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2003-09-30 23:49 | User Profile
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Marriage: just say no By Darren Blacksmith
The forces building against marriage are insurmountable; marriage is crumbling in the West, and may soon be almost gone.
Donââ¬â¢t do it guys. Donââ¬â¢t get married. It hurts me to say this, as Iââ¬â¢ve always viewed a successful marriage as my main goal in life, and Iââ¬â¢m one of the most romantic fools youââ¬â¢ll ever meet. But I canââ¬â¢t deny reality any longer.
I address myself here to the ââ¬Ëgood guysââ¬â¢, the men who work hard, who treat women nicely, act responsible then get turned over by women who call them ââ¬Ëboringââ¬â¢ and prefer to date the bastards. Do you believe your value to a woman is purely to add a bit of color to her life, as someone to challenge her and keep her on her toes, as nothing but the bad boy who will prove to her that all men are scum? If so then by all means get married, but brace yourself for the very real possibility of what happens when your nuclear family goes nuclear.
Dating and finding a wife is a game of numbers. To get a date you are going to have to talk to a certain volume of women, to get a girlfriend youââ¬â¢re going to have to get a certain volume of dates, and to get a wife you are going to have to work yourself through a certain volume of girlfriends. But as any serious young guy knows: Western women are sabotaging the game. They have become indifferent towards men and scathing towards good men. I donââ¬â¢t sincerely think that older men have any appreciation of how bad things have gotten for young men looking for a date.
If you are in possession of a decent character, if you believe you have a right to keep the fruits of your labour, and that no-one has the right to stop you from spending time with your own children, then consider Western marriage an extremely high-risk project. Ignore the pressures and ridicule your family and women may throw at you. You are not a sacrificial lemming whose only option is to queue up on the cliff-top and jump, hoping for the best. In the current climate, women have no right whatsoever to lecture us on the need for us to marry. They are not the ones committing suicide en masse due to their kids being taken away and poisoned against them. They are not the ones divorced for no reason then kicked out of their house and forced to spend the rest of their lives labouring simply to meet the costs of a family that now hates them.
No, the truth is that not only has marriage in the West become a losing proposition for a man, its an institution looking extremely vulnerable from a barrage of attacks from multiple directions. And you owe it to yourself to take a long hard objective look at Western marriage, its pitfalls and perils.
Already over the last three decades marriage has crumbled, and I see every sign that this trend will continue. Feminism is undoubtedly the single greatest cause of the breakdown of marriage, and this shouldnââ¬â¢t be any surprise, it was one of feminismââ¬â¢s stated goals from the very beginning to destroy marriage and the nuclear family, which were regarded as ââ¬ÅPatriarchalââ¬Â oppression of women.
And while the odds of having a successful marriage shorten every year, the single lifestyle becomes ever more attractive for both men and women. So, even if one or a few of these forces were to be stopped and reversed, I donââ¬â¢t believe the momentum against the destruction of marriage itself can be stopped.
There are seven main forces acting against marriage:
What exactly is a Western wife offering to her Husband that she hasnââ¬â¢t already given to other men? She may have already shared her body with tens of other men, and she is likely to submit more to the masculine authority of her boss than she will ever do to you. The age-old model of masculine/feminine differences and expectations in marriage has been totally eroded.
What we have instead of the heterosexual model is an unstable and largely self-contradictory model based on androgyny and materialism. Couples get married because itââ¬â¢s a great way to improve their lifestyle through pooling their assets. They are both devoted to seeking power through their own careers more than they are devoted to each other. Itââ¬â¢s a temporary arrangement, only held in place until some better ââ¬Ëdealââ¬â¢ is on the table.
Given this, it should come as no surprise that Western governments have been under increased pressure to legalise and legitimise homosexual marriages.
Itââ¬â¢s an obvious point, but the stigma attached to ââ¬Ëliving in sinââ¬â¢ has collapsed in the now more secular West. What begins as a ââ¬Ëtry before you buyââ¬â¢ arrangement to live together first and see how things go, becomes entrenched as the standard, and then many people (well, men) wonder what the point of getting married would be. The momentum of this view is now so strong that I canââ¬â¢t envisage any circumstances under which the church would be able to regain its power and insist on marriage as the only way a man and woman can live together as a couple. Itââ¬â¢s just not going to happen.
