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Thread ID: 10330 | Posts: 30 | Started: 2003-10-08
2003-10-08 00:16 | User Profile
"Weiss suggests that the mutant for the IQ of 130 appeared in the ancestral Caucasoid-Mongoloid population in Eurasia, possibly about 40,000 years ago, and never penetrated the Negroids or Australian Aborigines, who therefore lack the high IQ allele."
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2003-10-08 06:39 | User Profile
African culture was never selective of higher IQ variations. American no longer is selective of higher IQs (the smarter, the fewer children).
It use to be that smart women stayed home, had lots of children and wached after the homefront. Now, smart women go to work and don't have children. Dumb women still have children because they're too dumb to go far in a career.
Smart men marry smart women, thus no children. Dumb men shack up with dumb women, thus children.
However, an enlightened woman, regardless of intelligence, is going to work for her family, not for some stranger.
2003-10-08 13:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker] However, an enlightened woman, regardless of intelligence, is going to work for her family, not for some stranger.[/QUOTE]
An excellent point. Intelligence is not the same as wisdom.
2003-10-08 21:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE]However, an enlightened woman, regardless of intelligence, is going to work for her family, not for some stranger. [/QUOTE]
I am one of those smart, enlightened women.
2003-10-09 12:47 | User Profile
IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. Large skulls house bigger brains, and the races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals have the largest brains and the highest IQs. Black saints average the lowest and White monsters fall in between. The brain size differences explain the IQ differences both within "politically correct" kosher groups and between white heterogeneous groups targeted for extinction by god's darlings.
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2003-10-09 13:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Zoroaster]IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. Large skulls house bigger brains, and the races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals have the largest brains and the highest IQs. [/QUOTE]
Jews, not Orientals have the highest IQ's. Jews are the master race.
IQ tests do predict real life success, however there are many ways to measure intelligence and there are many kinds of intelligence.
Most IQ tests, like the ones Mensa uses, place much emphasis on speed and memory. I think this is a legitimate measurement of a person's potential to rise to the top of the workforce.
But speed and memory are inconsequential in grasping reality in depth. Also, these conventional tests do not measure your ability to reason when emotion factors in, your vulnerability to the power of suggestion, nor do they measure original thought and the ability to invent.
The East Asians have slightly superior ability in math than Whites, but look at the disparity in inventions.
The Jews don't seem to be very worried about controlling Asians at all:
The following speech was given by Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich before a special meeting of the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary, January 12, 1952
"The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years is at last within our reach, and because its fulfillment is so apparent, it behooves us to increase our efforts and our caution tenfold. I can safely promise you that before ten years have passed, our race will take its rightful place in the world, with every Jew a king and every Gentile a slave. We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born.
"Our control Commissions will, in the interest of peace and wiping out our interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with white. The white woman must cohabit with members of the dark races, the white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark people."
2003-10-10 22:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]Jews, not Orientals have the highest IQ's. Jews are the master race.
The East Asians have slightly superior ability in math than Whites, but look at the disparity in inventions.
The Jews don't seem to be very worried about controlling Asians at all:
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I've mentioned it twenty times, and I'll mention it again. Jews and Asians have higher AVERAGE IQ's than whites. However, whites have a much larger SD (standard deviation) when it comes to the 'spread' of IQ's. Jews and Asians have SD's of less than 9 points. Whites are just over 15 points. This is why Whites dominate at the very top level of the IQ ladder, the right hand side of the curve. (Asians and jews have high numbers of individuals clustered around their respective means) It should also be noted that the jews have been making sure they fudge their listed average upward over the last decade. (Jensen does good work, but he is a 'half jew' and has been at the forefront of suddenly claiming the jewish average to be 117) Their average is closer to 110 than the 117 they now try to claim. Unless they underwent some type of amazing evolution since the late 1980's. (E. Asians average about 3 to 5 points higher on IQ tests than Whites) IQ does not measure all areas of cognitive ability, obviously. If the tests did, the lack of creativity amongst jews and even more so among Asians would be more apparent, or at least, explainable. Real world achievement is also something to pay close attention to, not how many kids of certain ethnic groups are made to sit down and rote memorize and study for four or five hours per day.
