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2003-10-08 03:27 | User Profile
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/recall.main/index.html[/url]
CNN projection: Davis out, Schwarzenegger wins Tuesday, October 7, 2003 Posted: 11:02 PM EDT (0302 GMT)
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- CNN projects that California's electorate will recall Democratic Gov. Gray Davis and choose actor-turned-politician, Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Golden State's next governor, based on statewide exit polls.
Davis, re-elected to a second term less than a year ago, would become the first governor recalled from office since 1921, when North Dakota voters ousted Gov. Lynn Frazier.
The race -- borne out of voter discontent with the California economy and dissatisfaction with the incumbent Democrat's leadership -- tightened in the closing days, marked by accusations against front-running replacement candidate Schwarzenegger, and charges of ugly politics.
Polls closed at 8 p.m. (11 p.m. EDT).
"So far, at least, we've been hearing that turnout is on a par with what we've seen in some record-breaking years for governor's elections," Secretary of State Kevin Shelley said.
The respected Field Poll predicted as many as 10 million voters would cast ballots -- 30 percent more than the 7.7 million who elected the 60-year-old Democrat to a second term in November 2002 and a record in the state for a non-presidential contest.
The secretary of state's office said that based on turnout in Los Angeles and some other indicator counties, the statewide vote could be as high as 60 percent -- comparable to that of 1998, the year Davis first won election as governor. That would amount to 9.24 million of California's 15.4 registered voters this year -- about 385,000 more than were registered in 2002.
Shelley said more than 2.2 million absentee ballots have already been cast -- votes that could be critical in a close race. (Gallery: Scenes from the vote; CNN's The Morning Grind: It all comes down to voter turnout)
Tuesday's election was the climax of one of the most bizarre episodes in recent U.S. political history. Voters decided to recall Davis and chose Schwarzenegger from among 135 names on the ballot. (Genesis of recall rooted in energy crisis; Interactive: Recall petition signature counts)
Under the recall rules, a majority of votes were necessary to oust Davis, but his replacement only needed a plurality of votes. (Interactive: What happens if Davis is recalled?)
Davis said he felt "absolutely terrific" as he cast his ballot Tuesday in West Hollywood.
"I'm proud of the campaign we've run," he said.
He urged his supporters to turn out at the polls and said the state is in good shape despite the economic problems that helped trigger the recall. He also touted his record on health care, education and the environment.
"All these things have moved this state forward, and we've moved forward together," Davis said. "That's what I want to continue to do if the people are good enough to let me do it." (Biography: Gray Davis)
Recent polls showed a majority of likely voters favor the recall and Schwarzenegger atop the field of replacement candidates, followed by Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, a Democrat; and another Republican, state Sen. Tom McClintock.
"It's up to God what the decision is," Schwarzenegger told a crush of reporters after voting near his Pacific Palisades home with his wife, Maria Shriver. "We've done all the work, and we've worked hard and campaigned hard and tried to get the message out there."
McClintock, a veteran conservative, predicted an upset as he cast his ballot at a Los Angeles community center, urging voters to follow their consciences rather than last-minute handicapping. (GOP candidates vote)
"People think that by voting for me, they might elect someone they don't want," he said. "My message is simply, if you vote your conscience, we'll be elected on election night."
Schwarzenegger's campaign has been rocked over the past five days by allegations from at least 15 women that he groped and sexually harassed them in incidents stretching back three decades. (On the Scene: CNN's Kelly Wallace)
Schwarzenegger has both apologized for behaving badly and disputed some of the accusations, but he has not been specific.(Full story)
Women were featured prominently on the rostrum at his speeches Monday. Both Shriver and her mother, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, sister of the late President John F. Kennedy, were on hand to offer very public support.
He has also been dogged by allegations that he expressed admiration for Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler in a 1975 interview, though those charges largely dissipated after two figures involved in the interview discounted them. Schwarzenegger, who, like Hitler, is a native of Austria, has vehemently denied that he ever had Nazi sympathies.
