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Thread ID: 10242 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2003-10-04
2003-10-04 19:27 | User Profile
:drool: :hitler:
If this should really happen all self-respecting White Catholics should leave the post-Vatican II abomination in droves.
African touted as Pope's successor By Richard Owen 02oct03
THE man tipped to be the first black pope has set out his credentials as the Vatican continues to prepare the public for the death of Pope John Paul II.
Following comments from top Vatican official Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger that the Pope was in "very bad" health, the Pope's private secretary Georg Gaenswein said yesterday the 83-year-old pontiff could not walk or stand. "He is a hero for the faithful," Mr Gaenswein said. "The fact he doesn't give up despite his illness makes him even more credible ... When he is no longer allowed to travel, then dear God will come for him."
Meanwhile, Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria has become the first possible successor to be publicly promoted.
In a book of interviews published this week called God's Invisible Hand, Cardinal Arinze presents himself as a man who has risen from humble origins in a Nigerian village to a senior position in the Vatican, and as a conservative capable of reaching other constituencies.
Cardinals do not publicly campaign for advancement, yet an Arinze bandwagon is beginning to roll. This week the Archbishop of Rio de Janeiro, Eusebio Oscar Scheid - one of 31 new cardinals appointed by the Pope last Sunday - said that although a Latin American pope was a possibility, he would vote for an African.
His views were echoed by Claudio Hummes, the Archbishop of Sao Paulo. Even Cardinal Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican's congregation on doctrine and will play a key role as Dean of the College of Cardinals that will appoint the next pontiff, said he could envisage a black pope.
Cardinal Arinze, 70, is Africa's only possible papal candidate. He uses God's Invisible Hand to describe his early life in a village near Onitsha, in British-ruled colonial Nigeria, his conversion to Christianity as a boy and his journey from Lagos to Rome to study for the priesthood.
He became Africa's youngest bishop, and records his ordeal as a "bishop on the run" during the Biafran War, his studies in London in the 1960s, and his surprise at being made a cardinal in 1985. After 18 years as head of the Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue in Rome, he was put in charge of liturgy and the sacraments last year, giving him vital experience of internal affairs.
He suggests Christianity can learn from other faiths, and calls for greater tolerance and free discussion within the Catholic church.
Speculation about the Pope's successor will increase this month when cardinals from all over the world converge on Rome for a "pre-conclave" marking the Pope's 25th anniversary in office.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7436416^401,00.html
2003-10-05 11:19 | User Profile
There are some catholic prophecies that [I]some folks[/I] think say that the last pope, before the rise of anti-Christ, will be a black man!
The prophecy was made by St. Malachy (an Irish saint) around 1100 A.D., where he had a vision of all the 100 or so popes in the sky...
So add that to your end-time timeline chart! :excl:
2003-10-05 11:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FightinWhitey#2]There are some catholic prophecies that [I]some folks[/I] think say that the last pope, before the rise of anti-Christ, will be a black man!
The prophecy was made by St. Malachy (an Irish saint) around 1100 A.D., where he had a vision of all the 100 or so popes in the sky...
So add that to your end-time timeline chart! :excl:[/QUOTE]
I believe those prophecies have been refuted and discounted by the Church several times in its history.
2003-10-05 13:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]I believe those prophecies have been refuted and discounted by the Church several times in its history.[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything in St. Malachy's prophecies about a "black" pope.
The next pope is probably the penultimate pope (this by general consensus of the sites on checked just now on the internet). This next pope is to be the "Glory of the Olives"
Opinions vary on this. Some say this means he will be a Benedictine, the symbol of that order being the Olive. Some say that it means he will bring peace - the olive branch symbolizing peace. Still others opine that he will be a Jew - the Olive being the symbol of the Tribe.
I see nothing about St. Malachy saying he'll be black. Where are you getting this?
I personally don't take it very seriously, although some of the stuff about the last two popes was interesting.
JPI - who was elected on a half moon and died one month later on the half moon - was prophesised as the Half Moon Pope.