Also, not only is it increasingly socially acceptable not to marry, but also the sexual revolution is continuing at full pace, amounting to legitimising the ââ¬Ëswingerââ¬â¢ lifestyle. In fact, to call someone a ââ¬Ëswingerââ¬â¢ is now anachronistic because their attitudes and behaviour are absorbed into the mainstream. Pornography, gay-experimentation, three-somes, sodomy, masturbation, and many different forms of sexual experience are increasingly talked about openly and less likely to be condemned. Iââ¬â¢m not saying itââ¬â¢s a good thing, Iââ¬â¢m just saying its occurring. And it weakens the exclusivity of marriage.
Listen guys, how sure are you that you would never feel the urge to cheat? Are you sure that you could stay faithful to that one woman for the rest of your life, despite the relatively easy availability of single woman whoââ¬â¢ll casually sleep with you?
Youââ¬â¢d never do such a thing?
The very suggestion is monstrous?!
Well, good. But hereââ¬â¢s a harder question for you to answer: Are you 100% sure that your wife will never cheat on you given the ever increasing opportunities for her to do this? If she works ââ¬â which she probably will ââ¬â then her chances of being tempted to stray are vastly increased. And if you have Internet access there is the chance some smooth-talking guy will start taking to her online, and before you can say ââ¬Åcybersexââ¬Â there will be some electronic intimacy going on.
You can bet that she has already unconsciously memorised all the rationalisations for cheating on you (ââ¬ÅThere was not enough emotional communicationââ¬Â, ââ¬ÅWe grew apartââ¬Â) Oprah and Rikki taught them to her.
With the Western divorce courts outrageously biased against men, the prospect of a divorce is particularly frightening to a hard-working devoted man and particularly tempting to a bored, restless woman.
There are huge financial interests from the legal industry to fan the flames of marital disharmony: divorce is a lucrative opportunity.
As an example of the sort of advice that divorce lawyers are capable of giving, consider the following quote from "Divorce War-50 Strategies Every Women Needs To Know To Win":
ââ¬ÅCriticize Him Dailyââ¬Â¦by carving into his ego like a Thanksgiving turkey, you can effectively break down his self-esteemââ¬Â¦ A man's self-image is greatly affected by his perception of his virility. If you degrade his sexual ability, you will essentially emasculate him- his entire sense of self-worth will be dismantled."
Be aware that if your wife gets bored and hits you with a no-fault divorce, she will profit, the lawyers will profit, but you could be emotionally and financially destroyed.
The feminine, pure yearning for romance is dead. The object of the game for Western women today is to ââ¬Ëenjoy their independenceââ¬â¢. This is incompatible with what provokes a man to treat women romantically and commit to them. A man looks at a good-time girl and sees a good-time, he doesnââ¬â¢t see a feminine woman that he longs to cradle in his arms, protect and cater for. And the dirty little secret that the feminists donââ¬â¢t want you to know is that the good-time girl generation of Western women are riddled with sexually transmitted diseases, some of which lead to infertility. There is an epidemic. Particularly amongst teenagers, with their cellphones and Email it is easy for them to ââ¬Ëhook upââ¬â¢, and why shouldnââ¬â¢t they? Ever since they were kids the TV, movies and magazines have been telling them thereââ¬â¢s nothing wrong with it. When I now hear of a girl loosing her virginity at 12 or 14 I donââ¬â¢t even think it unusual anymore. But what blows my mind is imagining a girl loosing her virginity at 12, and not getting married till sheââ¬â¢s 30 or 35, and seeing it as her right to hook-up with men: how many men with these girls have slept with before they marry? To not expect any psychological or gynaecological consequences to this is insane.
Stable people make for stable marriages. This is something not often discussed because it offends a lot of sensibilities and is politically incorrect to say, but please bare with me: Iââ¬â¢m not mentioning this to demean anyone, Iââ¬â¢m simply stating it objectively as a force that is working against marriage. As divorce and raising children outside marriage has skyrocketed over the past three decades the harm this has done to new generations is huge. Many now are very cynical about marriage, many are psychologically harmed; they have issues with trust, they have low self-esteem, depression, or simply no understanding of how family life can work. Many who have been brought up by a single mother have contempt for the very existence of fathers. Such a population of people does not bode well for fighting against the odds to make marriage work again.
