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2003-10-11 06:40 | User Profile
The following is from [url]http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/Unfit.htm[/url]
[New October, 2003] A review of three books on the old eugenics: War Against the Weak, The Unfit, & American Eugenics. Modern moralizing continues to try and turn back eugenic/genetic considerations in improving the human condition by recognizing that nature and nurture are both important to the health of any society or nation. Edwin Black especially in War Against the Weak goes to great lengths to link old eugenics with Nordic supremacism and then the Holocaust. But a careful reading of his work and others shows otherwise--the Holocaust was the result of group evolutionary strategies that climaxed in warfare.
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race by Edwin Black, 2003. The Unfit: A History of a Bad Idea by Elof Axel Carlson, 2001. American Eugenics: Race, Queer Anatomy, and the Science of Nationalism by Nancy Ordover, 2003.
A review of three recent books on eugenics by Matt Nuenke, October, 2003.
War Against the Weak, like so many books by the Left, is really about the continuing war against the strong. Black tries to link eugenics with everything evil, and especially with the Holocaust. However, his contradictions, overt omissions, and slanted text show more about his own political agenda than anything to do with the history of eugenics. Nowhere in this book does he seem to be able to link the similarities between Nazi Germany of the past and Israel today when it comes to displacing other people (the Palestinians) for the expansion of the Jewish nation. But first, let me get out of the way all of the "Nordic super race" nonsense he scatters throughout the book:
"Selected because of their ancestry, national origin, race or religion, they were forcibly sterilized, wrongly committed to mental institutions where they died in great numbers, prohibited from marrying, and sometimes even unmarried by state bureaucrats. In America, this battle to wipe out whole ethnic groups was fought not by armies with guns nor by hate sects at the margins. Rather, this pernicious white-gloved war was prosecuted by esteemed professors, elite universities, wealthy industrialists and government officials colluding in a racist, pseudoscientific movement called eugenics. The purpose: create a superior Nordic race."
Black makes it sound like eugenics was a conspiratorial plot like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, where the Jews were said to be plotting a take-over of the world. Nonsense, eugenics had many faces and many advocates from Marxists to outright racists with little interest in eugenics. It fact, it was no movement at all when one compares the different players and objectivesââ¬âthey were all over the ideological map which he goes on to show throughout his book (as well as the second book I will be reviewingââ¬âThe Unfit: A History of a Bad Idea).
Complete article is at [url]http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/Unfit.htm[/url]
2003-10-17 21:46 | User Profile
Population control really isn't an issue in countries from "Norway" to "Costa Rica", that have gone against our male biological programming and created legal and accountability structures that allow female empowerment. The people who were concerned about population control really had no idea what they were doing. The fact is that when you put external pressures on humans, like war and forced sterilization, they tend to overpopulate and overcompensate any way they can. The result is usually massive overcompensation.
Malthus and sustainable Human Population.
Fortunately we live in an era where science and reason can overcome our superstitions. --- ### croesus *2003-10-17 21:48* | [User Profile](/od/user/0) Were there all-out war against the unfit, weak, and stupid then "Conservative" aka "Ares" would be one of the first casualties. --- ### Mithras *2003-10-23 15:16* | [User Profile](/od/user/782) [QUOTE=Conservative]War Against the Weak, like so many books by the Left, is really about the continuing war against the strong. [/QUOTE] Nailed it. The inferior left needs to destroy the superior in order to feel "comfortable and accepted." Also, that is the only way they can maintain power. There is the slave-moral and there is the master-moral. When the slaves rule time travels backwards into pure savagery. --- ### Agrippa *2003-10-23 16:43* | [User Profile](/od/user/772) [QUOTE=Mithras]Nailed it. The inferior left needs to destroy the superior in order to feel "comfortable and accepted." Also, that is the only way they can maintain power. There is the slave-moral and there is the master-moral. When the slaves rule time travels backwards into pure savagery.