Keep in mind where Asia would be now, if not for contact with the West. Then keep in mind where jews would be now, if not for contact with the West. The ability to learn, understand or memorize is not the same as the ability to take that info and create, invent, innovate. The Asians would be in a feudal state without the West. The jews would be herding sheep and trying to rip off visitors to Middle Eastern Bazaars.
2003-10-11 11:14 | User Profile
If the whites are the smartest then why did it take a Muslim scientist to form the simplest mathamatics of numerals, yes the number system. 123456789 these are the arabic numerals that the world has come to adopt. Also the making of paper which smart scientests using the mathamatical calculations using the arabic number system to write on, paper, invented by muslims. There is a whole lot of inteligent humans withing all nationalities to distinguish one to be smarter than another would not be true fact. The way we use inteligence is the important issue, how to be a better human race working toward justice and democracy as the Target. I think I should make it clear that I am not in the slightest insinuating that muslims are the smartest. We all know that the modern muslim is by no means the smartest, as a comunity to accept the religious laws they live by, I class them still in ancient days of ignorance uncivil.
Thanx
2003-10-11 17:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty][COLOR=Blue]I've mentioned it twenty times, and I'll mention it again. Jews and Asians have higher AVERAGE IQ's than whites. However, whites have a much larger SD (standard deviation) when it comes to the 'spread' of IQ's. Jews and Asians have SD's of less than 9 points. Whites are just over 15 points. This is why Whites dominate at the very top level of the IQ ladder, the right hand side of the curve. (Asians and jews have high numbers of individuals clustered around their respective means) It should also be noted that the jews have been making sure they fudge their listed average upward over the last decade. (Jensen does good work, but he is a 'half jew' and has been at the forefront of suddenly claiming the jewish average to be 117) Their average is closer to 110 than the 117 they now try to claim. Unless they underwent some type of amazing evolution since the late 1980's. (E. Asians average about 3 to 5 points higher on IQ tests than Whites) IQ does not measure all areas of cognitive ability, obviously. If the tests did, the lack of creativity amongst jews and even more so among Asians would be more apparent, or at least, explainable. Real world achievement is also something to pay close attention to, not how many kids of certain ethnic groups are made to sit down and rote memorize and study for four or five hours per day. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]Roy - I suspect you will have to re- post this 20 or more times. If not provoked, you should just send it again and again every 3 months or so.
The 3 sigma (3 standard deviations) for whites starts at 145 while for Jews with an average IQ of 110 and SD of 9 their 3 sigma would start at 137. This would mean that whites have a considerabley higher percentage of their kind with an IQ above 140 than 140. Then the most obvious question is why do Jews dominate professions such as medicene, law and admissions to the Ivy League, most particularly at Harvard. The most obvious answer is that they cheat and lie. That the white goyim suffer and are humiliated is of no concern to them.
Jensen bumping their average to 117 would enable to claim their 3 sigma starts at 144, essentially the same as people such as ourselves. I suspect soon they will claim a much broader standard deviation.
[QUOTE][COLOR=Blue]Keep in mind where Asia would be now, if not for contact with the West. Then keep in mind where jews would be now, if not for contact with the West. The ability to learn, understand or memorize is not the same as the ability to take that info and create, invent, innovate. The Asians would be in a feudal state without the West. The jews would be herding sheep and trying to rip off visitors to Middle Eastern Bazaars[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]When Marco Polo returned from China, he was described as the man of a million lies. He introduced silk, rice and pasta to Italy. The descent of the East was caused by their conceit and belief that the rest of the world had nothing to teach them.
2003-10-11 19:43 | User Profile
Welcome to originaldissent, illman.
[QUOTE=illman] There is a whole lot of inteligent humans withing all nationalities to distinguish one to be smarter than another would not be true fact. [/Quote]
[Quote]I think I should make it clear that I am not in the slightest insinuating that muslims are the smartest. We all know that the modern muslim is by no means the smartest, ...[/Quote]
Your logic is confused here. Initially you declare that one nationality is no smarter than another, and then you go on to declare that modern muslims are by no means the smartest, which implies that one group is smarter than another.
2003-10-11 23:06 | User Profile
They are ofcourse a step down on the evolutionary ladder. Their ancestors stayed in Africa (not smart decision) and our went into Eurasia and evolved nicely. This was all the accepted anthropological explanation untill political correctness took over the universities.
2003-10-12 00:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=illman]If the whites are the smartest then why did it take a Muslim scientist to form the simplest mathamatics of numerals, yes the number system. 123456789 these are the arabic numerals that the world has come to adopt.