JPII - who was born during a solar eclipse - was the Labor (as in giving birth) of the Sun.
Wintermute may find this interesting.
Only after the Glory of the Olives Pope will we have the final pope - Peter the Roman, who will be horribly persecuted.
Walter
2003-10-05 17:28 | User Profile
inadvertant post.
2003-10-06 18:43 | User Profile
If the next Pope is black I'm converting to the Lutheranism -- I'm not kidding.
I had a very nice girlfriend (one of the few I sincerely regret) who was an Irish Protestant (Scot-Irish: strawberry blonde and blue eyes and freckles -- the whole bit), and I mean very evangelical Protestant. It was one of the best relationships I had.
2003-10-06 22:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]If the next Pope is black I'm converting to the Lutheranism -- I'm not kidding. [/QUOTE]
Friederich, what religion do you adhere to exactly? One minute you're an athesit, next minute you're a Nordic neo-pagan, and just now you're saying you're Catholic but planning on converting to Lutheranism. Somehow this just doesn't make sense.
2003-10-06 23:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Friederich, what religion do you adhere to exactly? One minute you're an athesit, next minute you're a Nordic neo-pagan, and just now you're saying you're Catholic but planning on converting to Lutheranism. Somehow this just doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
Baptized Catholic.
(all of the above, really.)
2003-10-07 00:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Baptized Catholic.
(all of the above, really.)[/QUOTE]
How is that possible? How can you be an atheist and yet be a theist as well? How can you be a neo-pagan and a Catholic?
2003-10-07 00:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]How is that possible? How can you be an atheist and yet be a theist as well? How can you be a neo-pagan and a Catholic?[/QUOTE]
Perun,
The Lord works in mysterious ways...
2003-10-07 01:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Perun,
The Lord works in mysterious ways...[/QUOTE]
:huh: Friederich, you do realize that the wine for the eucharist is in fact Christ's blood. You're not supposed to get drunk off it. :lol:
2003-10-07 01:24 | User Profile
Ah, prophesy!
'... This next pope is to be the "Glory of the Olives" '
Therefore, the next Pope will be Popeye, for his girlfriend was Olive.
God said to Moses, " I am that I am."
Popeye said, " I am what I am, I'm Popeye the sailor man."
Can't wait.
Enkidu
( Born, Baptized, Confirmed, Communed Roman Catholic; taught Adult Catechism for a year.) --- Now a Pagan, and I don't have to worry about this stuff. It's fun, though.
2003-10-07 01:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Enkidu]Ah, prophesy!
'... This next pope is to be the "Glory of the Olives" '
Therefore, the next Pope will be Popeye, for his girlfriend was Olive.
God said to Moses, " I am that I am."
Popeye said, " I am what I am, I'm Popeye the sailor man."
Can't wait.
Enkidu
( Born, Baptized, Confirmed, Communed Roman Catholic; taught Adult Catechism for a year.) --- Now a Pagan, and I don't have to worry about this stuff. It's fun, though.[/QUOTE]
Man you've been getting drunk off Christ's blood at Mass as well haven't you? tsk tsk tsk :lol:
2003-10-07 01:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Man you've been getting drunk off Christ's blood at Mass as well haven't you? tsk tsk tsk :lol:[/QUOTE]
I think it's been five years, and I stopped receiving the Host under both species before that. I kept getting colds sharing the wine---sorry, the Blood. How soon they forget.
Enkidu
2003-10-07 02:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Enkidu]I think it's been five years, and I stopped receiving the Host under both species before that. I kept getting colds sharing the wine---sorry, the Blood. How soon they forget.
Enkidu[/QUOTE]
"Oh ye of little faith!"
2003-10-07 13:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Enkidu]I think it's been five years, and I stopped receiving the Host under both species before that. I kept getting colds sharing the wine---sorry, the Blood. How soon they forget.
Enkidu[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of something called a "joke"? And Atheists always like to say we theists don't have a sense of humor.
2003-10-07 17:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]How is that possible? How can you be an atheist and yet be a theist as well? How can you be a neo-pagan and a Catholic?[/QUOTE]
I am a lutheran, atheist and ásatrúar.