2003-10-08 05:05 | User Profile
Same “news” service reports on a formidable male-female split in Ahnold voters. Obviously the strongman is no Clinton when it comes to appeal to the fairer sex despite certain weaknesses. The real news will come when voters are compared along racial lines. It may be that the “last gasp of white America” epitaph is more fitting for this occasion rather than proposition 187. If so it was an impressive display, albeit misplaced. White exodus will remain a trickle and not turn into a flood as quickly as would be the case had the mestizo won. The agony is merely being prolonged. :wallbash:
2003-10-08 05:31 | User Profile
Thank goodness Davis is out but Arnooooold is just another Clinton. Jews love dictators. That's why the Rothschilds helped him out. He's just their puppet. They will be the ones behind the scenes doing all the thinking and Arnoooold will do all the emoting. He's a worthless opportunist.
2003-10-08 05:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=fucla]is everything a Jewish conspiracy?[/QUOTE]
Well, read the end of the CNN.com article:
[B] ...Schwarzenegger, who, like Hitler, is a native of Austria, has vehemently denied that he ever had Nazi sympathies.[/B]
I just can't imagine the news saying something like "Joe Fong, who, like mass-murderer Chairman Mao, is a native of China..."
Somehow this sort of thing only happens to one flavor of human, it never happens to the other flavors, and the news biz is definitely kosher. You decide.
2003-10-08 06:52 | User Profile
CNN's exit poll projection of spic voting was that Schwarzenegger got 52% of their vote versus 32% for Bustamante. Of course, juu Blitzer and that lump of crap Schneider said that this "proves" that cucarachas don't vote as a bloc, but noted political commentator N.B. Forrest begs to differ: the brownies were just star-struck by the macho action film hero, like most of the rest. They too are curious as to how he'll handle being governor - and let's face it: even they prefer looking at the Terminator to looking at that ugly dwarf Bustamante.
2003-10-08 07:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=fucla]i wholeheartedly agree that there is a double standard on how race relations/issues are conveyed via the various media outlets. i am just not gonna buy the jewish conspiracy that is so pervasive around here.
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Then you'll fail to understand the just who's responsible for that double standard you lament, rendering your opposition to it ineffective.
And the ewws didn't gather in some back room to smoke their fat cigars and formulate a plot to take over the White world; it's a simple matter of biological struggle between species for resources and survival. Nothing more than that.
2003-10-08 07:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE]there isnt a boogey man behind every corner. sorry.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is. I'd tell you more but they're watching me again.
[QUOTE]"All these things have moved this state forward, and we've moved forward together," Davis said.
Schwarzenegger told reporters "We've done all the work, and we've worked hard and campaigned hard and tried to get the message out there." [/QUOTE]
Don't you love the clear refreshing no-content Nutrasweet babblespeak of politicians? "We're moving forward together" - to throw me out of office. "We're getting the message out" - the message of [I]vote for me, I am movie stah.[/I]
You mght as well have combined electoral politics and hip-hop marketing by having Davis campaign in a HE HATE ME jersey while Arnold whistle-stops the state in a TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES muscle t. As ever, the first man to say 'deportations' loses.
2003-10-08 07:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]CNN's exit poll projection of spic voting was that Schwarzenegger got 52% of their vote versus 32% for Bustamante.[/QUOTE]
I think you have that backwards. The CNN article says "While 52 percent of Latinos voted for Bustamante, the state's top Hispanic official, a strong 30 percent backed Schwarzenegger."
Schwarzenegger won such a high vote because he's a liberal with strong name recognition. If hispanic voters thought of his as a Republican, he would have lost a number of votes. If they thought of him as a concervative, Arnold would only have won the misvotes.
Also, keep in mind that many hispanics are fairly new to America. Their concept of the Republican and Democrat parties is foggy. As that fog clears, they'll either decide to be white people or latinos. If they chose to be latino, they'll vote the same as blacks and Jews, overwhelmingly for Democrats.
2003-10-08 07:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]I think you have that backwards. The CNN article says "While 52 percent of Latinos voted for Bustamante, the state's top Hispanic official, a strong 30 percent backed Schwarzenegger."
You're right, my mistake.