Maybe Muslims are so stupid that the only way they could count is on their fingers?
Whites often invent things and become saddled with primative standards even while whites advance the technology. But, dumber populations don't event things and are slow so they have a greater oppertunity to establish standards when the technology is more advanced. For example, 3rd-world nations beat the US to pervasive cell phone usage simply because they never managed to establish a wired phone infrastruction so their demand for cell phones were much higher.
An example more similiar to number systems is the slow US adoption of the matric system. Created by France, the 3rd world was quicker to adopt it because their primitive nature hadn't commited them to anything else.
BTW, do you have any knowledge that the Arab people created the base 10 system, or do you just assume they evented it because they were using it while Europe was using the Roman system?
I have a hard time accepting that some certain race invented something like our current number system or paper, or whatever, when the origins of these things go so far back in the fog of history. In any case, if Arabs were so smart, what happened?
2003-10-12 01:46 | User Profile
The IQ issue seems to revolve around self-esteem on this thread.
What the &^%*@#% difference does it make whether Arabs invented something? I have no need to prop up my self-esteem by denigrating Arabs.
Let's not forget who the enemy is. Whites and Arabs have a common enemy and may benifit by working together. This does not mean that we must procreate with them or embrace their culture. Of all the non-whites in the world are there any of more strategic value to us than Arabs? Aren't White Nationalists of more strategic value to the Arabs than anyone else? Arabs have done a far better job of resisting Jews than we have in spite of similar appearance, I respect that.
Let's look at issues from the angle of motives and strategy.
Why would Jews over-emphasize their intelligence? To boost their self-esteem? Only Gentiles are that stupid. Isn't it strategically valuable to Jews to conceal their intelligence? Jews would not have done such a fine job of subjugating the stupid goyim if they weren't a lot smarter. If this superiority is not measured in IQ it exists elsewhere, maybe the psychological intensity that MacDonald speaks of.
If we intend to survive, we have to approach all issues from the perspective of strategy, like our superiors do. Underestimating the enemy and patting ourselves on the back for our creativity will only make slaves of us all.
2003-10-12 02:42 | User Profile
There are also a lot more whites in the world than Jews, thus there are more genetic duds out there lowering average white intelligence. I wonder how the white elite would stack up against Jewry. Israel, if I recall, has an average national IQ several points lower than America's, factoring in the nonwhites as well.
There is a distribution of IQ within all populations as well. A society of nothing but high IQ people in my view would be highly divisive and self-destructive.
2003-10-12 02:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=illman]If the whites are the smartest then why did it take a Muslim scientist to form the simplest mathamatics of numerals, yes the number system.[/QUOTE] I risk sounding like rban :jester: by pointing this out, but the 'Arabic' numerals are an [I]Indian[/I] invention.
2003-10-12 03:09 | User Profile
Whatever the average IQ is in Israel, we will never know since Jews control that information, and gives it out in whichever way suits their objectives.
One thing I always found interesting is that Mensa has branches in almost every country except Israel. I doubt this is because of low IQ.
But if the average IQ really is low in Israel, it would lead me to conclude that low IQ Jews have made Israel their refuge from eugenics. After all, Jews encourage the defection of their lesser bretheren and going to the "homeland" is a way for them to guarantee inclusion.
Jews seem to have a way of hijacking White elites by getting them in secret societies and corrupting them. The Skull and Bones is an example of this, and I believe Yale is the funnel.
2003-10-12 04:10 | User Profile
>>>Whatever the average IQ is in Israel, we will never know since Jews control that information, and gives it out in whichever way suits their objectives.
Its a good thing that I just happen to have IQ and the Wealth of Nations by Richard Lynn at hand. The average national IQ of Israel is 94. The American national IQ is 98, factoring in the nonwhites. If they are removed it is bumped up to 100, which is the average national IQ of the UK.
2003-10-12 10:53 | User Profile
Fade, Do you know how the author aquired and verified the information? In any non-Jewish nation, IQ data could probably be obtained from the educational establishment of that nation and taken at face value.
But Jews are the masters of deception. I doubt that they would have allowed the author to do his own testing in Israel.
Books aren't verifiable phenomena, they're information to be verified. How can the average IQ in Israel be verified?
Jews don't want us to know they are the master race, nor do they want us to know how they aquired their intelligence.