[/QUOTE] Possible but not true in every case. In fact Eugenic and Racism are two different things but with the same goal normally to make your population better or at least keep the Niveau. Today Eugenic is something different from what was actual 50 years ago. Because its really more important what features are inherited than who is procreating. F.e. a man with low inherited IQ but maybe the recessive gene for higher intelligence could procreat himself even in a society which adopted modern Eugenic. They must just control the Spermium or at least the Embryo. So on the long term could every good family just inherit their best features and lose their bad. Thats possible for every human without too much failures. Its like a good book with some letters wrong...correcting that letters will be an easy task soon. But a bad book (Genom) even without obvious failures cant be corrected that easy. That would be the main reason for racism at least in those regions were one race is better adapted. [QUOTE]Nonsense, eugenics had many faces and many advocates from Marxists to outright racists with little interest in eugenics. [/QUOTE] So true! every thinking human want to make the species and his people better. Just looking at education, nurture is the wrong way. The problem modern Eugenic got at the moment is just that irrational thoughts of emotionilized people dont allow a rational discussion. The religious claim "god is against it no matter what it is meaning for the group" and the liberals say "look at the holocaust we have to hold up individual rights no matter what it is meaning for the group". Just unlogic... We see the contraselective trends in our society, and if we want to stop it and even make the standard better for our population Eugenic is the way, the only human way with modern Genetic. --- ### triskelion *2003-10-23 17:09* | [User Profile](/od/user/394) A bit more honesty is needed here. Ares (who now calls him self "Conservative") has often on this board embraced "blending" (as Sam Francis would say) jews, Asians and Occidentals. He also repeatedly stated that he thinks Occidentals are racially inferior as well as spoken in glowing terms about Isreal. His interest in "transhumanism" is the notion that wacky sci-fi futurism combined with genetics provides the means for racially inferior whites to be absobed into some new super race that may not even be organic at all but instead be like his favorite Star Trek figure Data. Those that read his posts should keep those realities in mind when viewing his postings from neo-eugenics and like mined sites that also share love of the "eugenic" destruction of Occidentals. --- ### Mithras *2003-10-23 17:45* | [User Profile](/od/user/782) [QUOTE=Agrippa]Possible but not true in every case. In fact Eugenic and Racism are two different things but with the same goal normally to make your population better or at least keep the Niveau. [/QUOTE] I wasn't just referring to eugenics but of all things superior. Take religion, for instance. It embodies a program for the betterment of mankind. It is attacked by the left principally for this reason. All of this happens of course without full comprehension of the facts by all lefties. But since when did lefties "fully comprehend facts", ha? :king: --- ### Mithras *2003-10-23 17:54* | [User Profile](/od/user/782) [QUOTE=triskelion]His interest in "transhumanism" is the notion that wacky sci-fi futurism combined with genetics provides the means for racially inferior whites to be absobed into some new super race that may not even be organic at all but instead be like his favorite Star Trek figure Data. [/QUOTE] I'd sure like to hear why he supports this. Transhumanism is a socialist/humanist creation, which seeks to blend all different genes from animals, bacteria, races, etc., to "better" the human and then merge this "posthuman" with machines, nanoparticles, robotic body parts... Once this is done they openly call for the extinction of the human species and the triumph of their cyborg race. Governments, especially the US and Israel are working on this right now. THe implications of nanotechnology is that of total mind control in the service of ZOG. Any folkist in support of transhumanism should consider the consequences of this mad invention. --- ### Agrippa *2003-10-23 20:35* | [User Profile](/od/user/772) [QUOTE=Mithras]I'd sure like to hear why he supports this. Transhumanism is a socialist/humanist creation, which seeks to blend all different genes from animals, bacteria, races, etc., to "better" the human and then merge this "posthuman" with machines, nanoparticles, robotic body parts... Once this is done they openly call for the extinction of the human species and the triumph of their cyborg race. Governments, especially the US and Israel are working on this right now. THe implications of nanotechnology is that of total mind control in the service of ZOG. Any folkist in support of transhumanism should consider the consequences of this mad invention.[/QUOTE] You mean this seriously? :taz: --- ### Hilaire Belloc *2003-10-23 21:53* | [User Profile](/od/user/438) [QUOTE=Mithras]I'd sure like to hear why he supports this. Transhumanism is a socialist/humanist creation, which seeks to blend all different genes from animals, bacteria, races, etc., to "better" the human and then merge this "posthuman" with machines, nanoparticles, robotic body parts... Once this is done they openly call for the extinction of the human species and the triumph of their cyborg race. Yes I've read this technophile nonsense from one of its most famous advocates, Hans Moravec. He joyfully talks about "evolution" and how humans should work towards their own destruction to be replaced by the cyborg race. > Governments, especially the US and Israel are working on this right now. THe implications of nanotechnology is that of total mind control in the service of ZOG. Any folkist in support of transhumanism should consider the consequences of this mad invention.