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2003-10-01 03:20 | User Profile
[B]In Defense of Racism [/B]
Part 6 - The Future by Edgar J. Steele
September 30, 2003
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" --- Chicken Little
"It is not the brains that matter most, but that which guides them: the character, the heart, generous qualities, progressive ideas." --- Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1821 - 1881, Russian novelist
Chicken Little was right. In fact, Chicken Little was a piker.
The primary advantage of getting older is the perspective one gains. Partly due to experience - gotten the old-fashioned way, with pain. Partly due to hormonal changes. Both tend to moderate one's outlook on things.
I got an early taste of it several years ago, when I was first treated for prostate cancer (now in remission for many years, thank you, and almost certainly a total cure). I don't remember the drug, just that it was terribly expensive, administered by shot into my abdomen and good for six months. It killed testosterone production (testosterone, you see, is the fuel that drives prostate cancer at first).
Part of a chemo treatment program, later to be joined to radiation, the drug totally changed my outlook. For the first time in my life, I could see any pretty girl and have no desire for her. Intellectually, I could appreciate her beauty and I could interact with her with none of my body language or subterranean communication, about which we know so little, communicating sexual tension. Women related to me differently - more comfortably. For the first time, I understood why so many women valued their homosexual male friends. I learned to distinguish the sexual from the other aspects in relationships which always end up so confusingly, and often so terminally, intertwined.
Like Billy Crystal says to Meg Ryan in "When Harry Met Sally," in explaining why men and women can never be just friends: "You pretty much want to jump them, too." Well, men can be friends with women; we just need a little perspective, which means a period without being at effect of our hormones. Otherwise, Harry is absolutely correct.
With advancing age comes a significant decline in testosterone production. Thus a modest version (lust light?) of the perspective I gained is imparted to all men in their late fifties and beyond. Even they, however, still are at effect - they still "pretty much want to jump them, too." Otherwise, there would be no old fools, of which there is always a bumper crop. Guys who deny this are lying, ladies. And not a single one of them has a clue about that which I have been describing, unless they have been freed somehow, either temporarily or permanently, from the grip of their hormones. They haven't the perspective from which to appreciate or understand. They hear the words, but they simply don't grok them.
By analogy, if you are a parent, try to explain the value of having children to someone who hasn't had them. The closest I have managed to come is, "For the first time, you learn that it is possible to love someone else more than you love yourself."
I honestly believe that the injection I received should be mandatory for all men at about age 25. One time only, of course. It would last only six months, yet it would yield a perspective on relationships that most men never attain.
I also recall working with equipment leases at my first accounting job which had been written in the early 50's using interest rates of 2% and 3%, about the same as they are today. They were the "old stuff" to be worked through because nobody would give them up in the face of the prime rate then going through the roof, hitting the mid-teens before it finally cooled off. I remember hearing my boss then, who should have known better, remark that, never again, would we see interest rates that low, because the business world had changed. I'm sure he is dead now, so he was right, in a sense. Of course, he is literally dead wrong, too.
Today, I hear younger people, who never saw the prime rate hit 17% thirty years ago, talking as though interest rates always will be low. Certainly, government is acting that way. I know better. Interest rates go up, and they go down. It takes a long time to see the entire cycle at work. You can bank on the fact that interest rates will increase again - probably quite soon. And, they likely will go through the roof again. This time, however, things are very different from what they were back in the 60's and 70's. In fact, things are far worse than they were prior to the 1930's.
Today, astronomical levels of debt are carried by government, business and individuals. Already, even in this low-interest-rate climate, we see record levels of bankruptcy, both personal and corporate. Even state and local governments are starting to go bust. That debt will crush the American economy when rates rise. Why, even a one- or two-percent increase in interest rates would send us into the serious economic depression that we have been merely deferring. Imagine what adding 15 points to the rates will do!
Rising interest rates will be the death of a great many Americans. Literally. When they rise, the sky will fall. The grand American experiment will shudder to a halt. Other nations know this. That is why they are doing all they can to prop up the dollar. When it goes, so does the whole house of cards, because America still is the engine of the world economy, albeit now as the consumer of last resort, not the producer, as in the past. That is why corporate insiders are selling stock at a record pace. That is why many foreigners are bidding up the price of gold. That is why so many, like myself, have fled the cities for the relative safety of the countryside.
It will happen. It will happen soon. The perspective I have gained from a lifetime of observing the economy, business and government absolutely guarantees it. Those who think otherwise and do not prepare are young fools. No fool like an old fool - hormonally. No fool like a young fool - economically.
When it happens, government will be unable to meet its obligations. The American underclass brought up to rely upon the welfare and social infrastructure built up since the last Depression will take to the streets. The racial warfare that exists already in the streets of American cities, the news of which actively is suppressed, will explode. Next time, Beverly Hills will be sacked, along with every tony suburb of every city in America, because every city possesses the raw materials: a sullen and angry horde of blacks and mexicans, many of them illegals, all of them conditioned to feel entitled. All of them conditioned to believe that Whitey is the problem due to pervasive and pernicious racial discrimination.
When rates go up, the dollar will evaporate into hyperinflation. Wheelbarrows full of Reich dollars will be required to buy bread. Overnight, millions of Americans will join the record numbers of those now living in poverty in America. Though home mortgages will seem cheap in the face of inflation, we will not have even the small purchasing power then required to retire them. The banks will take our homes from us in droves, 1930's style.
Already angry with government at all levels due to its intrusion into our personal lives, most Americans will sit by and refuse to help. Some will see it as a time to exact retribution. That is when the "lone wolves" that the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL so fear will go into action. They know this. That is why they and their counterparts in government (can you say "Patriot Act?") are striving mightily to crack down on all of America, especially the political dissidents, record numbers of whom now grace the cells of federal prisons. That is why so many federal employees, even National Park workers, have been armed. That is why local police departments have been turned into military outposts.
Southwest America will become a no-go zone for all but the mestizos that already have renamed it Aztlan. A flood of have-nots from the cities will be met with hostility at the borders by well-armed country folk.
In the coming hard times, your skin color will be your uniform. Regardless of how touchy-feely politically correct you might wish to continue to be, blacks and mexicans will not be impressed. There will be a great many bleeding hearts literally bleeding in the streets.
Blacks will take over entire cities and concentrate in the South, where their greatest numbers already dwell, for their mutual protection.
The military response that government will feel compelled to employ merely will escalate things to full and open warfare throughout the country.
America will become a living hell for most. The sky will fall, in other words.
We have seen this scenario during our lifetimes played out overseas, albeit on a smaller scale. Foreigners possess little of the naiveté that is so rampant throughout America. The know what is coming. Bush has seen to it that they feel we deserve it, too, so they will not lift a finger to help when it happens.
It will be akin to the homily that recession occurs when your neighbor loses his job and depression results when you lose yours. When the sort of war that America has grown accustomed to inflicting upon small, defenseless countries finally comes home to America, then Americans will understand the pain, degradation and hopelessness that real war can inflict. Just ask the Iraqis, Afghanis or Palestinians what life is like for them. That is what can and will happen here. There will be American suicide bombers.
Interest rates. That's the key. A lifetime of perspective tells me they will rise - substantially.
It may start with a concerted program of terrorist attacks by outsiders. If so, that merely will serve to tip the first domino over. Eventually, the domino labeled "interest rates" will fall and, from there, things will spiral totally out of control. There needn't even be a trigger event, as the dominoes already are rolling over, as if in slow motion, and there is no setting them aright again.
You can bet the central and international bankers know all this. Indeed, they are accused by many of pushing the world into economic chaos in the 1930's. They went from being fabulously wealthy to being scandalously wealthy as the Great Depression (soon to be renamed The First Depression) segued into world war, giving them a fresh profit opportunity. Now they are outrageously wealthy and seemingly bent upon making this the last lap around the Monopoly board, since they already own almost everything. It's that "almost" that sticks in their craw. So long as there is the least little bit of truly free enterprise, private property and economic independence out here, their personal safety cannot be guaranteed.
Why? Because they can. Because it's there. Because they are terrified that we might figure out this shell game and come for them where they live. Well, they are right. Enough of us have figured it out. And we know where they live.
As we all seem to do, they have created the very reality they most fear. They forgot that pigs get fat, but hogs get slaughtered. This time, they have gone too far. Their lackeys, the Bushes, the Rumsfelds, the Ashcrofts, et al., will offer little diversion when it comes time to root them out. Modern Nuremberg trials of visible leaders will not suffice this time.
