-17 07:04 | User Profile
Hello O.D.,
In the case of Sweden it is very clear that murder rates have been overstated for the reasons I mentioned earlier that related to statistical methods. If I can talk my old comrade Bjarni in coming back to this forum he can tell you about his brother (whose a criminologist in Bergen) about this in detail although I doubt that he would take the time to translate his "white papers" on the issue. While criminologists and statisticians can quibble about these matters till I go gray the fact is homocide rates in Western Europa in general and Sweden in particular are far lower then they are in the states and the same can be said about violent crime in general. Of course, you are correct that in numerous European nations non-violent crime is more of a problem.
As to National Review, to say have a low opinion of it is comparible to saying that pop culture is morally less then ideal. Certainly, the U.K. has a very serious problem with violence (they did even when I went to school there so long ago) and it's obvious to anyone that has traveled extensively accross the U.K. over the course of the last 20 years that they are becoming more like America in terms of crime with each passing year. Yet to say that they have a higher murder rate then the states is patently false unless one can prove that U.K. crime statistics are wildly wrong which would be a very significant undertaking for genuine criminologists and statistical experts not likely to apear in a neo-con rag. Of course, assuming that the U.K. continues to spiral into third world depravity for another 10 years and current trends in the states continue National Review will be vindicated.
2003-10-17 10:40 | User Profile
The bottom line is this: removing the brown knuckledraggers from the equation produces a stunning drop in the rate of violent crime in almost every situation; witness the low murder rates of White enclaves like the Dakotas - and even impoverished West Virginia. The bloody mayhem caused by these moronic vermin is the excuse used by the jews to justify their piecemeal assault on our rights to the ignorant, hyper-emotional soccermoms and their neutered husbands. Just as they planned it from the very beginning.
2003-10-17 17:39 | User Profile
Yes indeed; blacks, who are 12% of the population, account for over half of the homicides. That is, take negroes out of the equation, and our murder rate drops below that of Finland and Spain. West Virginia, despite being an epicenter of impoverished, gun-wielding redneck crackerdom, has a homicide rate (in 2000) of 2.5 - lower than New Zealand's. And keep in mind that Hispanics' violent crime rate is about 3X that of whites'.
2003-10-17 18:05 | User Profile
Here's table of homicide offenders by age, sex and race. Since these are FBI statistics, "white" includes "Hispanic." I think they're about 6% of the total population, and they commit violent crimes at about triple the white rate.
[url]http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_01/xl/01tbl2-6.xls[/url]
2003-10-17 19:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE]West Virginia, despite being an epicenter of impoverished, gun-wielding redneck crackerdom[/QUOTE]
Okay, that was funny. :lol: It got me laughing. Mind if I use it? They're the next state over from us and I need some ammo when someone from WVa starts bashing us toothless, shoeless hayseeds here in Kentucky.
Ausonius
2003-10-17 19:49 | User Profile
Be my guest! This forum is for the exchange of quips as well as ideas. I myself like to use one that somebody (Edward Gibbon?) came up with here: something about blacks belonging at the kiddie table of life.
[QUOTE=Ausonius]Okay, that was funny. :lol: It got me laughing. Mind if I use it? They're the next state over from us and I need some ammo when someone from WVa starts bashing us toothless, shoeless hayseeds here in Kentucky.[/QUOTE]
2003-10-17 21:02 | User Profile
...despite being an epicenter of impoverished, gun-wielding redneck crackerdom
Dang, man!
Were you at my last family reunion or something?
Hey Ausonius,
Since you're in Ky, do you ever get to the Knob Creek bullet fest thing they have twice a year?
2003-10-17 21:44 | User Profile
Blond killers?
Thore Karlsson at the Karolinian Institute's Department Of Criminal Medicine has investigated 500 deaths caused by violence, and reports that an immigrant is eight times more likely to kill with a knife than a Swede. (Hallandsposten, The Halland Post, 26/05/97)[/QUOTE]
Must be dyed-blonde killers....
2003-10-20 10:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Dang, man!
Were you at my last family reunion or something?
Hey Ausonius,
Since you're in Ky, do you ever get to the Knob Creek bullet fest thing they have twice a year?[/QUOTE]
Not yet. I may go when my son is a little older. I loved full auto fire (and larger weaponry) when I was in. Hell, even my wife has fired subguns! You should'a saw the grin on her face. Anyone who hasn't fired a belt off needs to before they die.
Ausonius
2003-10-21 22:07 | User Profile
Very interesting reading, the original post was, considering how utterly wrong it was.
In last year's report to RPS (Rikspolisstyrelsen, National Police Authority) the figure quoted for violent crime (murder, rape, assault and grand theft) was 500 times higher in the USA than it was in Sweden.