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Thread ID: 10158 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2003-10-01
2003-10-01 07:06 | User Profile
This has to be among the stupidest things I've ever heard from a candidate.
[B] [url]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34860[/url]
Gen. Clark's goal: Time travel Candidate calls exceeding light speed 'my only faith-based initiative'
Proclaiming his "faith" in science, retired Gen. Wesley Clark has revealed his desire for humans to achieve time travel.
The newest candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination told the faithful in New Hampshire over the weekend he wants to work for the day when people will be able to travel faster than the speed of light, Wired News reports.
"We need a vision of how we're going to move humanity ahead, and then we need to harness science to do it," Clark told a group of about 50 people in Newcastle, N.H., according to the newssite.
Continued Clark: "I still believe in e=mcò, but I can't believe that in all of human history, we'll never ever be able to go beyond the speed of light to reach where we want to go. I happen to believe that mankind can do it "
Clark claims he has argued with physicists about the probability of time travel, but that despite opposition, he just has to "believe it," adding, "It's my only faith-based initiative," Wired reports.
Gary Melnick, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told the newssite Clark's faith in the possibility of faster-than-light, or FTL, travel was "probably based more on his imagination than on physics."
Evidence suggests FTL travel is impossible, Melnick said.
"Even if Clark becomes president, I doubt it would be within his powers to repeal the powers of physics," Melnick told Wired.
Clark made the futuristic comments at the end of a question-and-answer session in which he addressed issues of space exploration and NASA.
"Some goals may take a lifetime to reach," he said, according to the report. "We need to set those goals now. We need to re-dedicate ourselves to science, engineering and technology in this country."[/B]
Whats interesting is that scientists, atheists, and secularists all like to bitch about religious people believing in ridiculas garbage, yet many scientists, futurists and other blind worshipers of science believe in equally ridiculas :dung:. Just read Wired magazine to see what I'm talking about.
2003-10-01 13:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]This has to be among the stupidest things I've ever heard from a candidate.
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Whats interesting is that scientists, atheists, and secularists all like to bitch about religious people believing in ridiculas garbage, yet many scientists, futurists and other blind worshipers of science believe in equally ridiculas :dung:. Just read Wired magazine to see what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
Speaking as an Astrophysics major: he is correct, and it is not a pile of excrement in the least. Infact we have already used time travels on particles. We can do it, it is just the question of: "Can the human body survive?" Which if you believe Einstein, the answer would be no. Though contrary to many may believe, I do not accept much of what Einstein says as the limit or "holy scripture", so to say. Where there is a will, there is a way.
2003-10-01 18:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ritter]Speaking as an Astrophysics major: he is correct, and it is not a pile of excrement in the least. Infact we have already used time travels on particles. We can do it, it is just the question of: "Can the human body survive?" Which if you believe Einstein, the answer would be no. Though contrary to many may believe, I do not accept much of what Einstein says as the limit or "holy scripture", so to say. Where there is a will, there is a way.[/QUOTE]
So in other words you wish to design time travel just so you can stick it to Albert Einstein? :huh:
2003-10-01 18:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]So in other words you wish to design time travel just so you can stick it to Albert Einstein? :huh:[/QUOTE]
Not really.
Einstein said that time travel was possible, indeed he proved it. Though he also said that a person could survive (near) lightspeed. I disagree with him on that. I think there can be a way to get a man to lightspeed, thus traveling through time(space) - time travel. Too many people think Einstein was king and what he said is law. I don't believe that, and I think the physicists that do are limiting themselves to his shadow.
As I said before, we sent tiny particles into the future (present) before. The measure of time is realitive to the speed one is traveling. When one is traveling at lightspeed or near lightspeed, time is passing slower relative to one standing still (relatively still). This is all explained easily. The hard this is inventing a way to launch a person to near lightspeed, and harder still is getting that person to reach his destination alive.
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2003-10-01 18:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ritter]Not really. Though he also said that a person could survive (near) lightspeed.[/QUOTE]
Dang, ofcourse I meant to type "Couldn't" - I can't edit my post.
2003-10-01 18:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ritter]Dang, ofcourse I meant to type "Couldn't" - I can't edit my post.[/QUOTE]
Yes you can, just click the edit button on the bottom right of your post.
Also, what would be the point to time travel?
2003-10-01 19:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Yes you can, just click the edit button on the bottom right of your post.