There's another cycle, a view of which perspective born of age affords, something that I like to call the Cycle of Strife. Tyranny breeds freedom and freedom fosters tyranny, regardless of the type of economic or political systems employed. I happen to recall what America was like once, back in the early 50's. Younger citizens lack that perspective. But, things are quickening now, so that the relative freedom of the 80's will seem far distant, too. Trust me, there is a much bigger gulf between the 50's and the 80's than grew during the last 25 years. Nevertheless, Bush and company seem intent upon setting a new land speed record for American tyranny, so that even children have begun to notice the difference.
Patriots like to ask, "Is it time yet?"
Almost, my friend. Almost. I can all but smell the cordite in the air. Remember that the first American patriots shot back; they didn't shoot first.
Bide your time a while longer. When the time is right, our leaders will emerge from our ranks and we will begin to pick up the pieces. America worked once as a constitutional republic. It can work again.
Yes, Chicken Little was right. But, so was Dostoyevsky: "It is not the brains that matter most, but that which guides them: the character, the heart, generous qualities, progressive ideas."
We can do it. We will prevail. We did it once before. What more proof do you need, in order to know that it is in our genetic predisposition? Because of that, we can do nothing else. Breeding shows.
Character, above all else, counts. That is the true legacy of our forefathers, a legacy which cannot be legislated away by Congress, judicially usurped by the courts or summarily seized by the Executive Branch. All that other stuff that has us so incensed at the moment is just words, just stuff, just things.
We and our children and the strength that lies within us, stretching in an unbroken line from our distant European ancestors - that is what truly counts and what, in the end, will make the difference.
Be proud of who and what you are - it really is all you have. And it is more than enough.
New America. An idea whose time has come.
2003-10-01 12:15 | User Profile
This man writes wisely and beautifully with a warm human touch.
2003-10-01 17:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE]We can do it. We will prevail. We did it once before. [/QUOTE]
Not in recent memory, we haven't. This article - though well meant - is so silly for so many reasons it doesn't bear itemization.
However, you'll have to go some distance to top that opening hook that waxes lyrically dreaming of a day when all free white Americans can look forward to taking a testosterone-killing shot to the balls......
2003-10-01 19:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Not in recent memory, we haven't. This article - though well meant - is so silly for so many reasons it doesn't bear itemization.[/QUOTE]
Il Ragno, I'd be interested in your itemized deductions on Steele's prophesy. I only ask because I find Steele's predictions worthy of consideration. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing?
2003-10-01 19:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] However, you'll have to go some distance to top that opening hook that waxes lyrically dreaming of a day when all free white Americans can look forward to taking a testosterone-killing shot to the balls......[/QUOTE]
Yes, he starts out on an unrelated topic (his being neutered) to personalize his writing a little, then comes around to the gist of what he really wants to say, which is: hang in there.
The man has style.
2003-10-01 19:47 | User Profile
XMH, part of my problem with these 'worse is better' prophets is that they assume that a modern industrialized society will, faced with societal collapse, revert to a type of preindustrial rural self-reliance almost by default. When he says "we did it before", he's talking about 200 years ago, not 1959!
What the worse-is-better types refuse to acknowledge - ever - is:
a) usually, worse is [B]worse[/B]. What Tom Chittum, for instance, describes, is a scenario with 100 million dead. If part of that 100 million , let's say, includes every member of your family, how in God's name does that lead to a glorious new day?
b) a people so degraded that the total collapse of societal infrastructure is necessary before any cultural restoration can be effected are [B]a doomed people.[/B] If you can't summon the will to expel your parasites while the lights are still on and the sewage systems are still operating, you will descend to barbarism before you ascend to enlightenment - if you ever do. A lot of this type of thinking is just armageddon-theory with a funny hat and Groucho glasses.
Or more properly, this is what you get from watching too much wrestling on tv. In wrestling, the good guy gets whaled on for ten minutes before he gets struck with a blow so titanic that it 'awakens' him into a fury that turns the entire match around. Well, guess what? In reality, if I break a heavy carved-oak chair over your head, [I]you ain't gettin' up[/I]. Maybe ever.
c) Steele here says - in effect - 'boy, if we could just all have our nuts cut off, what mighty warriors we'd become!' Do you really require a refutation for this bit of 'logic'?
d) No one has yet convinced me why a 98% majority actually require societal collapse and apocalypse as a covering fire to punish the 2% minority deliberately destroying their way of life except [I]cowardice [/I] and [I]stupidity[/I]. What this smacks of - to me - is that too many of us don't want to risk the opprobrium of society that comes with standing on a street corner calling out the Jew by name. Let it all come down in flames....then it'll be safe to hang Hyman from a lamppost! No one will notice or care or [I]single me out for severe disapproval or punishment[/I] if the whole friggin' country is a raging inferno!
No, no, no and [I]no[/I]. Fortune favors the bold, not the suicidal - and certainly not the [I]craven [/I] and suicidal. Look to your European history: full of mass expulsions of Jews without anyone having to set fire to their own civilizations to achieve it. To look forward to such a collapse - simply to skate the embarrassment of being characterized as a 'Nazi' or a 'fascist' - is, to me, the epitome of craven gutlessness and the mark of a people who quite frankly don't deserve to survive.
2003-10-01 20:08 | User Profile
Your points are well taken IR, merci. Worse is worse. Just look at Nazi Germany when they tried to expel the jews. I really don't think there's any 'better' way to free ourselves from the millstone neck-tie that every Gentile is wearing right now. Your way, Steele's way, Linder's way will all be very ugly before anything gets better for us. In any case, let's all hang together.
2003-10-01 20:20 | User Profile
Well, a period of ugliness is not worse-is-better.
Remember, we are all here at OD because of one paramount concern: SAVING THE BABY. Not tossing it out along with the bathwater.
When looking to Germany - who waged war on one front too many - remember one detail: the 'victor's justice' we visited upon that people. The Dresdens and Hamburgs and partitioning and awful squalid deaths of so many human beings in DP camps and at the hands of the commissars. Not only was worse not 'better' for the defeated German nation, she has never recovered from the disaster. She didn't revert to a self-reliant 18th-century version of herself; she simply licked the hand of her new masters and walked with a limp forevermore. And even should Deutschland rise again as one people in one nation, she will never be the same ever again.
Still think worse is better, you apocalyptniks out there?
2003-10-01 20:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Still think worse is better, you apocalyptniks out there?[/QUOTE] Il Ragno, a fine succinct synopsis on the fate of Nazi Germany. Truly a montrous tragedy. Sadly, if another Hitler rose up to loudly proclaim the name of the jews, we'd find ourselves in a bad, bad way. Someone who softly proclaims their awful name gets nowhere either. However, word of mouth and Mother Nature is quite a cocktail that might give some folks a hangover in the near future.
Anyway, let me say that Steele and other 'worse is better' preachers might just be telling us 'elect' to 'get ready'. I don't think there's anything wrong or absurd about folks studying basic survival skills in case of total collapse. I don't think that the 'apocalyptniks' have any ulterior motive but only to serve warning to those of us White folks who might hear the 'word'. To use another Christian analogy, they're warning us of that 'thief in the night'. They only seem to be relaying a scenario that they feel is certainly capable of happening.
I, and I'm sure, many, many others feel that 'something ain't right' or 'something is coming' or 'itz coming'.....whatever 'it' is, we should be ready. I'm only saying these things to understand more of what is the better approach and stir up debate.
2003-10-02 06:10 | User Profile
Count me as part of the worse-is-better crowd. I am actually looking forward to the decline of the Western standard of living and all that will entail, not because I really have any hope our political circumstances will improve, but because it would give me immense pleasure to see these whiners and degenerates, scum in short, suffer. YES! That is my view of the matter. Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.
2003-10-02 06:38 | User Profile
I also think that Germany's example says a lot about trying to face down Jews militarily. Israel might launch a preemptive attack and China could probably be persuaded to do likewise. They don't worry about losing a few hundred million people. They'd be glad to be rid of them. And Jews are such criminal psychopaths that taking the rest of the world down with them would be right up their ally.