2003-10-08 07:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=fucla]does using various epithets and derogatory adjectives really allow for others to view your comments in a serious manner. perhaps, you could care less about changing the opinions of others. [/QUOTE]
I'd like to change the opinions of those with above room temperature I.Qs. The others I don't worry my pretty little head about. Oh - and you can criticize the content of my posts after you learn about capitalization and punctuation.
[QUOTE]so, then i wonder...what is the point of posting here? simply a nice place for all the white folks to hang out and beat their chests about how great they are?[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's it.
2003-10-08 12:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest][QUOTE=Happy Hacker]I think you have that backwards. The CNN article says "While 52 percent of Latinos voted for Bustamante, the state's top Hispanic official, a strong 30 percent backed Schwarzenegger."
You're right, my mistake.[/QUOTE]
The White Latinos?
2003-10-08 19:17 | User Profile
Rudel: now Governor Schwarzenegger will have to deal with the Democratic State House which doesn't work particularly well with Republicans.
That said, Gov. Ronald Reagan, who said No New Taxes proceeded to go to the Dem. State House where he worked with the pols and offered new taxes...once Reagan got elected he saw that there was no other way...he did the same thing when he was elected president: he made nice with Dem. Tip O'Neill.
Arnold is a social liberal Republican...that does not sit well with the Radical Right...he won't be able to deliver Caleefornia to Bush...not going to happen.
2003-10-08 19:27 | User Profile
fucia: You've only posted about 10 times. You'll find that most of the folks here hate Jews - they even hate for me to capitalize "J"ew if you can imagine that.
However, I'm an advocate of free speech, even hate speech. Because I post here doesn't mean that I think as they do. Just speak your mind on the subjects that interest you.
The sub-title of Original Dissent Forum is: Traditional Conservatism for and from the Common Man. I guess 'traditional conservatism' here means that One hates Jews and Blacks and just about anyone who isn't PURE or of Germanic background. I'm new here myself. There is no question that the posters here know their subjects - so give it a chance.
Whether They will allow Other opinions is another question, of course.
2003-10-08 21:56 | User Profile
Hi Arjurg, fucla. I can sympathize with your shock at some of the comments ODers throw around, because not long ago I would have shared your disquiet. However, I have discovered that there is objective evidence to support the general world-view held by many of us at this forum. (The morality of how to deal with the situation is subject to debate- we're not all "vertical expulsion" advocates.)
For evidence of Jewish influence on American policy making, especially immigration, multiculturalism, and involvment with communism, I would suggest Kevin MacDonald's book "The Culture of Critique". It lays out the evidence far more convincingly than anything I've read on the subject.
Regarding racial IQ differences, there is Hernstein and Murray, Levinson, and Rushton. For evidence of the high levels of criminality in certain minorities, see the Justice Department's 1994 crime statistics. Amren.com has a downloadable PDF report on the study and its conclusions.
Other OD posters can give you more detailed info if you are interested in researching why we think what we think.
2003-10-08 21:58 | User Profile
Y'all two haven't made the most gracious of entrances.
But as far as your contentions that everyone here "hates" Jews and Blacks I would say you're reaching. I would bet that most folks here do not "hate" either group in the sense that they wish them harm for no other reason than they are what they are. Personally, I recognize that both groups have interests as races and that they should and do legitimately act on them. What I do hate is the fact that the self-righteous bastards would deny the mass of Whites the same opportunites they've arrogated soley to themselves while lecturing us on what rotten folks we are for noticing. In terms of unflattering, un-PC language, yes, there is more than you'll see on the average ABC sitcom, that's for sure, but keep in mind, most people here are contrarians, and the more you proscribe a behavior, the more we want to do it, just to annoy those who would appoint themselves our morality nannies, kinda like you two. But, keep in mind that the board software won't allow spc, kke or ngger through but it will pass on cracker, redneck and honky, so I don't think your sensibilities will be too offended. Besides, what's so wrong with a good ngger or Jew joke once in a while? If I can laugh at a particularly good mullet joke, then why aren't cornrows fair game as well?
As to what Other opinions you'll be "allowed" to post, that's up to Tex, but I suggest that y'all have got nothing on rban and since he's allowed to post, I think you don't have anything to worry about.