2003-10-07 17:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ritter]I am a lutheran, atheist and ásatrúar.[/QUOTE]
Yes and I'm a Catholic, Satanist, and a Hindu. It all works out in the end.
2003-10-07 20:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Yes and I'm a Catholic, Satanist, and a Hindu. It all works out in the end.[/QUOTE]
and theologically very confused :mellow:
(i hope you know that you will burn in hell-fire (ouch!!!) for ALL ETERNITY! :evil:
2003-10-07 22:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I see nothing about St. Malachy saying he'll be black. Where are you getting this?[/QUOTE]
Link: [URL=http://groups.google.com/groups?q=malachy+black+pope&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=76eqft%2423l%241%40news1.alltel.net&rnum=1]http://groups.google.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Pope Benedict XVI will be like Saint Benedict, who lived in the fifth and sixth centuries. He will be a man dedicated to Peace and holiness. But this Pope will also be like Saint Benedict the Black, il moro santo, who lived in the sixteenth century. I am not certain, but I think that Pope Benedict XVI will be black. [/QUOTE]
Link: [URL=http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article41.htm]Source[/URL]
2003-10-07 22:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Yes and I'm a Catholic, Satanist, and a Hindu. It all works out in the end.[/QUOTE]
You are very conflicted! :huh: Go kiss the negroid hand of your new pope. :clown:
2003-10-08 00:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Ever hear of something called a "joke"? And Atheists always like to say we theists don't have a sense of humor.[/QUOTE]
I think you need to read your own post, I was joking around, and it was obvious. Looks like in one post you proved conclusively that you don't have a sense of humor.
Too bad, humor is one of those things, like good taste in food or clothes --- if you make it to adulthood without it, you're not going to develop it. Sad.
And a question. Are there any atheists on this forum? I've seen no evidence of an atheist poster. I haven't read every post on OD, but I can't recall any post that came from an atheist. Hmmm.
Enkidu
2003-10-08 02:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ritter]You are very conflicted! :huh: Go kiss the negroid hand of your new pope. :clown:[/QUOTE]
Excuse me but you're the one who first wrote: I am a lutheran, atheist and ásatrúar.
So don't preach to me about being conflicted here mister. As for kissing the negroid "Pope", he he's not the pope. Read the article!
I think you need to read your own post, I was joking around, and it was obvious. Looks like in one post you proved conclusively that you don't have a sense of humor.
No, you made a remark about Popeye being the next pope. I knew it was a joke and replied in kind with another joke about you getting drunk off the eucharist. Then you replied with some smart-ass remark about catching a cold from the eucharist. So clearly it was you who didn't have the sense of humor here!
Too bad, humor is one of those things, like good taste in food or clothes --- if you make it to adulthood without it, you're not going to develop it. Sad.
You're the one who is sad when you can't take a fricking joke about the eucharist. No you have to reply like a jackass. I knew your first post was a joke, and I replied with a joke. Then you had to reply with a jackass remark. Then just now you're further acting like an online jackass making more smart-ass knee-jerk replies. There was no need for your smart-ass remarks here on OD.
And a question. Are there any atheists on this forum? I've seen no evidence of an atheist poster. I haven't read every post on OD, but I can't recall any post that came from an atheist. Hmmm.
Well I don't know how long you have been here, but there are many atheists here. Theists certainly outnumber the atheists, but there are atheists here. You even admitted you have not read every post on OD, and sadly most of OD's past posts were deleted when we switched to the new server. So obivously you're making a conclusion based on incomplete information, which is not a smart thing to do.
2003-10-08 02:55 | User Profile
Sorry if I caused you to tinkle in your panties, perun1201.
Enkidu
2003-10-08 02:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Enkidu]Sorry if I caused you to tinkle in your panties, perun1201.
Enkidu[/QUOTE]
Oh Real mature! Can you say anything besides kindengarden style crap?
