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Thread ID: 10506 | Posts: 8 | Started: 2003-10-15
2003-10-15 19:00 | User Profile
Armed standoff with "militia" in Denver?
[QUOTE]03/10/10 Will Denver become the next Waco? Unconstitutional rulings against Rick Stanley may bring armed standoff with militia
Photo of Rick Stanley demonstrating in front of the Colorado Supreme Court Building in Denver.
Stanley claims to have 725 members of the Mutual Defense Pact that have agreed to aid in a standoff for any members throughout the country, if attacked by law enforcement officials, acting under the color of law.
By Michael Cacioppo - DENVER An armed standoff is expected soon in Denver because of the unconstitutional rulings of two front-range judges against Rick Stanley, the former Libertarian candidate for U. S. Senate, who committed the state and federal constitutional acts of openly carrying a handgun on his waist in Denver in 2001 and in Thornton in 2002. Municipal and County Judge Robert Patterson of Denver recently sentenced Stanley to 30 days house arrest and one year probation, while Municipal Judge Charles Rose of Thornton recently sentenced Stanley to 90 days in jail. Stanley, who now heads the Mutual Defense Pact, has told Speakout! that he would not serve time for the wrongful convictions and that if challenged by law enforcement, he would defend himself.
Stanley claims to have 725 members of the Mutual Defense Pact that have agreed to aid in a standoff for any members throughout the country, if attacked by law enforcement officials, acting under the color of law. Stanley reports through the internet that the Pact has headed off three wrongful government attempts against members, the most recent, in Charlevoix County, Michigan, where he says a judge ruled that a member, Lyle Barkeley, was wrongfully ordered to remove mobile homes from his country property. Stanley says he put the Pact on alert, and when law enforcement discovered there would be an armed standoff, they backed down from enforcing the court order. Stanley now reports that Charlevoix County citizens held a town meeting last night and decided to recall the government officials who were responsible for the mobile home decision.
Itââ¬â¢s time, Stanley told Speakout! Itââ¬â¢s time for American citizens to stand up and demand that government at all levels and all branches stay within the boundaries of the constitution. The supreme law of the land must be enforced, not the unconstitutional ordinances, statutes and legislative laws that are less than the supreme law of the land. Local government officials seem to feel that they can violate the supreme law of the land whenever they wish, with impunity.
We are serving notice, Stanley continued, NOT ON OUR WATCH!
Speakout! has monitored the Stanley situation and recently asked Governor Bill Owens to pardon Mr. Stanley for the wrongful convictions. Speakout!! has yet to hear the Governors response. The request was made last week when the Governor attended a Republican meeting in Vail.
[url]http://www.speakoutvail.com/front1.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]
2003-10-16 13:54 | User Profile
[B]Anyone know anything about this?[/B]
2003-10-16 19:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust][B]Anyone know anything about this?[/B][/QUOTE]
Nope...I have not heard a peep about this and I am about 60 miles north of Denver. I will look into it. :tank:
2003-10-16 22:17 | User Profile
Haven't heard a peep either.. seems that the major and minor media are keeping this a little on the quiet side. It is amazing, however, to see your average Joe put himself on the line like this. Personal observation: Another manifestation of the 'Us vs. Them' mentality that is starting to grow in the US. What this implies, though, does not fill me with confidence.
On the surface, it seems that people performing outright acts of disobedience towards what they (rightly) think are minor league potentates overstepping their authority, is a great thing, and should be encouraged. But it has a flip side: People are arming themselves and organizing on their own to oppose our own system. This bothers me greatly, as challenges to power rarely go unanswered.
Ausonius
2003-10-16 22:42 | User Profile
As I've always said, re "gun control": In spite of their pious pronouncements, it isn't "crime" that the Imperium is worried about -- it's [I]rebellion.[/I]
It's no surprise that there's a news blackout on this. The commissars are deathly afraid that this sort of thing could catch on.
Ausonius, I agree that this is a manifestation of an "us vs. them" mindset -- and one which "them" have been working overtime to bring upon themselves for years. Where I disagree is your assertion that "People are arming themselves and organizing on their own to oppose our own system."
It [I]isn't[/I] "our own system" any more. And it hasn't been for a long time.
2003-10-17 03:27 | User Profile
arkady,
Sadly, all too true! [QUOTE][B]It isn't "our own system" any more. And it hasn't been for a long time.[/B][/QUOTE]
2003-10-17 04:14 | User Profile
I live in Denver and it's the first I've heard of it. I did a search in the web page of The Rocky Mountain News, and found an article on Rick Stanley dated Nov. 1, 2002. It didn't mention any armed standoff with militia, and barely mentioned guns.
From The RMN:
"Stanley is a self-described "attack dog," defender of the U.S. Constitution and the right to bear arms.
Three times this year, he has been arrested for flouting gun control laws by carrying a holstered handgun to public campaign events."
I watch very little TV, and no local news, so this could easily have made the local news and I missed it.
Enkidu
2003-10-17 19:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arkady]As I've always said, re "gun control": In spite of their pious pronouncements, it isn't "crime" that the Imperium is worried about -- it's [I]rebellion.[/I]
It's no surprise that there's a news blackout on this. The commissars are deathly afraid that this sort of thing could catch on.
Ausonius, I agree that this is a manifestation of an "us vs. them" mindset -- and one which "them" have been working overtime to bring upon themselves for years. [B]Where I disagree is your assertion that "People are arming themselves and organizing on their own to oppose our own system[/B]."
[B]It [I]isn't[/I] "our own system" any more. And it hasn't been for a long time[/B].[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected. Very apt, sir. Taken in the context of the whole, I made the rather amateurish mistake of thinking that the system we have is as it has always been even though I made the exact opposite point elsewhere. I should have said: "The system we have now" instead of "our own system", a minor mistake, but one that I do make from time to time... nice catch. I'll need to watch myself around here from now on. :cheers:
Still, it does link nicely with a post I made on another thread about Denver being referred to as "The Moscow of the West" re: all the SoCal people and immigrants which have flooded Denver in the last 10 to 15 years or so, and have changed the demographics so much that it is barely recognizeable as the city it used to be. Repleat with the knuckleheaded do-gooder socialist bastards trying to force an egalitarian system on us all (and trying to get us dependant on Big Daddy Government for everything, including defense of one's own self, even though the Supreme Court of the United States ruled long ago that Law Enforcement agencies have no obligation to protect [I]YOU[/I] personally, just society at large). Seems that after a ruling like that, one would think that the minor league potentates would have gotten the message and made firearms ownership and proficiency mandatory... even government subsidised! That would be a thing to see, indeed. Maybe we can pencil that into the Bill of Rights when it comes time to rebuild. Along with a Bill of Responsibilities to counter the Bill of Rights (thanks to Judge Bork for the idea).
Ausonius