2003-10-08 22:14 | User Profile
Schwartzenner was cultivated early on by the Rothschilds. And his supporters were all members of the Bohemian Grove and NY power brokers like Buffett who's an honorary Jew. The Jewish-American elite make sure that no one comes to power in the US - at least in an important job - unless they control them. They don't want anybody running the US who would place America's interests first. It's a Jew thing to control absolutely everything. When someone does make it into power whom they can't control or who does something they don't like, they get rid of him. They killed JF Kennedy because he wasn't good for Jews. They probably killed Sen. Wellstone as well because he was against invading Iraq. He may have been Jewish but Jews kill their own if they get in the way. What I don't understand is why there is not a worldwide movement to hunt these people down and kill them all once and for all. It's not as if they'd be missed or anything.
2003-10-09 05:14 | User Profile
LMAO I saw Sean Hannity on Fox News today predicting the imminent success of Ahnold's governorship. All California has to do now is slash taxes and implement Reagan economics and lo and behold, paradise awaits! The California recall is being billed as an "earthquake" and victory for the liberal Republicans, as if it had anything to do with real admiration of their economic policies instead of disgust with Gray Davis. There is not a damn thing Ahnold can do to solve California's twin woes - fwee twade and massive turd world immigration - both will continue to destroy the Granola State.
2003-10-09 07:25 | User Profile
California will have to be renamed to "Kaleefornya".
:clown:
2003-10-09 07:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arjurg]fucia: You've only posted about 10 times. You'll find that most of the folks here hate Jews - they even hate for me to capitalize "J"ew if you can imagine that.
I'd like to know who "they" are. I have only seen one post where someone wrote to you about that.
However, I'm an advocate of free speech, even hate speech. Because I post here doesn't mean that I think as they do. Just speak your mind on the subjects that interest you.
I don't believe for a minute that everyone here agrees on everything. There is a certain common consensus for root causes for the decline of the U.S. If pointing out those people who promote policies that will ultimately destroy this country is "hate speech," then so be it.
The sub-title of Original Dissent Forum is: Traditional Conservatism for and from the Common Man. I guess 'traditional conservatism' here means that One hates Jews and Blacks and just about anyone who isn't PURE or of Germanic background. I'm new here myself.
"Traditional conservatism," i.e. paleoconservatism, Old Right. There are a number of people who hold those views here.
There is no question that the posters here know their subjects - so give it a chance.
Awfully white of you.
Whether They will allow Other opinions is another question, of course.[/QUOTE]
You are being allowed to right now. As long as you are civil, and I think that you have, based on what I have read of yours, you won't have any problems. If I posted some of my thoughts on "Free" Republic, I'd last maybe five minutes and that is with my remarks toned down.
I know this for a fact.
2003-10-09 09:25 | User Profile
Well now... let's not forget that Arnie is a Kennedy by marriage. Any bets on how much that family influence will find its way into the CA Governor's office?
2003-10-23 17:30 | User Profile
Sertorious: who are the '2 percent' who are causing the problems you speak about?
2003-10-23 17:40 | User Profile
Maximillian: perhaps I'm not as well informed as many here are but I'm trying to understand why so many of the posts are so vehemently anti-Jewish. Posters here appear to think that Whites don't have the same freedom of speech as Blacks or Jews, etc.
I think that is patently ridiculous...the perfect example is the OD forum...I don't think anyone is trying to shut this down.
That said, don't you think that Jews and Blacks and Latinos have a right to be in government? Perhaps even to be president? If not, why not? I remember when the same scare tactics were used against Catholics...and then John Kennedy was elected.
2003-10-24 12:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arjurg]Sertorious: who are the '2 percent' who are causing the problems you speak about?[/QUOTE]
Arjurg,
It should be obvious. Jews. I base my opinion on their voting habits, their ability to engage us, in my opinion, in wars that are not in America's interest, and their unparalled capacity to promote the worst forms of behavior here. By that I mean what some call the "popular culture." (sic) I can add financial crimes as well. I don't make it a habit to blanket smear an entire people, but in the case of the Jews I have to make an extraordinary exception, for there are no other people quite like them.