2003-10-12 17:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=edward gibbon]The 3 sigma (3 standard deviations) for whites starts at 145 while for Jews with an average IQ of 110 and SD of 9 their 3 sigma would start at 137. This would mean that whites have a considerabley higher percentage of their kind with an IQ above 140 than 140.[/QUOTE] The last 140 should be replaced with Jews. Once again whites have a higher percentage of our kind with IQ's above 140 than Jews do. If you looked at American graduate schools you could not believe that.
2003-10-23 02:12 | User Profile
If you look at average IQ for doctors its only 5 above nurses. It does not require a high IQ to be a doctor. You have to have strong verbal skills and a good memory. Analytical skills are not a must, in fact they can be a detriment. You observe and collect data look up or remember the proper treatment and you apply it. If you go outside that standard treatment you have massive liability if something goes wrong.
Lawyers also require strong verbal skills over analytical. The fact that there are a lot of jewish doctors and lawyers doesn't impress me as fact written in stone that they are the smartest group on the planet.
Those professions also require a lot of resources. Law and medical schools are not cheap.
Surprisingly or not at lot of lawyers and doctors have extremely non technical BA type undergrad degrees (english, general studies, politial science, non-calculus biology, physchology). The average IQ of undergrads in those fields is not extremely high. In fact its probably 20-30 points lower than certain engineering fields like electrical engineering.
Unfortunately they pay a lot better than engineering jobs do :(. Jobs that require a high IQ to make it through the training does not always translate to high wages.
2003-10-23 15:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=far82sight]If you look at average IQ for doctors its only 5 above nurses. It does not require a high IQ to be a doctor.
I found it a bit doubtful that doctors have an IQ only 5 points above nurses, not that I think doctors need a high IQ. As you point out, it's safer to fail with a by-the-numbers approach than to engage the brain and come up with a better treatment that still might fail. And, getting a PhD is mostly a matter of desire and resources rather than intelligence.
And, same for being a lawyer, as you point out. A dumb jury isn't going to appreciate the arguments of a smart lawyer, just those of a slick lawyer.
2003-10-24 01:36 | User Profile
I was surprised when I saw the 5 difference figure myself. I'm looking for the link if I find it again I'll post I think it was off the neoeugenetics site. I always though they were marginally trained secretary types non degreed. Turns out when I looked into it all the ones I knew had masters degrees. I think it was in that paper which I cant seem to find that starts off with ... 50 top professors in varying departments and it lists them, all agree on the following, or a link from that paper.
2003-11-02 22:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=illman]If the whites are the smartest then why did it take a Muslim scientist to form the simplest mathamatics of numerals, yes the number system. 123456789 these are the arabic numerals that the world has come to adopt. Also the making of paper which smart scientests using the mathamatical calculations using the arabic number system to write on, paper, invented by muslims. There is a whole lot of inteligent humans withing all nationalities to distinguish one to be smarter than another would not be true fact. The way we use inteligence is the important issue, how to be a better human race working toward justice and democracy as the Target. I think I should make it clear that I am not in the slightest insinuating that muslims are the smartest. We all know that the modern muslim is by no means the smartest, as a comunity to accept the religious laws they live by, I class them still in ancient days of ignorance uncivil.
Thanx[/QUOTE]
hey whiteboy, the dark races show no interest in "how to be a better human race working toward justice and democracy." they only care for their own, even though they often use the language of universalism to pursue particularistic goals.
2004-01-05 01:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]"Weiss suggests that the mutant for the IQ of 130 appeared in the ancestral Caucasoid-Mongoloid population in Eurasia, possibly about 40,000 years ago, and never penetrated the Negroids or Australian Aborigines, who therefore lack the high IQ allele."
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The idea that some "probable" mutant gene for IQ(a strictly sociological and culture dependent measurement) appeared some 40KYA and "never penetrated the Negroids or Australian Aboriginese" is mere speculation and cannot be taken seriously on scientific grounds. Skepticism about this kind of pureley speculative thesis derives from the telling fact that the Neanderthals lived in Eurasia for at least 200KY and were not able to produce the kinds of higher "IQ" groups that their supposedly more challenging environmental conditions demanded. Paradoxically for people like Weiss tropical East Africa produced not only homo habilis but both homo erectus and homo sapiens. Thus what about the argument that it was the African environment that was the most challenging in the whole world. Now humans--according to the latest confirmed hypotheses--appeared in Africa some 160-200KYA and remained there until only 50KYA before setting out to South Asia by of India to settle in Australia. A later branch then went up into Southern Eurasia about 40KYA then branched West into what is now Europe. At that coincidental time the Neanderthal populations began to decline for whatever reason.