We need to learn from Germany's bitter example and come up with a better strategy. One would be to develop a biological weapon aimed at them. Another would be individual terrorism which removes their leaders. Jews are heavily dependent upon their leadership. That's their weakness. Cut off the head - especially the financial head - and the body will collapse. That means taking out the bankers root and branch, especially the Rothschilds, but doing it in such a way that Israel can't track the killers to any particular country.
2003-10-02 19:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Steele here says - in effect - 'boy, if we could just all have our nuts cut off, what mighty warriors we'd become!' Do you really require a refutation for this bit of 'logic'?[/QUOTE]
I nearly peed my pants laughing at this, Ragman.
You FREEKIN' ROCK!!!!
Walter
2003-10-02 19:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]Count me as part of the worse-is-better crowd. I am actually looking forward to the decline of the Western standard of living and all that will entail, not because I really have any hope our political circumstances will improve, but because it would give me immense pleasure to see these whiners and degenerates, scum in short, suffer. YES! That is my view of the matter. Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, me too.
The Tyler Durden character in the movie "Fight Club" said something to the effect that "my vision is people raising potatoes around the ruins of the Sears Tower."
Damn straight. This Starbucks Latte life that I'm leading is definitely irritating me (don't worry, though, I'm keeping a firm grip).
Plain old boredom will be a very large factor in the future cataclysm, I think. The recent film "Fight Club" got at a very important idea: that this whole thing wasn't designed with our evolved needs in mind and is therefore fundamentally flawed, even illegitimate. To the extent that our natures are shoe-horned into it and it fails to fit our evolved needs, it is an illegitimate undertaking and should be brought down. At some point we'll be driven to "break our rusty chains and run" and the late and very great Johnny Cash growled.
I loved the opening sequence in "Fight Club" about the protaganist's taste for IKEA furniture in his sterile condo. A man - a creature whom Evolution designed to bring down mastadon with a sharpened stick - was buying nice doilies for his kitchen by phone.
It really was all about adopting him to the MACHINE and not the machine to him. Our elites see us as cogs in their machine - nice, fungible cogs where only functional uniformity matters. Our tribal Parasite needs the machine as the engine of its control. It is protected by layer upon layer of bureaucratic controls, legal fictions, and corporate call waiting. Take away the bureacratic complexity, expose the worm.
Bringing the whole thing down - literally, as in the film - may be the only way to unleash our souls to fight the Parasite.
Worse is better.
Il Ragno: Don't be afraid, dude.
You know, I'll tell you a great lesson that I learned all too late in my life. I worked for many entrepreneurs - folks who made enormous fortunes from nothing. I watched these people closely for years, trying to figure out what made them rich and me comparatively poor. You know what the answer is (beside the fact that they're all really, really smart)?
They are FOCUSED. They always have only one idea constantly before their mind's eye: "how can I make money on this?" Perhaps better yet: "how can I turn this situation to my advantage and profit from it?"
Guys like us, Ragman, don't naturally think that way. We look for truth, justice and the American way. We bloody philosophize instead of acting. That's not the way to succeed in this world.
The question, then, is not "is the coming Cataclysm good or bad?" The question is rather "how can I use the coming Crunch to gain wealth, power, prestige, and freedome for myself and those I love?"
I know what you're thinking, "spoken like a good Christian, Walter."
But as our beloved St. Paul, of happy memory, admonished us "Run the race so as to win it."
It matters not whether this thing is right or wrong or good or bad. The questions are (1) will it happen (answer: yes), (2) when will it happen (answer: your guess is as good as mine, I say 2016), and (3) how can I turn the situation to my advantage (answer:???)?
Get focused, dude!
Walter
2003-10-02 21:15 | User Profile
Walter, I love ya but you're exhibiting the irrationality of religion here. Where do you think your precious stained-glass, Latin-mass Church will [B]be [/B] after this fall of civilization you so long for? Never mind, if it takes America devolving into a Kosovo - a 3000-mile stretch of burning tires where men hoard bread-mold to treat the sick and wounded, by God you're gonna live to see the glorious day when two plus two equals five because the village elders SAY it is!
We burned civilization to save civilization, eh?
And to think : all this is 'necessary' because it's just so damned inconvenient to suffer the disapproving stares of our fellows by Naming the Jew. Personal discomfort is too great a sacrifice to ask, so let's root for total collapse....this way, I don't have to blubber for St Jude's protection in a Chertoff-designated jail cell full of ni**ers!
[QUOTE]A man - a creature whom Evolution designed to bring down mastadon with a sharpened stick - was buying nice doilies for his kitchen by phone. [/QUOTE]
Is this [I]really[/I] what you think? You, Joe God, citing evolutionary theory to justify a return to the Dark Ages? Way to defend the faith! Way to betray centuries of your forebears who struggled their way [I]out [/I] of barbarism. You want to "bring down mastadons with a sharpened stick"? Hey, we HAVE a place like that already....it's called Africa.
I repeat: this is all end-times wishful thinking indulged in by people who are derelict in their duties to NAME THE JEW. I choose to think the pariahs among us who do so are like sparks combusting in the dry grass, and that the truly decadent - those who turn up their noses at this and instead wish for civilizational collapse, when no penalties will accrue for lamppost justice - will be supplanted by those who inspire us to keep our infrastructure intact and our civilization whole while meting out justice to the 2% who seek to enslave us all.
One other point: when we're all growing potatoes in Ground Zero and vines have covered our skyscrapers, do you rationally believe that the rest of this nuclear-armed planet will sit idly by and [I]pass up [/I] this golden opportunity to conquer us? After a half-century of our dictating terms to them? And if Chaos and Collapse is the Only Way Out Through the Jews, what will be required to overhrow the Red Chinese? Actual mastodons?
2003-10-02 22:08 | User Profile
Worse-is-better didn't work in Russia. The silly European fratricide called WWI is largely to blame for the Bolshevik Revolution.
Several ten million murdered, the best of the nation murdered or exiled. It did appear at the time the Bolshevik were fighting against their opposition during the Russian Civil War, that the outcome of the fight was very incertain and that the Bolsheviks were about to lose. Who knows, perhaps the slight lack of diligence was to blame for the survival of the hook-nosed ones, and the fall of Russian civilization.
2003-10-02 23:11 | User Profile
***>>>Never mind, if it takes America devolving into a Kosovo - a 3000-mile stretch of burning tires where men hoard bread-mold to treat the sick and wounded, by God you're gonna live to see the glorious day when two plus two equals five because the village elders SAY it is! ***
YES! That would be a wonderful and perfectly acceptable change in my view.
>>>We burned civilization to save civilization, eh?
I am not the view myself that civilization is a permanent state, much less, ipso facto desirable in every situation.
>>>And to think : all this is 'necessary' because it's just so damned inconvenient to suffer the disapproving stares of our fellows by Naming the Jew. Personal discomfort is too great a sacrifice to ask, so let's root for total collapse....this way, I don't have to blubber for St Jude's protection in a Chertoff-designated jail cell full of ni*ers!*
This presupposes our situation will change even if the "Jew is named." I disagree with this theory. The Jew has been named by people for years. It is no real secret honestly. I also see nothing necessarily undesirable either in watching the diversity ideology ruin the lives of millions of lemmings, the true believers. Serves them right! I am not of the opinion that simply being "white" is sufficient myself.
***>>>Way to defend the faith! Way to betray centuries of your forebears who struggled their way out of barbarism. ***
Will power uplifted us out of barbarism in the first place. Now that our will power has ran its course we will collapse back into barbarism and be overrun by aliens. This is nothing really unprecedented or unpredictable.
>>>You want to "bring down mastadons with a sharpened stick"? Hey, we HAVE a place like that already....it's called Africa.
There is nothing really unique about Africans not found amongst the "African-Americans" in the United States.
***>>>I repeat: this is all end-times wishful thinking indulged in by people who are derelict in their duties to NAME THE JEW. ***
I am not of the view personally that the Jew is the sole cause of our problems. In my personal opinion, the Jew has acted more of an enzyme in a completely natural process that Europeans are ultimately to blame for themselves.
>>>I choose to think the pariahs among us who do so are like sparks combusting in the dry grass, and that the truly decadent - those who turn up their noses at this and instead wish for civilizational collapse, when no penalties will accrue for lamppost justice - will be supplanted by those who inspire us to keep our infrastructure intact and our civilization whole while meting out justice to the 2% who seek to enslave us all.