2003-10-08 03:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Oh Real mature! Can you say anything besides kindengarden style crap?[/QUOTE]
I apologize, perhaps my phrase was clumsy, but I truly meant it as an apology.
When I wrote, "Sorry, I made you tinkle in your panties," I was honestly sorry that I made you tinkle in your panties.
I am overcome with contrition, and am merely letting you know that I am humbly asking your forgiveness for having made you tinkle in your panties.
Enkidu
What are these little clicky things. I never tried one. Let's see if this does something. :crybaby: Hey, it worked --- my first little head thing. That's me crying hugh tears of contrition for having made perun1201 do the panty tinkling thing.
2003-10-08 03:48 | User Profile
I accept your apology and I'm sorry for over-reacting to your original apology.
2003-10-08 04:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Enkidu]I apologize, perhaps my phrase was clumsy, but I truly meant it as an apology.
When I wrote, "Sorry, I made you tinkle in your panties," I was honestly sorry that I made you tinkle in your panties.
I am overcome with contrition, and am merely letting you know that I am humbly asking your forgiveness for having made you tinkle in your panties.
Enkidu
What are these little clicky things. I never tried one. Let's see if this does something. :crybaby: Hey, it worked --- my first little head thing. That's me crying hugh tears of contrition for having made perun1201 do the panty tinkling thing.[/QUOTE]
Enkidu,
Perun takes his religion very, very seriously. (As I'm sure you've noticed.)
Perun,
Relax Perun -- take a deep breath...and again...and again...and again. There's no need to go ballistic every time religion is mentioned. We don't have to all walk in lock-step when it comes to metaphysical questions, as if OD was a Medieval Christian theocracy. :)
Enkidu,
As to your question if there are atheists on OD, yes, there are such strange beings here whom God has obviously abandoned -- temporarily? That great scoffer and skeptic Oscar Wilde converted to Catholicism on his deathbed and accepted Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour (he's in Heaven now!), so there's hope for everyone (however, the atheists on OD are greatly outnumbered by the pious and god-fearing). You might want to check out this thread, just so you know that I'm not telling fibs: [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=9836[/url]
2003-10-08 04:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Enkidu,
Perun takes his religion very, very seriously. (As I'm sure you noticed.)
Perun,
Relax Perun -- take a deep breath...and again...and again...and again. There's no need to go ballistic every time religion is mentioned. We don't have to all walk in lock-step when it comes to metaphysical questions, as if OD was a Medieval Christian theocracy. :) [/QUOTE]
Oh I take my religion way too seriously now do I? What about the joke about getting drunk off the eucharist? That ain't exactly a light-hearted thing to joke about in Christianity. Then there was my comment about me being a Hindu, Satanist, and a Catholic as a way to poke fun at you and Ritter's triology of religious identities. And in both cases I recieved real knee-jerk smart ass replies from Ritter and Enkidu. Now Enkidu apologize, to which I accepted.
I doubt Ritter will do so too, since he seems to have an obsession trying to knee-jerk me whenever and wherever he can on this fourm.
Believe me Friederich, you don't know the length my sense of humor can go when it comes to religion. You'd be very suprised.
Now Friederich I don't know if you ever read any of my posts were I said that I fully welcomed atheists and pagans in our movement. They just need to realize that Christianity is the major religion among whites. Just like how early Christians had to accept the fact that paganism was the major religion in Rome.
So I really have nothing against atheists or pagans, Im just sick and tired of all these knee-jerk attacks against Christianity which often have little basis in fact.
2003-10-08 04:57 | User Profile
You haven't followed my breathing exercises, obviously. Shhhh...now.
[QUOTE=perun1201]Oh I take my religion way too seriously now do I? What about the joke about getting drunk off the eucharist? That ain't exactly a light-hearted thing to joke about in Christianity. Then there was my comment about me being a Hindu, Satanist, and a Catholic as a way to poke fun at you and Ritter's triology of religious identities. And in both cases I recieved real knee-jerk smart ass replies from Ritter and Enkidu. Now Enkidu apologize, to which I accepted.