[/QUOTE] Sad isn't it? --- ### Mithras *2003-10-23 21:53* | [User Profile](/od/user/782) [QUOTE=Agrippa]You mean this seriously? :taz:[/QUOTE] As serious as I am about the truth, yes, of course. --- ### Agrippa *2003-10-24 01:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/772) [QUOTE]Yes I've read this technophile nonsense from one of its most famous advocates, Hans Moravec. He joyfully talks about "evolution" and how humans should work towards their own destruction to be replaced by the cyborg race.[/QUOTE] If there is anybody which say something like that it would be the endpoint of thinking in the west after the Holocaust. "The Nazis are bad, the Germans are bad, Europeans are bad, all whites are bad, the human species is bad...better make an end to this bad things..." Idiotic. If I speak pro-Eugenic I want to do it for ensuring the survival of good and fine thinking and physically progressive and strong humans, not because I want make them "monsters" or completely replace mankind. I didnt thought that anybody is taking Star Trek so seriously... Eugenic = Just to make mankind better, without changing the good things. Humanity has so much potential, this should be used, but not because we want to replace it, because we want to make the survival and further higher development sure. Evolution isnt over, we should just complete what cant be completed without genetic control in modern societies. --- ### Hilaire Belloc *2003-10-24 07:14* | [User Profile](/od/user/438) [QUOTE=Agrippa] If I speak pro-Eugenic I want to do it for ensuring the survival of good and fine thinking and physically progressive and strong humans, not because I want make them "monsters" or completely replace mankind. I didnt thought that anybody is taking Star Trek so seriously... Eugenic = Just to make mankind better, without changing the good things. Humanity has so much potential, this should be used, but not because we want to replace it, because we want to make the survival and further higher development sure. Evolution isnt over, we should just complete what cant be completed without genetic control in modern societies.[/QUOTE] I don't know my views on Eugenics are a little foggy. I agree with Julius Evola that eugenics often degrades into biological materialism. --- ### Mithras *2003-10-24 13:57* | [User Profile](/od/user/782) [QUOTE=Agrippa]If there is anybody which say something like that it would be the endpoint of thinking in the west after the Holocaust. "The Nazis are bad, the Germans are bad, Europeans are bad, all whites are bad, the human species is bad...better make an end to this bad things..." Idiotic. If I speak pro-Eugenic I want to do it for ensuring the survival of good and fine thinking and physically progressive and strong humans, not because I want make them "monsters" or completely replace mankind. I didnt thought that anybody is taking Star Trek so seriously... Eugenic = Just to make mankind better, without changing the good things. Humanity has so much potential, this should be used, but not because we want to replace it, because we want to make the survival and further higher development sure. Evolution isnt over, we should just complete what cant be completed without genetic control in modern societies.[/QUOTE] We're talking about transhumanism which is a completely different can of worms. Scientists have already stated that cyborg technology is now possible and DAARPA is working on similar projects. It is all cloaked in "good-will" but we all know the darkside. Nanotechnology is one such demon. An upside being promoted is that tiny robots could be implanted in one's body to regulate its conditions and administer treatments. Downside of course is that nano-robots and nano-computers could be used to destroy millions. GM crops are similar to the transhuman nightmare. They are supposed to enhance the product but will only result in exterminating the natural order of things. --- ### Agrippa *2003-10-24 15:04* | [User Profile](/od/user/772) [QUOTE=Mithras]We're talking about transhumanism which is a completely different can of worms. Scientists have already stated that cyborg technology is now possible and DAARPA is working on similar projects. It is all cloaked in "good-will" but we all know the darkside. Nanotechnology is one such demon. An upside being promoted is that tiny robots could be implanted in one's body to regulate its conditions and administer treatments. Downside of course is that nano-robots and nano-computers could be used to destroy millions. GM crops are similar to the transhuman nightmare. They are supposed to enhance the product but will only result in exterminating the natural order of things.[/QUOTE] The main problem with genetic engeneering is you should have a great responsibility in using it. But does liberal-capitalism has any responsibility? ---