You seem to be equating should with will here. You seem to be suggesting that a recovery at this point is possible, that naming the Jew will somehow precipitate this change. No, I disagree. The Jew has been named for years. As for civilizational collapse what of it? What civilization prior to the West has not itself collapsed? No civilization lives forever just as no person lives forever.
>>>One other point: when we're all growing potatoes in Ground Zero and vines have covered our skyscrapers, do you rationally believe that the rest of this nuclear-armed planet will sit idly by and pass up this golden opportunity to conquer us? After a half-century of our dictating terms to them? And if Chaos and Collapse is the Only Way Out Through the Jews, what will be required to overhrow the Red Chinese? Actual mastodons?
I think you are a tad confused here. Many of us here would much rather change things and leave our civilization intact. Should and will are again two different things. Many of us simply no longer believe that is realistically possible the future will play out like that. Western Europeans are by and large spent. How can you argue with people who want to perish, who are so convinced of the desirability of their own extinction? If they want to perish, why not help them to it? We should focus on improving the situation of like-minded people. Civilization collapse is not the end of the world. Just look at the Jews. They are still around today.
2003-10-03 06:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Il Ragno: I choose to think the pariahs among us who do so are like sparks combusting in the dry grass, and that the truly decadent - those who turn up their noses at this and instead wish for civilizational collapse, when no penalties will accrue for lamppost justice - will be supplanted by those who inspire us to keep our infrastructure intact and our civilization whole while meting out justice to the 2% who seek to enslave us all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Fade the Butcher: You seem to be equating should with will here. You seem to be suggesting that a recovery at this point is possible, that naming the Jew will somehow precipitate this change. No, I disagree. The Jew has been named for years. As for civilizational collapse what of it? What civilization prior to the West has not itself collapsed? No civilization lives forever just as no person lives forever.[/QUOTE]
I think that Fade has it right.
Hey, Ragman, I'm not saying that I relish the thought of all the destruction. Perish the thought. I love air conditioning. I love Central Park this time of year. I love the culture of the Tridentine Mass.
But that's not the question. The real question is not whether it's desireable (it's not) but whether it's avoidable.
I think that at this point the answer is "no, it's not avoidable." It's gone too far. Much, much too far. I don't want violence, but I frankly see no way around something approaching a collapse and Tom Chittum's Civil War II.
We need to deal with that very real possibility, accept it, and make appropriate plans.
Hey, I name names. I do it every chance I get to friends, family, even casual acquaintances. And from my experience, Fade is also correct that EVERYBODY KNOWS that the neo-cons are behind this somehow or other. We all do, I'm sure.
We're powerless to stop this thing, in my estimation.
The only question is what we can make of it. And if we get focused on that, we the answer is that we can gain our freedom, reclaim our culture, and re-build our civilization. And the more enterprising among us can grow rich.
All I'm saying is that we need to get over the fact that it will happen, and deal with that reality.
Warmest regards,
Walter
2003-10-03 11:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I'm not saying that I relish the thought of all the destruction. Perish the thought. I love air conditioning. I love Central Park this time of year. I love the culture of the Tridentine Mass. [/QUOTE]
And thong panties. [I]You left out thong panties![/I]
2003-10-03 13:17 | User Profile
All in all a damn good article by Mr. Steele. I don't perceive it as a worse-is- better scenario so much as a worse-is-inevitable scenario, and none of OD's pundits ventured an opinion on his general prediction: that depression is inevitable once interest rates rise due to the adverse pressure of the national debt, and that this depression will cause the Black and Mestizo inner cities to collapse due to the dysfunctional nature of multicultural Amerikwa.
One other observation, naming the Jew won't do a bit of good until the air-conditioning in the nightmare is turned off.
2003-10-03 15:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]And thong panties. [I]You left out thong panties![/I][/QUOTE]
How could I leave out thong panties (aka "ass floss")
Walter
2003-10-03 15:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]How could I leave out thong panties (aka "ass floss")
Walter[/QUOTE]
Hey, to each his own; but I don't see how you guys could stand to wear those things, much less be seen in public in them...
2003-10-03 16:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]All in all a damn good article by Mr. Steele. I don't perceive it as a worse-is- better scenario so much as a worse-is-inevitable scenario, and none of OD's pundits ventured an opinion on his general prediction: that depression is inevitable once interest rates rise due to the adverse pressure of the national debt, and that this depression will cause the Black and Mestizo inner cities to collapse due to the dysfunctional nature of multicultural Amerikwa.
One other observation, [B]naming the Jew won't do a bit of good until the air-conditioning in the nightmare is turned off[/B].[/QUOTE]
Bardamu hits the nail on the head!
Our people are in a stupor caused by too much cheap beer and Monday Night Football. They need to get real good and irritated to even begin asking what's causing ITZ.
I'll stick my neck out and agree with Steele on this. Frankly speaking, I'm ASTONISHED that it hasn't happened long ago, as I've said several times on this forum. The dollar is wildly overvalued. The Chinese have unimaginably enormous reserves of dollars, and the Yuan is ludicriously undervalued. Uncle Sam has committed to (what?) $33 trillion in entitlement and other programs in the next twenty years or so that he doesn't take in as taxes. It all comes to a head in about 10-15 years when the Boomers hit the Social Security fund. It's all right there, and indeed even establishment rags like Business Week (which I read faithfully) write about this in hushed tones nearly every issue. It's no secret to the folks with the big bucks.
I don't get it, I really don't. Why in the hell does anybody, especially foreigners, have any faith whatever in the dollar? The fact that it's gone on this long makes me question whether I have a full understanding of it. It's doing something that I could never have predicted - defying economic gravity for years on end without coming crashing to the ground. It really stumps me. Seriously.
Anyway, back to the issue of FOCUS and always keeping the question of "how can I make money on this" foremost in our minds as we should, the concrete actions I've taken thus far is to keep my savings in a foreign currency, and I even own a little bit of gold. The point is to dump dollars while the dumping's good, IMHO. Don't hold more dollars than you absolutely have to. Sink it into something else that looks undervalued (a container of thong underwear, for example).
I also think (and I'd like to hear the opinion of others on this) that American real estate prices are hitting the top end of a major speculative run-up. Our elites kept interest rates at historic lows in a desparate attempt to stimulate consumer spending. Americans are taught to max out their home equity (which is mostly air, anyway) and spend it on stuff, and not to worry about it as the money's cheap and housing prices only go up, right?
Wrong!
I think that we're seeing already the perverse effects of low interest rates, including oldsters stopping spending as their interest income dries up. At some point they'll have to go back up, and then the old game of musical chairs will begin. I think that housing prices will fall dramatically, perhaps to 1992 levels.
This - and again I'm obviously speculating but I'm planning my finances around this so help me out here - should be a major buying opportunity for those who can time it right. I'm leaving out the depression, of course. Cold hard cash (gold and Swiss Francs, say) will be KING, and I'll bet that one could snap up some assets cheap, cheap, cheap.
So, I agree in general with Steele.
What do you think, Bardamu?
Ragman?
Walter
2003-10-03 16:58 | User Profile
[quote=Walter Yannis] I'll stick my neck out and agree with Steele on this. Frankly speaking, I'm ASTONISHED that it hasn't happened long ago, as I've said several times on this forum. The dollar is wildly overvalued. The Chinese have unimaginably enormous reserves of dollars, and the Yuan is ludicriously undervalued. Uncle Sam has committed to (what?) $33 trillion in entitlement and other programs in the next twenty years or so that he doesn't take in as taxes. It all comes to a head in about 10-15 years when the Boomers hit the Social Security fund. It's all right there, and indeed even establishment rags like Business Week (which I read faithfully) write about this in hushed tones nearly every issue. It's no secret to the folks with the big bucks.
I don't get it, I really don't. Why in the hell does anybody, especially foreigners, have any faith whatever in the dollar? The fact that it's gone on this long makes me question whether I have a full understanding of it. It's doing something that I could never have predicted - defying economic gravity for years on end without coming crashing to the ground. It really stumps me. Seriously. [/QUOTE]
Just as amazing is how the Japanese banking system continues to walk the razor. Once the sun really sets on the Japanese economy, and the final no-kidding-last-time call comes in, U.S. commercial and residential real estate will take the dollar down the drain without a sucking sound to be heard. Why it hasn't happened yet is a mystery:
[url]http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/845708.asp[/url] But in a shrinking economy, new bad debts pile up almost as quickly as the banks clear out the old ones. As many as 200,000 Japanese companies have all but failed. They’re being kept on life support by the banks, and a socialist government afraid that allowing the companies to fail and default on their loans will kill the banks and put huge numbers of Japanese out of work. So the economy limps along. The irony here in Japan is that despite this economic crisis, there are no bread lines. There are no unemployment queues. This country still enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the world. For the average Japanese, there isn’t much pain.