So the facts are that humans were in Africa exclusively for at least 70% of human existence so any differences in mental capacities would be quite moot. Proof: the first civilizations were in tropical/subtropical Africa or its hinterlands: Egypt-Nubia and Mesopotamia. It is doubtful that those civilizations were developed by groups who migrated into the cold Eurasian plains then decided to migrate Southwards again after acquiring some high IQ mutant set of genes.
OK Africans supposedly score below average on so-called IQ tests. Well, what about the research of james Flynn who showed that IQ scores like money inflation have increased some 20 points in the last 2 generations. The IQ of modern Egypt is some 80 points, that of the putative desecendants of Mesopotamia some 83 points, and that of Greece 90 points. But the calendar used universally is that invented by the Ancient Egyptians, so too geometry(the pyramids prove this point) and general civil engineering. The IQ of Native Americans was measured as low as 60 points(it's all there in the literature) yet they passed through the extreme conditons of Siberia and are related to the supposedly high IQ East Asians. By the way the average IQ in India is approximately 85 points.
2004-02-25 05:31 | User Profile
Roy Batty argues that whites have the greatest standard deviation regarding intelligence. Yet, in a mixed race population, such as American blacks, the variation of both populations would be added together in proportion to the F1 population of each. This simple fact would make the standard deviation for American blacks higher than for whites (although it says nothing about the intelligence of either population).
The real question is what do African blacks score vs American blacks on the same test. If the American blacks score higher it could be through admixture or selection. It could be argued that slave owners selected smarter blacks or that the infusion of white genes elevated black IQ. I know, we all doubt the first explanation, slave owners wanted stupider blacks, not smarter ones. Nevertheless, a comparison between African and American blacks would be interesting.
2004-02-25 06:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SchwarzeSonne]The real question is what do African blacks score vs American blacks on the same test. If the American blacks score higher it could be through admixture or selection. It could be argued that slave owners selected smarter blacks or that the infusion of white genes elevated black IQ. I know, we all doubt the first explanation, slave owners wanted stupider blacks, not smarter ones. Nevertheless, a comparison between African and American blacks would be interesting.[/QUOTE] As far as I know the test is standardized, and American blacks indeed score much higher than African blacks, a mean of 85 vs. 70 for sub-saharan africans. This seems to validate your hypotheses about slave owners selection.
More likely though it seems the influence of misogony. It is pretty well known that when American "blacks" visit Africa they are often viewed by the natives as "white Americans". I'd suspect actually that the white slaveowners practicing misogony were somewhat smarter than average. I'm not sure though what the mean percentage of white blood in American blacks is - but it seems very roughly it is at least one-quarter somehow I heard once its could be as high as one-half.
2004-02-25 07:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=W.R.I.T.O.S]hey whiteboy, the dark races show no interest in "how to be a better human race working toward justice and democracy." they only care for their own, even though they often use the language of universalism to pursue particularistic goals.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone cares about money or "education", some people are just as happy with a piece of land, wife, kids and a donkey. The idea that you are stupid if you don't have money comes from the Jews, after all, green money is their true God.....About education, education can teach you only that which someone else knows and not what you really would like to know, up to a certain level education is ok but after that is like putting a blinder on a horse in order for the horse to see only straight ahead. If I were to turn you loose in the forest of the Congo or in the Sahara dessert you would be the one who would be stupid, you have to compare education, or knowledge, according to your environment and not according to what they know in the West. You cannot compare apples and pears. I for one am intelligent but not smart,,,,, I's rather be intelligent to smart any day, after all, the one who is intelligent can survive anywhere.
2004-02-25 10:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Not everyone cares about money or "education", some people are just as happy with a piece of land, wife, kids and a donkey. [/QUOTE]
When I was a kid in the Navy 25 years ago I talked with blacks on many occasions about these things. Now, at the time my head was filled with all the PeeCee stuff about the races being equal in all respects, and I was shocked to learn that blacks didn't feel that way at all. They really had no problem with the obvious fact that they didn't have "school smarts" as one of them referred to it but that they were on average much better at other things.