Again, this has been discussed endlessly in the media: there are more perks for the single person than ever in history. Aside from the explosion of consumer choice in dining and entertainment there are now more product options for the sexually hungry. The unsavoury but honest truth is that there has been an explosion of single men (and even women) accessing the vast online reservoirs of pornography and women are now funding a fast-growing industry of vibrators (available for the ââ¬Ësex and the cityââ¬â¢ generation of girls in all varieties of shapes, designs and speeds); instant sexual satiation for a generation for whom commitment has become too unattractive.
If you want to have children and value the security and love that marriage has the potential to offer then you will vastly lower the risks of marriage by seeking a non-Western woman. Yes, there are indeed Western women who would make excellent wives, but the ones who would enrich your life and truly never opportunistically cheat on you or divorce you are few and far between. And the main problem is that itââ¬â¢s impossible to identify them. Iââ¬â¢ve known several women who I thought were really decent people and credits to their husbandââ¬â¢s who then decided to bale out of their marriage and took their husband for a ride in the process. You would never have guessed theyââ¬â¢d have done this. Their husbands certainly didnââ¬â¢t. Almost everyone now has family members (two cousins in my case) who they now never see because the ex-wife has made it impossible.
As I said before, looking for a wife is a game of numbers and opportunities; itââ¬â¢s just like fishing. Now, the river of the feminist-indoctrinated countries has a high percentage of fish that are poisonous to you, but the river of the traditional countries is largely stocked with healthy and delicious fish. Which river will you choose to fish in?
Iââ¬â¢m not a hater of Western women and I am not saying this because I believe Western women are evil to the core. The reason that ââ¬Ënoââ¬â¢ must be considered an option for men thinking of marriage is that the lifestyles, culture and expectations of Western women are now such that its an uphill struggle to successfully marry one. Even if we totally destroyed feminism tomorrow, its effects would continue for years. It would take probably one or two more generations to purge the feminist poison from our societies. Donââ¬â¢t think you can change one of these women; to think that is nothing short of arrogance.
I predict that as the cost and availability of travel and communication become more accessible around the globe, more Western men will come into contact with traditional, non-Western women and immediately notice an opportunity for a happy marriage. For American men this is most likely to be a Mexican or other Southern American woman, for British men this may be the Southern or Eastern European woman, and those lucky Australian men have a vast population of Asian lovelies right on their doorstep.
When it comes to considering marriage, be a man. Donââ¬â¢t let other people, particularly women, manipulate your emotions on this subject. Think it through rationally and assess whether you are willing to take the risk, whether you are willing to pay the price. You donââ¬â¢t have much choice whether to let pushy, man-bashing Western women into your workplace, gym, library, or sports club, but you can keep them out of your marital beds.
2003-10-01 00:43 | User Profile
Fred Reed had similar things to say on this subject some time ago.
[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=4][FONT=Book Antiqua]Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer[/FONT] [/COLOR] [I]Take Horror. It's A Better Bet.[/I][/SIZE] July 14, 2003
[SIZE=4][COLOR=Indigo][FONT=Times New Roman]Were I to offer thoughts on marriage to young American men today, in these the declining years of a once-great civilization, my advice would be as follows: Don't do it. Or, if you do, do it in another country. In America marriage is a grievous error. And why so? Because of The Chip. The Attitude. The bandsaw whine of anger, anger, anger that makes American women an international horror. It's there. It's real. You, a young man, may not recognize the Chip if you have never seen normal, warm, happy women. If you are twenty-something and haven't been out of the US, you haven't seen them. They exist by the billion--in Latin America, Singapore, Taiwan, Malaya, China and, last I looked, France and Holland. And of course not every woman in America carries the Chip. None of them think they do. Yet it is the default, the usual, what comes out of the box. The following is a perfectly ordinary, everyday, bulk-lot example, suitable for poisoning a cistern: "Other than a 29-inch waist and a full head of hair, there isn't much to recommend the twentysomething male…He is living an extended adolescence -- an adult-olescence -- and every immature, irresponsible, self-absorbed thing he does is reinforced by the latest issue of his favorite men's magazine." (Susan Reimer, a columnist for the Baltimore Sun. I bet she goes out a lot.)