BUT WAIT! Maybe alls we has to does is send in the A-Team, headed up by the Mr. T of the Washington Grip/Grin Club:
[url]http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1059480107026[/url]
*The Americans felt almost as disconcerted. They were there as representatives of a consortium that had just bought the bank. The deal was controversial - nothing like this had been done before in Japan. However, the three men hoped that by popping into the staff canteen they might be able to greet some of the bank's staff. "We wanted to say 'hi' - show we haven't got horns," Collins said later.
As they looked around they saw that in Japan bankers sit in neat, quiet rows, in a clear pattern. At some of the tables there were just women, wearing matching uniforms; at others there were only men in dark blue suits. This was not segregation by sex but by status: the women, so-called "office ladies", all held the lowliest clerical jobs, so they tended to sit together.
"I have seen segregation before," Jordan, a political activist and close friend of former US president Bill Clinton, later recalled. "I'm from the American South - I grew up with segregation. But when I looked at that canteen, it was like a whole new type of divide... it was like nothing I'd seen before."
Jordan looked for somewhere to sit down. He could tell that some form of hierarchy was at work in the room, but it ran against his instincts. He had spent his whole life fighting segregation. "I am a free man! I am a man of the people!" he liked to declare. So he chose the first seat that grabbed his egalitarian fancy - right in the middle of the youngest and most junior office ladies - and with a big grin tried to strike up a conversation with the tiny women around him, using his best American "meet and greet" skills.*
Yup, a random Damn-de-South here, an equalitarian slam of Nip culture there, and we're back in the black so to speak. The Banking System Saved by the Man Ob De Pipple!
Jordan will dream of seppuku when the reigning culture- whether of round or variously slant-eyed persuasion- shakes things out and begins to adorn the lamp posts up and down Constitution Ave....
2003-10-03 17:41 | User Profile
The debt bubble stories really have taken hold in the press lately:
Consumer credit as a percentage of disposable income is higher than it has ever been.
Mortgage debt as a percentage of disposable income is higher than it has ever been.
The US current account deficit is as high as it has ever been.
"Nobody can pinpoint when this process will come to an end," said Carlos Asilis, a portfolio manager with the hedge fund Vega Capital Management. "But it is very clear that it can't go on forever.ââ¬Â [[URL=http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/02/markets/consumerbubble/index.htm]cnn story[/URL]]
2003-10-03 17:58 | User Profile
***>>>It all comes to a head in about 10-15 years when the Boomers hit the Social Security fund. ***
My thoughts exactly. Don’t forget that about this time Generation Diversity, in all their intellectual poverty thanks to integrated schools, will really begin to take over the reigns. That is another disaster waiting to happen right there. These mestizo immigrants in California and elsewhere, now that they have settled down, are also about to start multiplying like locusts which will push down the states fiscally like an avalanche. The demographic change will also continue to pull down both Europe and Japan. This will reinforce the decline in the United States because the Japanese and the Germans will be less able to finance the consumer culture in the U.S. by investing their capital here.
2003-10-03 18:05 | User Profile
There is a scenario where rising interest rates don't cause a dramatic fall in housing prices: dollar devaluation and inflation. Simply put, half a million in debt tomorrow may be a different half a million.
2003-10-03 19:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Frankly speaking, I'm ASTONISHED that it hasn't happened long ago, as I've said several times on this forum. It really stumps me. Seriously. [/QUOTE]
It shouldn't. We have most of the bombs and all of the media. Foreclosers get nuked, and spun as 'terrorist states' before and after the smoke clears.
As for the Coming Interest Rate Disaster, I lived through the last one in 79. 21 percent or so. Rough sledding, but society didn't collapse into a Mad Max scenario.
Now here's one for the apocalyptniks. What do you guys plan to do if we [I]don't [/I] devolve into a hunter/gatherer network of armed camps? Have you even [B]considered [/B] a Plan B?
2003-10-03 19:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno] Now here's one for the apocalyptniks. What do you guys plan to do if we [I]don't [/I] devolve into a hunter/gatherer network of armed camps? Have you even [B]considered [/B] a Plan B?[/QUOTE]
Plan A (devolution): Hunt/gather with thong slingshots Plan B (copacetic): Sell thong slingshots to Gary North crowd
2003-10-03 19:58 | User Profile
Speaking of nukes, media and solutions, here's one idle fantasy of mine - an "idle fantasy" in that it could easily be accomplished, would preserve civilization and ensure worldpeace for a millenium (once we let the Poles, Germans and Slavs finish killing each other off, that is).
Nuke Israel off the map once and for all.Make it a handshake deal between all the nations of the earth.
(We will pause a moment while the devout MadMaxoholics swallow hard and think, "B-but th-that's what it sez in the B-b-bible! We CAN'T do that!")
For all the white noise we endure (and create!) about the malevolent world control of the Jew, let's be honest: the consolidation of their power, and the beginning of the end of white hegemony, [B]truly [/B] begins with the founding of the Hate State. Before Israel, even the tikkunest of olan'ers tended to pull their punches, having no default destination in the event of yet another mass expulsion should their court-advisership have backfired on them. But look at the trajectory of the world since the establishment of The Shitty Little: high-speed 'n' downward, like a snowball rolling down Kilimanjaro. From Mugabe to Madonna they have jimmied open a thousand Pandora's Boxes on the world, each time guaranteeing us that nothing but good things could result from their opening. They own not only the media but a nuclear arsenal far out of all proportion relative to their tiny population - and it is aimed at us at all times in case the programming should short-circuit. They have exhibited not only the will, but the [I]natural inclination [/I] to use that arsenal without so much as a flicker of hesitation or remorse.
But just as a stake through Dracula's heart simultaneously freed his victims while ending his reign of terror, vaporizing Izzy in one fell swoop begins the Jubilee for the other 6 billion inhabitants of this planet - ie, US. No return to cavemanhood will be necessary; not even a Day of the Rope, as the world's dual citizens would be overnight Marranos, their hole card neutralized and their thoughts wholly focused on finding holes to hide in. Their nurse-shark subsidiary parasites would similarly undergo instant conversions to civility. Imagine, for a moment, the calm after the storm as the planet adjusts to the unfamiliar position of peace and freedom without the Instigator/Trickster Race to whisper lies into the ears of power. We might just conceivably all get along even, once the MTV signal becomes a test pattern from every point on the globe.
How is this scenario any less desirable, or more outlandish, than one in which we all turn into coloreds and burn our cities to the ground in order to 'start over' with Israel still out there, armed to the teeth and managing the world's flow of information?
2003-10-03 21:21 | User Profile
:dung: + [img]http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Russia/Tsarfreefall1_240c15.jpg[/img] = :shocking: :punk:
2003-10-04 01:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]What do you think, Bardamu?
[/QUOTE]
Perplexity.
I will not invest my savings in stocks and bonds. This is a matter of the heart. I will never invest in this entity called ZOG. As it is now I have cash savings in the bank, and I haven't yet decided whether to invest in some rural land (I can't afford city land) or to invest in gold and silver. Lately I have been considering putting it into a Swiss bank account, but I know nothing about this, but would be interested to learn if any of you would care to enlighten me. I am hesitant to invest in land because of the likelihood that we occupy a real estate bubble. As it is I am simply piling up cash and laughing in their face when the agents of investment sing their siren song.
It would seem that at some point the national debt will wreck the economy, but it is all funny money anyway, so what the hell do I know? I remember reading, and you guys probably remember reading, the theory that the real reason we smashed Hussein's Iraq was because they changed over their petro currency from dollars to euros. This was dangerous because it could have started a run on the dollar, or a sell-off of the dollar. All of these countries holding dollars keeps inflation at bay. This is the reason we can defy the laws of inflation when we print funny money, because the dollars leave the system. Once they come back all hell is going to break loose, which is to say, the value of the dollar will plummet.Feel free to correct me if I wrong because it is all hokus pokus to me.
If the national debt was ever paid back there would be no dollars in circulation because every single piece of currency represents debt that a usage tax is paid on to the Federal Reserve, a [I]private[/I] corporation, which is 90% Jew owned. This is breath-takingly crooked, and it is the very foundation of our economic system.