Also, what would be the point to time travel?[/QUOTE]
No, I can't. It doesn't allow me for some reason, I've tried.
The point of time travel: It works out perfect for traveling to other star systems. That means going to a star 4.2 lya, wouldn't take 4.2 years, rather something alot less.
2003-10-09 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Conservative]I heard that when sub-atomic particles were greatly accelerated in a particle accelerator, the radioactive decay rate slowed down.
Anyway, I would love to travel back in time to when dinasours became extinct, to when monkeys evolved into humans, to when Moses/Abraham/Jesus/etc. supposedly performed supernatural feits, etc. [/QUOTE]
They first point it true. The secound is impossible. Time is linear and flows always in one direction. One cannot travel to what has already happened.
2003-10-09 18:49 | User Profile
When one is traveling at lightspeed or near lightspeed, time is passing slower relative to one standing still (relatively still).
Which explains why photons can sleep late and still be at work on time...
2003-10-09 19:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Conservative]I heard that when sub-atomic particles were greatly accelerated in a particle accelerator, the radioactive decay rate slowed down.
Anyway, I would love to travel back in time to when dinasours became extinct, to when monkeys evolved into humans, to when Moses/Abraham/Jesus/etc. supposedly performed supernatural feits, etc.
I would also like to go into the future trillions of years to see what things are like, and even stay there.
Some say that UFOs are people from Earth in the future going back in time to observe us today. Who knows.
Conservative[/QUOTE]
Hello Ares, nice to see you again!
2003-10-09 19:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Conservative]I heard that when sub-atomic particles were greatly accelerated in a particle accelerator, the radioactive decay rate slowed down.
Anyway, I would love to travel back in time to when dinasours became extinct, to when monkeys evolved into humans, to when Moses/Abraham/Jesus/etc. supposedly performed supernatural feits, etc.
I would also like to go into the future trillions of years to see what things are like, and even stay there.
Some say that UFOs are people from Earth in the future going back in time to observe us today. Who knows.
Conservative[/QUOTE]
Hello Ares, nice to see you again! :cheers:
2003-10-09 21:28 | User Profile
Jews' wet dream: go back in time and finish the genocides left unfinished. Yeah, and kill Hitler too.
2003-10-11 09:09 | User Profile
If Time Travell was at all possible dont you think the people in the future would have already accomplished it and visited us with thier "Time Travell Vehicle" showing us they come from the Future. I am possitive it is impossible for Time Travell not even in 5000 years, which the earth wont last for.
Thanks!
2003-10-11 09:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=illman]If Time Travell was at all possible dont you think the people in the future would have already accomplished it and visited us with thier "Time Travell Vehicle" showing us they come from the Future. Thanks![/QUOTE]
Actually, people speculate that UFOs are actually time machines from the future. Who knows. And abductions are when they examine us for historical study?
Or perhaps, the future never comes to be: we destroy ourselves via dysgenics, war, or whatever, and thus no more scientists exist in the future to create time machines.
I don't know much about physics though, but if time machines are indeed possible, I want my own personal time machine in my garage so that I can visit any century I desire at any time.
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2003-10-11 12:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=illman]If Time Travell was at all possible dont you think the people in the future would have already accomplished it and visited us with thier "Time Travell Vehicle" showing us they come from the Future. I am possitive it is impossible for Time Travell not even in 5000 years, which the earth wont last for.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Travel into the past is hollywood. It is mathematically and accually impossible. In my post above, that is the only way to "time travel", i.e., traveling through space-time (outerspace) so fast (near or at lightspeed) that time is measured differently (slower) relative to someone standing still. This is the only time travel we know cause we have proved and did it. Time is linear, you cant just get in a time machine and push a button to December 5, 1955 and drive their in an ugly flying car.
2003-10-12 06:13 | User Profile
Here is the Time Travel Usenet group: [url]http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sci.time-travel[/url]
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2003-10-12 06:54 | User Profile
[url=http://www.johntitor.com/]Read Me[/url]
2003-10-12 07:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Edana][url=http://www.johntitor.com/]Read Me[/url][/QUOTE]
I think John Titor is a fraud. Someone from the future should have been a lot more impressive in my opinion. Plus I find it hard to believe that a time machine would have been invented as early as 2036. Perhaps if it was 4,000 A.D.
Conservative
2003-10-12 14:00 | User Profile
Instead of just "feeling" one way or another, I would just like to see someone come out and scientifically refute everything he's said.