* Hers is the Attitude--and what they think of you. It is the defining trait of American women. Exceptions exist, and they have my apologies, but they are few and no, sport, your Sally probably isn't one of them. They're coiled to bite. As soon as problems arise in the marriage, they turn into Susan. Susan Reimer is what is out there, guys: bitter that no one wants her (as who in his right mind could?), sure that no one is good enough for her, never having grasped that those who would be loved must first be lovable. Understand this: Susan is America. Some hide it better, springing it on you after the ceremony, but Susan is the rule. The Susans do not like men. Sometimes they actually take courses in disliking men ("Women's Studies"). Yet they want to marry one and have babies. For them, the contradiction actually makes a kind of sense, because (and they know this, believe me) they will get the house, the children, and the child support. For you, it makes no sense. You will get raped in the divorce courts. You don't know how bad it is. Don't do it. A prime effect of marriage is backbreaking financial overhead: the excessive house in the prestigious suburb, the pricey but boring cars, all that. But if you don't fall into the trap, keeping your expenses down means you can live in Alaska or overseas and enjoy existence. There is more to life than debt service. Although these are bad times for marrying, they are extraordinarily good times for being single. Now, children. This is sticky. You may want them, or think you want them, or think you may want them. She wants them. My advice is to move to almost any country where English isn't spoken and women don't want their husbands to be the mothers of their children. Any country inhabited by the Chinese would do nicely. Incidentally, remember that it is never now or never. Your prospects improve with time. At thirty-five or fifty you will be perfectly able to find a good woman if you know where to look. See above list. Remember also that these are not good times for having children in America. It is almost irresponsible. The schools are scholastically poor, drug-ridden, given chiefly to political indoctrination, and hostile to male children. The universities are little better. Divorce is hell on children and their fathers, and nearly universal. The country lunges to police-statedom and isn't, I suspect, as stable as it might be. Worse, worst, there is Susan Reimer. Her name is legion, and she seeps everywhere, like the effluvium of unwashed socks. Further, there is no social duty to have children. Some argue that the white population is in decline. Tough. If the country chooses to make having kids undesirable, then let it decline. It is not your problem. Now, you might well wonder, why are American women carrying the Chip? Practically, it doesn't matter: They do carry it, and will continue. Still, it is partly because from birth they are fed the notion that they have been oppressed, battered, cheated, deprived, harassed, used as sex objects, not used as sex objects, on and on. Being rational, you are perhaps inclined to point out that never has a female population been less any of these things, but don't bother. It will have no effect. The Chip is an emotional artifact to which they respond emotionally. The bedrock of The Attitude is that everything is the man's fault. Wonders Reimer, "What is the answer, especially if the 20- and 30-year-old male is such poor marriage material?" She does not wonder, "If I am such a grindingly awful termagant that men on three continents are crossing their legs and feeling queasy over my mere column, and won't come near me except in a Kevlar bathysphere with a disinfectant system, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Gosh. I wonder what?" Yet something more is going on, though one does not easily see just what. Note that in recent decades we have seen the invention by women of bulimia and anorexia, which no one had heard of in 1965. Men made them do it. At roughly the same time women began getting breast implants, which men also made them do, and then suing about it. In the same period they began having induced memories of being raped or satanically abused by their fathers. Men again. The psychotherapy racket grew like kudzu, a sure sign of deep unhappiness over something. All of this is recent. You have to be fifty to remember women who were resilient, sane, psychically strong and, within the limits of an often sorry existence, content. But whatever the answer, guys, the problem isn't yours. Spend a year overseas, however you have to do it. For smart, classy, just plain glorious women who often speak English, try Singapore. Argentina is splendid. Many places are. You would be amazed. See what's out there before you marry a gringa with her Inner Susan, who will one day burst from her chest like one of those beaked space-aliens in the movies, dripping venom. They're death. [/FONT] [/COLOR][/SIZE]
2003-10-01 00:47 | User Profile
If this article was reversed and written you-know-what, you wouldn't see quips like "I'm not saying that I..." or "Don't get me wrong..." popping along the landscape. Unfortunately, the writer is a male who tip-toes throughout the dreck. Say what you truly feel [B]without[/B] apology.