2003-10-24 17:55 | User Profile
Sertorius: Yes, Jews. I presume that by their 'voting habits' you mean that they are predominately liberals...and they Are. However, not all of them are liberals. I direct your attention to the mostly Jewish neocons advising this administration...they have a decidely conservative bent.
People like Midge Dector (sp?) and father & son Podheretz are at the conservative end of the political spectrum...David Brooks a Jew and now a columnist for The NY Times...there are many, many more.
Jews are no different than Poles, Germans, Italians, Latinos and Blacks in preferring to keep their ethnicity rather than intermarrying...but no matter, intermarrying will occur anyway and one day America's complexion will be decidely cafe au lait, actually quite attractive IMO. Perhaps when that happens, the racial categorizing will diminish. I hope so.
My mother and her brothers and sister were of Dutch descent and all of them were in the, then, popular Ku Klux Klan. When Mom married my dad, there was hell to pay...Dad was of Italian-English descent and a Catholic to boot. To this day, my mother exhibits hatred of Jews, 'Niggers' 'Chinks' and 'Spics'. We 'discovered' Mom's white gown and hood when we moved from her childhood home. In cleaning out the attic, my brother threw down this dusty 'white' thing...my dad: "What's this?" Mom: "Ohmigod, Ohmigod"...my father pulled the thing apart and there was hell to pay. He threw the robe and hood in the backyard and burned them. We never discussed this with anyone.
In 1964 when Barry Goldwater ran for president, my husband and I took Mom to the West Orange, New Jersey armory to listen to the Senator. Demonstrators were screaming and yelling and banging upon the doors. Not to be believed - my mother climbed up on a chair and proceeded to scream: "You dirty *&^ Commies" She yelled louder and louder by the minute. We were stunned to say the least...that's when I told my husband about Mom and the KKK.
So, you see, I'm familiar with the 'anti' sentiment but I don't agree with it.
2003-10-27 20:16 | User Profile
new and improved: "neo" means new, modern/a new or revised form of. So a Neoconservative is a 'new, modern conservative.
This NEW conservative is a Statist at heart 'though he'd deny it. Professor and Nobel prize winner, Friedrich Hayek(Economics 1974) expounded on the subject of what a conservative is in The Road to Serfdom: 'true liberalism is still distinct from conservatism, and there is danger in the two being confused. Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power-adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism (YES, YES!!!) than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place. A conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege and to lean on the power of the government for the protection of privilege."
I believe that neoconservatives are Statists...they have evolved from the traditional conservative for a variety of reasons. Perhaps one of those reasons is Israel...I can certainly understand this. But just today I read in the newspaper that a large group of Israelis want Sharon and company to cease and desist building on that border - indeed INTO Palestinian territory - are They the same as the Sharon Jews do you think?
2003-10-29 23:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=new and improved] You're being dishonest.[/QUOTE]
That's a safe bet, considering arjudn claims not to know what ZOG means.
2003-10-31 18:47 | User Profile
Control state with their own candidate
Insider group controls media and politicians, even manipulates Presidents. President Kennedy was assasinated; President Nixon was impeached and almost so was President clinton.
Now it seems they preferred to have their own patsy. Such like Ventura in Minnesota, Schwarzenneger in California and Wesley Clark for the Demo's president candidate. These people have one thing in common, that is they have no experience of politics. So they became a plain puppet, handled by the men behind them. Arnold Schwarzenneger ducked debates which needed imminent question and answer but only attended one which the question had been given in advance. This may prove he has little knowledge of government and politics in his brain but can only recite the answers previously taught by his handlers. The result of Ventura being Governor of Minnesota was clear. That Demo lost mid-election in 2002 which they shouldn't lost. (See message "151. Development of California recall") I don't know if it is another coincidence but the hacker teenager scapegoat was found in Minnesota too. Everybody knows it's easier to set up a case in a land where regime is fully controlled.
With the help of intelligence, Arnold will steal the chair of California Governor. And the Florida 2000 election or Minnesota 2002 mid-election will repeat in California, I can foresee.