2003-10-12 20:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Edana]Instead of just "feeling" one way or another, I would just like to see someone come out and scientifically refute everything he's said.[/QUOTE]
Has HE scientifically proven that what he said is correct? Did he bring any artifacts from the future life techno-gagits that don't exist today to prove he is from the future? Has he made any specific predictions besides very vague suggestions, such as naming every Presidents that will be elected in the next 20 years, or naming exact nobel prize winners, or anything specific that could not have been guessed at by chance? I didn't see any of these on the site. Surely if one comes from the future and wants us to believe he is from there, he would bring some techno-gagits to prove it to us.
So, I think believing in him would be like believing in a deity: blind faith.
Conservative
2003-10-13 00:38 | User Profile
Surely if one comes from the future and wants us to believe he is from there, he would bring some techno-gagits to prove it to us.
Your post falls apart when when realizes that he repeatedly said he did not care if anyone believes and didn't expect anyone to. However, he gave plenty of material to work with for anyone who wants to scientifically refute him and a lot of interesting ideas for the mere curious, interesting whether he is a hoax or not.
2003-10-13 01:17 | User Profile
re:"Gen. Clark's goal: Time travel Candidate calls exceeding light speed 'my only faith-based initiative'"
If one is interested in the topic, the Navy apparently has the tools and has dabbled in time travel. That a ex-Army General would not know of this is more proof of an apocryphal comment made during the 2nd World War by an Admiral to an officer who said ( incorrectly in the Admiral's mind ) something about "the enemy." The Admiral said: "The Germans, Italians and Japanese are our opponents during this war and we will destroy them but remember always it is the Army that is the enemy."
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and,
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2003-10-13 01:57 | User Profile
John Titor isn't alone. The USS Eldridge was supposed to blow a few fuses on its sixtieth anniversary of dazzling the Philadelphia navy yard. Sure enough, the Eastern grid blackout came nearly on schedule.
Everytime you read a Shakespeare sonnet you travel backward in time. So the only problem with time travel is that it's habit forming.
2003-10-13 03:28 | User Profile
John Titor is a fraud, see [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=91242[/url]
Conservative
2003-10-13 04:12 | User Profile
I must be blind, because I missed the scientific refutations of information posted in that link.
2003-10-13 06:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Edana]I must be blind, because I missed the scientific refutations of information posted in that link.[/QUOTE]
The link says, why is his VCR-sized time machine installed into a 67 Camaro? Why didn't he pick, let's say, a 2000 Toyota Camery?
Conservative
2003-10-13 15:22 | User Profile
Why would he? What does his car have to do with anything? Have you read his posts, in which he talks about his car? I thought you were supposed to be a "rational" type person, but instead of finding or producing scientific refutations (which is what I'm interested in finding), you dwell on irrelevent externalities... which is rather knee-jerk of yourself.
2003-10-13 22:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Have you read his posts, in which he talks about his car?[/QUOTE]
No. Can you post some of his writings in which supposedly there is evidence proving that he is from the future? Please post the strongest evidence from his posts, please post them to this thread, if you have time. Thanks.
Conservative
2003-10-13 22:49 | User Profile
I'm not going to use up bandwidth by posting everything else he's posted (there are pages of scientific discussion). Such an intelligent, rational, and knowledge-seeking individual such as yourself surely has the capacity to click on a link, read information contained within, and come to his own conclusions and find/produce scientific refutations if the conclusion is negative. Saying "the machine is in an old car" is not a refutation, considering that "the machine" is portable and could have been placed in a cardboard box or a golf cart if he cared to put it there.
2003-10-13 23:28 | User Profile
John Tutor says:
[QUOTE]"As a time traveler it would be easy for me to take a short hike up that hill where the RADAR operators were and point out to them that indeed the equipment was working just fine and they should probably call it in. Assuming they believed me, it is arguable that my lone single action could start a chain of events that would allow the US to meet the Japanese planes and stop them from attacking the battleships. As a result, the US people would still be angry but not motivated to enter the war fully since the Japanese were not a perceived threat. Thus, you don't begin research on the atomic bomb until well after Hitler has already dropped a couple on London.[/QUOTE]
So even though Tutor has a time machine and lives in 2036, he still does not know that World War 2 was started by Jews, not Germany or Japan? Maybe because he is a fraud? Tutor is pro-Jewish, which means Jews still have control of Earth 2036, so why would these Jews give Tutor the legal right to get a time machine and go back in the furure? Jews would never allow such powers to Gentiles.