I doubt Ritter will do so too, since he seems to have an obsession trying to knee-jerk me whenever and wherever he can on this fourm.
Believe me Friederich, you don't know the length my sense of humor can go when it comes to religion. You'd be very suprised.
Now Friederich I don't know if you ever read any of my posts were I said that I fully welcomed atheists and pagans in our movement. They just need to realize that Christianity is the major religion among whites. Just like how early Christians had to accept the fact that paganism was the major religion in Rome.
So I really have nothing against atheists or pagans, Im just sick and tired of all these knee-jerk attacks against Christianity which often have little basis in fact.[/QUOTE]
2003-10-08 18:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE]As to the coming pope, my money is still on Lustinger. This would bring the "glory of the olives" prophecy into play, though I myself don't see any especial connection between olives and the Tribe. [/QUOTE]
I think that the allusion is to Romans 11, wherein St. Paul compares the nation of Israel to the lopped-off branches of an olive tree, and the Romans to grafts onto the root.
[B]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the [B]olive[/B] tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they [B]were broken off[/B], and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if [B]God spared not the natural branches[/B], take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the [B]goodness and severity of God[/B]: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the [B]olive[/B] tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a [B]good olive tree[/B]: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into [B]their own olive tree?[/B][/B]
Walter
2003-10-08 20:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Excuse me but you're the one who first wrote: I am a lutheran, atheist and ásatrúar.
I am. They aren't mutually exclusive. I was born into Lutheranism. I don't believe in a creator, hince I am an atheist. Yet I am true to the old ways of my people, hince I am of ásatrú, or an ásatrúar.
Now I somehow doubt you have a connection to Satanism, and Hinduism. Unless you are infact Rban's brother and are the spawn of Lucifer.*
*= Since you can't recognise a joke I will point one out to you.
[quote=perun1201]So don't preach to me about being conflicted here mister. As for kissing the negroid "Pope", he he's not the pope. Read the article![/QUOTE]
It was said in jest. Take a joke, mate. :smoke:
2003-10-08 20:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ritter] Now I somehow doubt you have a connection to Satanism, and Hinduism. Unless you are infact Rban's brother and are the spawn of Lucifer.*
*= Since you can't recognise a joke I will point one out to you.
Do you have to rub salt into every wound? Geesh. All you have to do is put a :lol: or something to indicate a joke. No need for rude remarks.
And I can take a joke. In fact I often joke on this forum, and in fact I joked on this thread(getting drunk off the eucharist?). But you had to spit in my face. :starwars:
2003-10-09 03:45 | User Profile
As I said in reply to another thread in this forum, what is wrong with a black man becoming Pope? In the war against secularism and the destruction of traditional values, I will take any allies I can get. I will never leave Rome, it is the seat of Peter's Successor. St. Augustine was an African, as were several Bishops very important to early Christianity. Are they to be discounted too? I don't care what a man's skin color is, so long as he is of sound moral character and competent intelligence. To restate from another post of mine, I know just as much white trash as brown or black. Trash is any uneducated, drooling fool who thinks that by virtue of something he was born with, has a distinct advantage over others. Be that as it may. And if you are going to speak concerning our Church and the prophecies of our saints, at least get it right. Concerning the prophecy of which you speak, Arinze would be the Pope prior to the black Pope, and I strongly doubt that the adjective black has anything to do with skin color. Ever heard of METAPHORS? Maybe black might mean evil? I know white sure as hell doesn't mean good, unless you think Hitler or Manson are great guys, in which case you need to check into the nearest sanitarium. Any one who leaves the Church over Arinze is being very foolish. Arinze would do more to promote the restoration and continuance of Christianity than all but a handful of white men, and I would bet all I own that he is leaps and bounds ahead in the intelligence area than the ignoramus who started this column. He probably isn't even Catholic. Traditional, orthodox Catholics love this man. Liberals fear and despise him. Arinze is the man behind the soon-to-be announced restoration of the Tridantine right of the mass. To quote the slang term, " 'Nuff said".
"In hoc signo vinces",
johnthepaleocon