2003-10-01 20:33 | User Profile
Feminist family politics and their roots in communist ideology:
[url]http://www.fathersforlife.org/feminism/hubbard1.htm[/url]
2003-10-04 19:46 | User Profile
Well you still have to try to find wife, but be very very careful about it. Being an unmarried man in my 20's I know all to well how hard it is to even meet a girl you would want to talk to much less marry. I recall eating lunch with young woman and looking at her; thinking how pretty she was and them she opened her mouth and said say something really sick. Rule 1 don't marry a whore, a fornicator is not going to make a good wife! Zvaci is most right this all a product of Marxist's Culturewar.
Paul Craig Roberts wrote one of the best art on this subject.
[QUOTE]Men are the losers of the sexual revolution
Paul Craig Roberts September 2, 2001
Men are the losers of the sexual revolution
Columnist Jeffrey Hart recently argued that women were the losers of the sexual revolution. He has a point. By making themselves available outside of marriage, women have undermined the institution of marriage. The problem with Hart's analysis is that he assumes that men want sex and women want marriage. But what if men want marriage, too? Aren't they also losers of the sexual revolution?
Men do want marriage. There is no comfort in a different woman every night. Moreover, that approach to sex might produce offspring, but not a lifetime relationship with sons, daughters and grandchildren.
Because of the emphasis on the sexual benefits to men of the sexual revolution, many people blame men for the revolution. But, of course, it wasn't men who created the sexual revolution.
The sexual revolution was a happening. Many men were surprised at the sudden availability of young women. I was a university professor during the 1960s. I remember the complaints of male students that "nice girls are ruining themselves."
Sex became casual. It no longer was proceeded by a long period of dating, going steady or being "pinned." Sex became a date activity like going to a movie. Eventually with the present-day "hook-up," sex was divorced from dating altogether.
People who study the sexual revolution blame it on feminists. No doubt feminist intellectual arguments in favor of female promiscuity played a role, but I doubt a significant percentage of the suddenly available young women were being guided by the intellectual musings of feminists.
I don't know why the sexual revolution occurred. But I do know that many young men were of two minds about it. It was a helpful development for raging harmones, but it made it difficult for a guy to get a girl of his own, someone special to him.
Eventually, guys may get over their reluctance to enter into long-term relationships with women who have been in bed with their friends or friends of their friends. When I ask men I know who are in their 30s and 40s why they have not married, they do not answer that female promiscuity makes it unnecessary. They say that they are reluctant to propose to easy women.
One man put it this way: "I would be uncomfortable in social gatherings where 15 percent of the people had been in bed with my wife."
The sexual revolution has provided men with easy sex, but not with families and wives who don't walk out on them. Feminists may have destroyed the chastity of women, but they certainly destroyed the security of marriage.
Today it makes no sense for a man to marry even if sex were unavailable from "hook-ups." The reason is the extreme risk that marriage today imposes on husbands. A wife can throw her husband out of his house, take his children and half or more of his income without having to have a real reason for the financial and emotional ruin she brings to her husband.
We hear a lot about successful middle-aged men who leave their wives for younger "trophy" wives. But most divorces are initiated by women and are involuntary divorces from the husbands' standpoints.
Back when marriages were real, solid grounds were required for divorce. Moreover, divorce was not designed to financially ruin men. Today divorce proceedings treat husbands and fathers as criminals in the dock. If a husband fights over custody of children or visitation rights, the wife simply tells the police that he has threatened her and gets a restraining order, or she reports him to Child Protective Services as a child abuser.
A man who marries today is either ignorant of the risks, has great confidence in his choice of mate or is a fool.
Restoring marriage is a much larger job than putting the sex genie back in the bottle and confining sex to the marriage bed. The institution of marriage has to be fixed. Real grounds have to be required for divorce. Divorce proceedings must treat men equably and not as convicted felons.
There is little chance of this happening. The forces assaulting the family are too strong. Leadership is rare, and when it arises it is spurned, as evidenced by Stephen Baskerville's recent expulsion from the Virginia Triennial Child Support Guideline Review Panel for criticizing the divorce industry's vendetta against fathers.
Contrary to Jeffrey Hart, men are the real losers of the sexual revolution.