It didn't bother them at all, which made all the propaganda brain-washing sessions the Navy made us sit through rather odd.
It's an important point to keep in mind. From my experience blacks are quite pleased with being just what they are, and they don't place much value on "school smarts". So what's so terrible about that? Why shouldn't blacks be proud of being exactly what God made them?
Actually, this realization that it wasn't an issue for them but that it was an issue for whites was one of the first things that started gnawing at me and my undiagnosed Marxitis.
It was only years later when I read the Bell Curve that I realized that all the crap I'd been taught about racial equality was intentional falsehood.
Walter
2004-02-25 11:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE]OK Africans supposedly score below average on so-called IQ tests. Well, what about the research of james Flynn who showed that IQ scores like money inflation have increased some 20 points in the last 2 generations. [/QUOTE]
It seems to me that the Flynn Effect proves that there is indeed a strong genetic component to IQ. It shows merely that a general rise in living standards improves IQ for both groups - the question is why the gap remains and doesn't close.
[QUOTE]The IQ of modern Egypt is some 80 points, that of the putative desecendants of Mesopotamia some 83 points, and that of Greece 90 points. But the calendar used universally is that invented by the Ancient Egyptians, so too geometry(the pyramids prove this point) and general civil engineering. [/QUOTE]
You're not talking about the same genetic group there. Egypt and Iraq are much less white than they were when the ancients built the first civilizations. Not many Egyptian women look much like Nefertiti these days (although there are a few). The Egyptians were subject to a steady stream of African genes coming up from Nubia, which lowered the average IQ to the levels you indicate.
Most of what is now the Arab world was conquered by the mixed-race Arabs, which was nearly co-extensive for a long time with Islam, which rejects racial classifications utterly.
[QUOTE]The IQ of Native Americans was measured as low as 60 points(it's all there in the literature) yet they passed through the extreme conditons of Siberia and are related to the supposedly high IQ East Asians. [/QUOTE]
I don't know much about Native Americans, and I'll take your figures as you give them, although my understanding is that they're much higher than 60.
I grew up next to two Indian tribes, and had many Indian classmates. My experience of them is that they're not so great at abstract verbal reasoning, but they kick butt in spacial reasoning. I knew an Indian kid who could do Rubik's Cube in the blink of an eye the first time he saw it. It just made sense to him in a way it never will to me or most white folks. Also, the Indian kids could almost uniformly draw much better pictures than whites, and nearly all of the Indian boys I grew up with were absolutely ga-ga about their cars and motorcycles. They made superior mechanics.
[QUOTE]By the way the average IQ in India is approximately 85 points.[/QUOTE]
That's my understanding as well.
I'm sure that there are others better versed on these things than me (mwdallas) who could chime in here.
Walter
2004-02-25 16:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=anubis] So the facts are that humans were in Africa exclusively for at least 70% of human existence so any differences in mental capacities would be quite moot. You make the mistake of assuming a constant rate of change. In fact, evolution moves in brief periods of "jumps" followed by periods of relative stability. Hence, that 30% disimilar period is rather crucial. It is the 70% of commonality which isn't important for understanding differences.> Proof: the first civilizations were in tropical/subtropical Africa or its hinterlands: Egypt-Nubia and Mesopotamia. It is doubtful that those civilizations were developed by groups who migrated into the cold Eurasian plains then decided to migrate Southwards again after acquiring some high IQ mutant set of genes. [/QUOTE]Well, that shows that you don't know much about the ancient near east, ie, ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. In fact there has been a constant southward migration of peoples throughout history. The north does tend to produce better intelligence due to the necessity of planning. The harsher living conditions of the north discourage invasions or migrations from the south, and in turn periodic overpopulations in the north enourage northerners to try their luck with life in the comparatively easy living of the south. Also the ancient near east was much "whiter" than it is now.
Civilization actually tends to slow down evolution since it allows the less fit to procreate, whilst encouraging the more fit or more intelligent not to procreate (as we are currently experiencing today). Civilization also (in the ancient near east) allows for the importation of slaves from the less mentally endowed south, and ensures that periodic invasions from the North (Indo-Europeans in ancient times, Turks and Mongols in medieval times) are too small to drastically influence the much larger "civilized" population, or to change the civilization's ability to out-procreate and assimilate any newcomers.