He says:
[QUOTE]What God judges about my decision is the only authority. Again, all the things you claim I can do you are capable of also.[/QUOTE]
So Tutor has a working time machine, yet he believes in a deity? The existance of a time machine contradicts theology. Maybe Tutor is a fraud?
And why does Tutor even care about going back to 2,000 and telling them he is a time traveler? What does he gain from such wasteful actions? After all, according to him, only a measly 36 years later, everyone will know about the reality of Time Traveling anyway. Why does he not instead go 100 Trillion years into the future? Surely that would be a lot more interesting than the year 2,000.
Tutor says:
[QUOTE]The big one? As you are experiencing now, there are earthquakes, storms and other unfortunate surprises from Mother Nature that have impacts on your society and future history. That is one reason I won't go into detail. However, don't worry too much about major portions of coastline slipping under water.[/QUOTE]
In other words, he DOES NOT KNOW when Earthquakes will happen, because he is a fraud. So many excuses he comes up for not letting us know about natural disasters that will happen between 2000 and 2036. His answers to everything resemble Jewish Hollywood scripts.
[QUOTE]Cloning full people has been determined to be medically and ethically unsound. We do have research and progress in cloning body parts and creating more viable sperm and egg production. [/QUOTE]
So a future society that is okey with allowing time travel is not okey with cloning people? What an antagonistic view, very Jewish.
[QUOTE]What about earthquakes in California or Nevada?
No I can't. Besides, I see others predicting earthquakes and very few people pay any attention to them.[/QUOTE]
More excuses by Titor to cover up the fact that he does NOT know the answer because he is a fraud.
I read all of his posts from March 2001, it's filled with EXCUSES for not being able prove that he is from the future, excuses for not giving us any specific predictions, and filled with general science comments that is aleady known to people of 2,000. He is a fraud.
Conservative
2003-10-14 01:21 | User Profile
I see a lot of emotionalism, claims of fraud based on pure assumptions about what the future should be, ignorance about the site (even shallow digging yields the knowledge that he claims to have been on a military mission to retrieve something and is posting in the internet as entertainment until he returns and is not interested in convincing anyone) and shouts of "Jew!" in your post.. yet very little science. I'm disappointed. I thought you were one of those intelligent, rational types like you claim to be.
And, by the way, he did give specific predictions on things that matter - scientific breakthroughs concerning time travel... which came true.
2003-10-14 02:17 | User Profile
Titor was pretty adept at dodging questions that could determine if he was a fraud...such as refusing to answer anything related to presidential elections, Super Bowls, natural disasters etc (so people wouldn't 'profit' off of it...)
Why would someone on a mission from the future invest so much time posting on Internet message boards & IRC? That's another question I don't think he ever answered...WHY POST?
Titor's story also bears a VERY STRONG resemblance to the post-apocalyptic novel [U]Alas, Babylon[/U] (which I recently had to read for English class...it's decent), from the Florida boyhood to the capital of the US being moved to Omaha, Neb (and the main character also had Titor's strong libertarian leanings).
I find it VERY HARD to believe that science has sufficiently advanced for two mini-black holes to be harnessed & used for time travel (all in a device small enough to fit in the front seat of a Camaro!), yet we haven't found a cure for cancer? or AIDS? And that a programming language from the 1970s (!!!!) is still useful?
Titor was entertaining...but really...
2003-10-14 03:56 | User Profile
Why would someone on a mission from the future invest so much time...
If what he said were true, it wouldn't be a big investment of time at all. He could just pop back at his time a few seconds later than he left no matter how much time he spends in "the past".
That's another question I don't think he ever answered...WHY POST?
Why does anyone post? Personal amusement and curiousity.
I find it VERY HARD to believe that science has sufficiently advanced for two mini-black holes to be harnessed & used for time travel (all in a device small enough to fit in the front seat of a Camaro!), yet we haven't found a cure for cancer?
Why would this be hard to believe? You act like it's all in the same field of science.
The stuff that matters - the actual scientific and physics stuff brought up - hasn't been addressed at all. I'm quite interested in finding some big scientific refutation site somewhere, but haven't found one yet.
2003-10-14 04:02 | User Profile
If Titor was from the future and had a working time machine, do you not think the American CIA would see him as a security risk and come arrest him? But, I am sure the CIA also recognized that he was a fraud, thus no security risk.
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