Concerning Steele's prediction concerning [I]communal violence/I, I think this is very likely to happen when the next collapse comes. Although I think, between all the groups, the blacks will get the worse of it, and the Asians will get the least of it. I pray for this shakeout to happen because then we can break the country up into national regions, which is my dream. Israel will have to be taken out early because otherwise they will nuke us first. It is as plain as that. They have to go. There is no question about this.
2003-10-04 02:39 | User Profile
If that scenario plays out, your "land" will be useless - whether city or country. Force of arms will determine who "owns" what, not a bill-of-sale in a smashed-flat economy.
The same way that a parcel of land you "own" right now can be taken from you at any point you cannot pay the assessed taxes on it. Makes no difference if you bought it outright for cold cash, or you've been carrying a mortgage for years on it.
This goes double for anyone the gummint is [I]out to get [/I] for political reasons. They can show up with inspectors to "find" all the ordnance-violations they can cobble up to squeeze you with....everything from cracks in the sidewalk to the height of your fences.
2003-10-04 02:52 | User Profile
It depends which region your land falls in. If you purchase land in the rural White-belt chances are the locals will respect your property rights. So far as property taxes go, that depends on which state you live in. In California, if you own the property outright they can't throw you out for back taxes or utilities. They place a lean against your property and wait for you to die.
2003-10-04 06:35 | User Profile
This is a very interesting thread.
The decadent and Jew controlled Weimar Republic (I might post in the future how the Jews thoroughly dominated all aspects of the German life during the Weimar years. The situation repeats itself in present-day America, as the bloody war criminal and mass murderer Ariel Sharon said - with typical Jewish arrogance and effrontery - "Jews control America".) -- a real cesspool and a failed State, produced the new men of National Socialism. Btw, the National Socialist State proved beyond any doubt that a modern-day western nation could completely rid itself of Jews and prosper culturally, socially, economically, etc. from such action.
Germany never sank as low as during the Weimar years following WW I and the betrayal of the Jewish ââ¬ÅNovemberverbrecher"; yet, out of that disaster Germany witnessed the beginnings of new regime. The National Socialists brought the German Volk to unparalled and unprecedented heights of power, glory, and success.
Iââ¬â¢m glad to see that Americans are finally realizing what all peoples at all times have always known:
ââ¬ÅThe Jew is the ferment of decomposition in peoples.ââ¬Â
-Mommsen
ââ¬ÅThe Jew is the Enemy of Mankind.ââ¬Â
-Voltaire.
THEREââ¬â¢S NO WAY OUT BUT THROUGH THE JEW!
2003-10-04 06:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] ...It all comes to a head in about 10-15 years when the Boomers hit the Social Security fund. It's all right there...It's no secret to the folks with the big bucks... [/QUOTE]
It's not rocket science to the ones without big bucks either. Check out the skyrocketing number of disability lawsuits in the heartland. Workers know well indeed that if they want to get anything they paid into that scam, they have to get it now.
Nothing comes to a head in 10-15 years. Forget the boomer cliche and remember they're the most downsized generation in history. If there would have been a revolt, it would have been in the middle of their working years, not when they're near-death.
The other thing is what a politician here told me not long ago: The system can stay intact forever. All they have to do is ratchet the retirement age up to 87 and a half. White workers can pay into it till they drop and Mexican illegals can siphon off it any time they want. Everybody knows that's what's going on now -- where's the revolt?
To analyze Social Security you have to remember that the Soviets said every citizen of the USSR was assured a job and a home for life. What kind of job? What kind of home? That's the sort of Social Security the white workers of the Soviet America will be getting.
And the government can make a scam like that last a long, long time. Your Labor Department employment stats are lies right now. How long can they lie? Soviet Russia went about seven decades.
If Soviet America starts with the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, don't be too impatient.
2003-10-04 07:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Btw, the National Socialist State proved beyond any doubt that a modern-day western nation could completely rid itself of Jews and prosper culturally, socially, economically, etc. from such action. [/QUOTE]
[I]Thank you[/I], Friedrich Braun! My point precisely.
2003-10-04 07:57 | User Profile
"The National Socialists brought the German Volk to unparalled and unprecedented heights of power, glory, and success."
Yeah, but that's only half the story - until about 1938.
NS also lead to Germany's utter destruction, along with the rest of Europe.
It's a dead end.
Regards,
Walter
2003-10-04 08:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Nothing comes to a head in 10-15 years. Forget the boomer cliche and remember they're the most downsized generation in history. If there would have been a revolt, it would have been in the middle of their working years, not when they're near-death.
The other thing is what a politician here told me not long ago: The system can stay intact forever. All they have to do is ratchet the retirement age up to 87 and a half. White workers can pay into it till they drop and Mexican illegals can siphon off it any time they want. Everybody knows that's what's going on now -- where's the revolt?
To analyze Social Security you have to remember that the Soviets said every citizen of the USSR was assured a job and a home for life. What kind of job? What kind of home? That's the sort of Social Security the white workers of the Soviet America will be getting.
And the government can make a scam like that last a long, long time. Your Labor Department employment stats are lies right now. How long can they lie? Soviet Russia went about seven decades. [/QUOTE]
You make an interesting point.
I have a slightly different take on this, however. I think that most people are in total denial about the truth of SS. Most people that I talk to still imagine that it's a sort of savings account invested in real assets that's collecting interest for their retirment. When I point out to them that this isn't at all the case, and that indeed they're a victim of the most awfully regressive tax regime imaginable, in the form of payroll taxes that are used to create an unimaginably large slush fund of cash for other federal spending, leaving only IOU's in the trust fund that will be paid (if at all) by the next generation in increased taxes and/or by themselves in the form of greatly decreased benefits, they blink even as their eyes glaze over. It's pure bathos, man. They just shut down at the mention of this particular truth. They don't want to hear it.
Then they get mad at me, for some reason, and accuse me of wanting to rob them of their hard earned retirement savings. Seriously. Shooting the messenger, I guess. That's the way the conversation usually goes. I try to avoid it, as it generally does no good.
Most of our people are stupid and/or self-deluded, Ragnar. It's a painful truth, but it's a truth we must accept.
They'll only break through their bovine acceptance of the current larcenous system when they "feel the burn", as Jane Fonda used to say.
And feel it they will. Weisbrot and Bardamu correctly allude to the potentially explosive fact of the ethnic diversity of the white oldster Boomers making demands on the system and the much browner youngsters being asked to continue paying in major portions of their paychecks to finance the SS checks of a bunch of middle class whites. The ethnically homogeneous Japanese don't have to deal with this very destablizing factor. We do.
As I've said, the current SS system is shamefully regressive, and I can't imagine that any group with any sense of itself and even a modicum of self-respect would allow its working poor to continue straining under such an shockingly burdensome and unjust system.
Thus, there are bound to arise Mexican and other ethnic politicians raising a stink about regressively taxing the sweat off Pedro's brown ass to finance Brad Whitebread's club membership.
These ethnic issues ultimately have economic ramifications. Your skin will be your uniform. It will get ugly. I see no way around it.
Walter
2003-10-04 08:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]"The National Socialists brought the German Volk to unparalled and unprecedented heights of power, glory, and success."
Yeah, but that's only half the story - until about 1938.
NS also lead to Germany's utter destruction, along with the rest of Europe.
It's a dead end.
Regards,
Walter[/QUOTE]
Quick point.
NS didn't lead to Europe's destruction; that's very simplistic and inaccurate (and the official party line). The WW II victors wrote the history of NS Germany and the events that led to WW II. Dissident voices are seldom allowed to surface. When they do surface, all hell breaks loose (for e.g., the storm that greeted John Charmley's bio of Churchill in the early nineties).
Anyway, I suggest that you take a look at John Charmley's bio of Winston Churchill ("The End of Glory: A Political Biography"), see [url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/104-1533247-6200747[/url]
I think that you'll get a clearer (and less one-sided and simplistic) picture of the dynamics that ultimately led to Europe's destruction.
2003-10-04 08:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Il Ragno: It shouldn't. We have most of the bombs and all of the media. Foreclosers get nuked, and spun as 'terrorist states' before and after the smoke clears.[/QUOTE]
I didn't understand that. Are you saying that Afghanistan, Iraq, Serbia and [fill in the blank] are "foreclosers?" To the contrary, we don't seem to bomb our creditors, such as especially Japan and China. At least not yet. We do seem to pick on little, poor countries that can't strick back. Please advise.
[QUOTE]As for the Coming Interest Rate Disaster, I lived through the last one in 79. 21 percent or so. Rough sledding, but society didn't collapse into a Mad Max scenario.
Now here's one for the apocalyptniks. What do you guys plan to do if we [I]don't [/I] devolve into a hunter/gatherer network of armed camps? Have you even [B]considered [/B] a Plan B?[/QUOTE]
I don't know if we're looking at a "Mad Max" scenario. Joseph Tainter in his "Collapse of Complex Societies" (on Yggdrasil's classics list) theorizes that collapse is back to the level where economic equalibrium is met. Recent historical precedents indicate that total collapse to hunter-gatherer status is not that point of economic equalibrium. The USSR collapsed, but it fell back onto its ethnic interal boundaries, more or less. The borders weren't always clear and these were the trouble spots (Chechnya, Nagorno-Karabakh, Trans-Dniestr), but in general the collapse didn't lead to total disaster. Same for Yugoslavia, although things definitely got ugly there for a while. Czechoslovakia is the model for how collapse can be done humanely.
Fade, I think, has it right that we'll most likely break along ethnic lines. There will be some transfer of population, probably some needless bloodshed, but I don't think we're looking at, say, Germany during the Black Death or anything.
The point that I and (I think) Fade and others are trying to make is that the sooner this happens the better it will be for us. Had the peoples of Yugoslavia managed to see where it was headed and made a deal with each other, as did the Czechs and Slovaks, they'd get where they're going anyway without a lot of needless pain.
Muli-ethnic empires don't work - ethnically-based nation states do work. It's just that simple. The United States as a self-consciously European, Christian and English-speaking nation state was a really swell idea; the United States as a multi-ethnic empire united only by some "concepts" is a really bad idea, and one that's obviously going to fail.
All I'm saying is get ahead of the curve on this. Acceptance is the answer to most of life's problems, after all. Deal with the fact that it's going to implode down to the next lower level of complexity (to paraphrase Tainter) and plan your life accordingly.
That's what I'm doing.
I'm also considering buying Yuan.
Walter
2003-10-04 09:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I didn't understand that. Are you saying that Afghanistan, Iraq, Serbia and [fill in the blank] are "foreclosers?" [/QUOTE]
Nope. But they (Japan, China, et al) represent that part of the audience for whom the present show is being staged as a cautionary tale.
You don't actually think that the preeminent nuclear superpower is going to allow the rules to apply to them in the event of total financial meltdown, do you? Hell, look around you: whenever we've been beaten fair & square, we simply change the rules and cobble up 'victory' from that.
The weather will look a lot sunnier when we take over all the oil fields, Walter. Regardless of the lies we'll have to tell the world (and ourselves) to preserve the fraud of "Christian morality" so vital to our self-image. And the Joe Farahs and Cal Thomases out there will stick one premoistened finger in the air, detect the wind-shift, and begin blowing noisemakers and triumphantly quoting Scripture like always.
2003-10-04 12:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno: Nope. But they (Japan, China, et al) represent that part of the audience for whom the present show is being staged as a cautionary tale.
You don't actually think that the preeminent nuclear superpower is going to allow the rules to apply to them in the event of total financial meltdown, do you? Hell, look around you: whenever we've been beaten fair & square, we simply change the rules and cobble up 'victory' from that.
The weather will look a lot sunnier when we take over all the oil fields, Walter. Regardless of the lies we'll have to tell the world (and ourselves) to preserve the fraud of "Christian morality" so vital to our self-image. And the Joe Farahs and Cal Thomases out there will stick one premoistened finger in the air, detect the wind-shift, and begin blowing noisemakers and triumphantly quoting Scripture like always.[/QUOTE]
I'm still probably not understanding you fully.
China isn't afraid of us, Ragman. Oh, they'll move carefully for the next 20 years or so, but the time will come - and it isn't so far in the future - that they'll assert themselves, both militarily, economically. They believe - and rightly so - that they can defeat us in war, and they're also right in assuming that we'll have no stomach for it when we get there. They're much better equipped to absorb the big punch than we are. They're more homogeneous, just as technically savvy, and more group-oriented, more used to tolerating depravation.
In addition, mutually assured destruction in practice eliminates the application of nukes. It won't come down to that, at least not intentionally (bad accidents could always happen - this is actually a real possibility in the Asian sub-continent). Military action would be a conventional affair, more or less, and they'd kick our asses even now anywhere in Asia. You underestimate them, I fear.
Japan will fall increasingly into China's orbit, or perhaps better to say both countries (along with Taiwan, Korea and Singapore) will increasing converge economically. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's a very, very scary situation. China is 1.2 billion bright people moving ahead at breakneck speed. Already these countries have a combined GDP larger than America's. It's just a question of time. We're very over-extended, and I think that the tide has already turned against us.
Ditto on the reasons for our grab at the oil fields. This is really about two things: (1) Israel's survival, and (2) our power elite's continued dominance via monopoly control of the world's energy supplies. The interests of the Bush crime family converge nicely with Izzy's survival. A match made in hell, so to speak.
It might work. One of the things that could really turn it around for the elites and avoid collapse is (per Joseph Tainter's analysis) a massive energy subsidy. Pumping massive amounts of cheap, cheap oil could be the cavalry riding over the hill to rescue the SS system just in the nick of time. Or maybe some major invention that increases energy proficiency. Say a fundamental discovery in power transmission efficiency or maybe really cheap wind power. That could do it, too.
The fact that they're making a grab at the oil wells indicates just how seriously they take the problem.
Walter
2003-10-04 13:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE]You underestimate them, I fear.[/QUOTE]
It's not that I underestimate them. It's that I refuse to overestimate the short-sightedness and false pride of our fearless leaders.
[QUOTE]In addition, mutually assured destruction in practice eliminates the application of nukes. It won't come down to that[/QUOTE]
Never been a weapon built that wasn't eventually deployed. MAD presumes better angels of logic and reason prevailing over superstition and belligerence. Not an iota of recorded evidence exists that such qualities can be ascribed to mankind.
[QUOTE]Pumping massive amounts of cheap, cheap oil could be the cavalry riding over the hill to rescue the SS system just in the nick of time.[/QUOTE]
Here at last we agree!
2003-10-04 14:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Never been a weapon built that wasn't eventually deployed. MAD presumes better angels of logic and reason prevailing over superstition and belligerence. Not an iota of recorded evidence exists that such qualities can be ascribed to mankind.[/QUOTE]
To the contrary - the USSR and the USA didn't push the button in five decades of Cold War.
In fact, I believe that in WWI poison gas was not used as soon as all sides had it (the learned please correct me if I'm wrong). Poison gas wasn't widely used in WWII, for example, although everybody had it.
Same with germ warfare - the Soviets had it as did we, but we pulled that particular punch.
I think that history proves just the opposite.
[QUOTE]Il Ragno: It's not that I underestimate them. It's that I refuse to overestimate the short-sightedness and false pride of our fearless leaders.[/QUOTE]
I guess that's something we'll just have to agree to disagree about. I think that one cannot rightly OVERESTIMATE the short-sightedness and false pride of the Neo-Cons. These pepole are the personification of hubris. They will be hoist on their own petard, soon enough.
Mark my words.
Walter
Walter
2003-10-04 16:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I guess that's something we'll just have to agree to disagree about. I think that one cannot rightly OVERESTIMATE the short-sightedness and false pride of the Neo-Cons. These pepole are the personification of hubris. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I vapor-locked there. Obviously, that's what I meant to say.
2003-10-05 00:45 | User Profile
I've been very impressed with the quality of discussion on this thread, so I wanted to ask a couple questions of the posters here.
1) Would worsening conditions in America lead to an environment ripe for Nationalist takeover as it did in Germany?
and
2) If so, who would be able to interfere and put it down considering the facts that:
a) NS Germany only had 40(?)-60 million people going into the war, yet had to fight against England, USA and Russia
and
b) The USA has around 200 million White people, and I don't see any major enemies who would have the might to stop a similar White Nationalist movement here.
Any thoughts on this?
2003-10-05 03:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=ErikD]...Would worsening conditions in America lead to an environment ripe for Nationalist takeover as it did in Germany?
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The answer to that must be a boom-crash [B]no.[/B]
Check the poverty-level farm, former mining and industrial areas for details. As conditions get worse, Americans become more hopeless, fragmented and paranoid. What they see on CNN does not match what they are so they blame themselves. The most common form of suicide in rustbelt and ex-"family farm" America is death in front of a television via take-out pizzas and cheap beer.
Germany didn't have a mass media hive in the 30s. Germans were connected to each other. White Americans are not.
[QUOTE]...The USA has around 200 million White people, and I don't see any major enemies who would have the might to stop a similar White Nationalist movement here.[/QUOTE]
There are skeptics who insist the number of white Americans is a lot smaller than that. Government statistics include any number of newly-arrived immigrants as "white" when it suits them. Saying so might not make it so.
Science fiction writer Jerry Pournelle opined in the mid-80s that the one necessary precondition of a Soviet collapse would be the free flow of information. America's current situation requires the opposite: The one necessary precondition to a rise of White Nationalism will be a catastrophic failure of the American Mass Media.
Whites won't see the truth till they stop seeing the lies on TV.
2003-10-05 03:44 | User Profile
I've read somewhere that Dr. Pierce estimated that only about 60 % of Americans could be genetically classified as "White". I'll try to find out how he came to that data. Of course, the American census counts Middle Easterners as White. And a census comes down to self-identification (there's obviously no genetic testing involved); so who really knows...
[QUOTE=Ragnar]The answer to that must be a boom-crash [B]no.[/B]
Check the poverty-level farm, former mining and industrial areas for details. As conditions get worse, Americans become more hopeless, fragmented and paranoid. What they see on CNN does not match what they are so they blame themselves. The most common form of suicide in rustbelt and ex-"family farm" America is death in front of a television via take-out pizzas and cheap beer.
Germany didn't have a mass media hive in the 30s. Germans were connected to each other. White Americans are not.
There are skeptics who insist the number of white Americans is a lot smaller than that. Government statistics include any number of newly-arrived immigrants as "white" when it suits them. Saying so might not make it so.
Science fiction writer Jerry Pournelle opined in the mid-80s that the one necessary precondition of a Soviet collapse would be the free flow of information. America's current situation requires the opposite: The one necessary precondition to a rise of White Nationalism will be a catastrophic failure of the American Mass Media.
Whites won't see the truth till they stop seeing the lies on TV.[/QUOTE]
2003-10-05 05:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Sorry, I vapor-locked there. Obviously, that's what I meant to say.[/QUOTE]
The hubris of the neo-cons could well be their un-doing.
It may indeed be the case that they're hoping that control of Middle East oil will stave off economic collapse in the West, but there's certainly no guarantee that they'll be able to execute those plans.
Resistance groups in Iraq are showing how trivially cheap it is to knock out bits of thousand-mile pipelines, and how prohibitively expensive it is to patrol them.
They've thus far shown no ability to size up the situation as it really is and to act accordingly. Their record since 9-11 is one of astonishing economic mismanagement, cause by their inability to jettison unworkable ideological directives.
If preventing economic economic collapse is their goal, they'll have to stop destroying the white middle class, stop unchecked third world immigration, give the white soldiers a reason to fight (like for Christian heritage), and so on.
In short, their goal of ruling the world through covert control of America is wholly at odds with their visceral emotional need to destroy America. They want to kill and eat the goose that lays the golden eggs, while insisting that the eggs will nevertheless be there for them after the goose is gone.
They're a house divided against itself. They cannot stand.
Walter
2003-10-05 06:10 | User Profile
We have free trade sucking manafacturing and IT jobs out of the United States. We have Mexicans sucking billions of dollars out of the United States, sending it back to Mexico. We have illegal aliens sucking our social services dry. We have foreign nations sucking god only knows how much interest off their massive wads of treasury securities. We have Jews sucking billions and billions off of us in foreign aid not to mention all the rest of the foreigners. Iraq and Afghanistan are sucking more and more and more to the point where we are begging Japan and Germany to help pay the costs of occupying Iraq. Once the baby boomers begin retiring the sucking sound will be as loud as Niagra Falls. We are locking up record amounts of Negroes in the prisons which is sucking the states dry. Yes, something is going to give one day. You can bank on it.
2003-10-05 08:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar]The answer to that must be a boom-crash [B]no.[/B]
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Mr. Ragnar,
I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Never, under any circumstances, loose your hope.
My opinion is that ZOG will implode under the weight of it's own ambitions. The stitches that keep the American multiculti Frankenstein together are economic in nature. Once this goes south, the whole creature will break down. The economic situation in the US today is not nearly as bas as in the Weimar republic, but it's getting there rapidly, as correctly explained by Walter. If the Jews have the monopoly of the media, the WNs have the monopoly over the truth, and there is no ammount of CNN brainwashing that will convince a mugged/jumped/raped/hungry etc. individual that everything is hunky dory. It is true that White Americans are not revolutionaries by heart, but their anger runs deep and it will erupt, I am sure. It is a matter of manouvering the coloreds to fire the first shots, and this will not be difficult once the welfare checks stop arriving.
What WN organizations like Natianal Allience should concentrate is building a parallel white infrastructure similar to what Hamas has built in Gaza. That is, white charities, white doctors, white day cares, above all - a trained white militia. Things that can fill the power vacuum once the inevitable happens.
When the s***t hits the fan, there are excellent possibilities to create a white homeland in America. The Blacks and the Mexicans will be at each others throats, while the Jews will be despised by all (they pushed so hard for everybody in the US to be circumcised, so that it is more difficult to recognize them once the unrest starts). There are excellent chances that a much better NS America will emerge on a large part of the US.
One of the reazons ZOG is so keen on robotic warfare is not because it wants to spare goy lives, but because it distrusts its own army and wants to have robots instead of soldiers (who could disobey orders). Thry hope robots would make excellent crowd control. The good news (from Iraq) is - it doesn't work.
2003-10-06 00:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar]The most common form of suicide in rustbelt and ex-"family farm" America is death in front of a television via take-out pizzas and cheap beer.
Very true.
Germany didn't have a mass media hive in the 30s. Germans were connected to each other. White Americans are not.
Excellent point. This underscores the fact that any aspiring revolutionaries in America will need to develop their own independent media. But more importantly, they will need to get the average American off the couch and into the streets like the Nazis did. That's what Rev. Matt Hale of the WCOTC was doing at rallies like the one in York, PA, and that's why ZOG was so desperate to stop him they used an FBI informant to entrap him. ZOG knows that public activism is the Holy Grail of Revolutinary movements.
There are skeptics who insist the number of white Americans is a lot smaller than that.
Quite likely.
Science fiction writer Jerry Pournelle opined in the mid-80s that the one necessary precondition of a Soviet collapse would be the free flow of information. America's current situation requires the opposite: The one necessary precondition to a rise of White Nationalism will be a catastrophic failure of the American Mass Media.
Or the birth of a revolutionary pro-White media.
Whites won't see the truth till they stop seeing the lies on TV.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Whether it's by getting them off the couch and into the streets and meeting halls, or by giving them a replacement media. Or both.
2003-10-06 20:50 | User Profile
Excellent points Rudel.
My belief is that the Jews can best be understood as a race of gypsy gamblers. From their escapades in ancient Egypt, to their risky activities as goldsmiths engaging in "fractional reserve banking" (aka Fraud), the Jews have always engaged in unsound financial shenanigans in a greedy attempt to own everything without breaking an honest sweat. Like all gamblers, the Jews get on a roll and start to believe they have the magic touch. Thinking they can't lose, they make bigger and bigger bets until the whole thing eventually blows up in their face, and they lose everything.
It's happened time and time again throughout history... wherever the Jews have resided, they have reaped their just rewards of their shady dealings. As goldsmiths in ancient Europe, they usually experienced runs on their phony gold "reserves" and were often hung by angry mobs. In almost every case, they were violently expelled from every nation in which they resided.
Their stint in the USA will be no different, but this time the Jews have wagered everything, and they will lose in a very catastrophic fashion. Americans are historically slow to anger, but once roused they are a deadly foe. The genocide of the American Indians is a mild example of what will happen to the Jews once Americans are awakened to their parasitic activities here. Their implosion as a race is going to be very sudden and dramatic. They know it and that's why they are rightfully concerned, but like all the fate of all gamblers, the house eventually takes it all. The White Race has always been the house.