é2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
url: [url]http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20010902.shtml[/url]
Original Dissent thread: [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=220&highlight=roberts+paul+revolution[/url] [/QUOTE]
2003-10-04 20:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Well you still have to try to find wife, but be very very careful about it. Being an unmarried man in my 20's I know all to well how hard it is to even meet a girl you would want to talk to much less marry.[/QUOTE]
Faust, as a man in my early 20's, I understand. Almost all women in my age group are not worth my time and energy. The only nice women I've ever met are usually from Europe(especially Eastern Europe).
2003-10-05 06:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Faust, as a man in my early 20's, I understand. Almost all women in my age group are not worth my time and energy. The only nice women I've ever met are usually from Europe(especially Eastern Europe).[/QUOTE]
You're wise beyond your years, my friend.
Check this out, fellas:
[url]www.aprettywoman.com[/url]
Ain't a damned thing wrong with any of them girls.
Uh-uh.
I married foreign, and I've never regretted it. There are a few traditional socieites left in Europe. Serbia, Croatia (lots of beautiful Catholic girls), Poland (ditto), Bulgaria (whoa!) for example. I'd look there.
Forget American women. There are certainly many good ones, but for me it isn't worth the trouble sorting out the wheat from the chaff.
Go east, young man!
Walter
2003-10-06 22:38 | User Profile
Men have a lot to lose with marriage these days. Does not mean they should not do it. Just marry the 'right' one. Avoid the chicks with VD, the chicks who will get VD, the wigger chicks, the dumb chicks, the chicks with dicks....
In other words, only about 5% of the female population are worth marrying. The majority of those in America are probably radical Southern Baptists who would have a problem with anti-Semitism because, you know, Jesus was a Jew.
On another note: It is much easier to appreciate whores when one loses their respect for women. :notworth:
2003-10-07 17:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]...There are a few traditional socieites left in Europe. Serbia, Croatia (lots of beautiful Catholic girls), Poland (ditto), Bulgaria (whoa!) for example. I'd look there. [/QUOTE]
Especially Poland. :)
Make sure you know before you get started that Eastern women (esp. Poles and Hungarians) have lots of characteristics we associate with hot-blooded Irish gals.
There's a big misconception that these ladies are docile in an oriental sort of way. Wrong. Polish women especially are quite bright and they will be your best friend and vindicator in a way no American Ms can even understand anymore.
If you want loyalty and are prepared to give the same, Walter is right. East is where to look.
2003-10-07 18:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar]Especially Poland. :)
Make sure you know before you get started that Eastern women (esp. Poles and Hungarians) have lots of characteristics we associate with hot-blooded Irish gals.
There's a big misconception that these ladies are docile in an oriental sort of way. Wrong. Polish women especially are quite bright and they will be your best friend and vindicator in a way no American Ms can even understand anymore.
If you want loyalty and are prepared to give the same, Walter is right. East is where to look.[/QUOTE]
That's good to hear. I'm currently trying to court a cute Polish gal! :wub:
2003-10-07 19:05 | User Profile
I don't give a crap where the girl is from (must be White, of course) but if you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife. [I]Croyez-moi![/I]
2003-10-08 06:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]That's good to hear. I'm currently trying to court a cute Polish gal! :wub:[/QUOTE]
That's great news, peron1201!
Another thing:
The Joe Sobran thread made me realize I missed one very important group: Ukrainian ladies. They are supposed to be the best cooks and they're very nearly as good-looking as Poles.
2003-10-08 07:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Well you still have to try to find wife, but be very very careful about it. [/QUOTE]
Of course, this is the right attitude - women are beautiful, but in today's era I would be extra careful in the choice of the mate. Especially avoid today's corporate carreer woman - they often give me the impression of being female impersonators. I am lucky - happily married with a classic 'mommie' girl for 16 years, with children. Never ever cheated on my wife and never will. By the time I got married I made a qualitative leap from being a yuppie poophead to National Socialist and I guess that's what made me a better man. Don't worry - in the comming NS world, women will become feminine again and will love it. One of the phrases often mentioned after the establishment of the NS system in Germany was 'The German woman knits again!'
2003-10-08 07:23 | User Profile
The author forgot to mention the marriage penalty which in the past could easily cost a couple over $100,000 in just the years they have a child dependents. Thankfully, some of that penalty is being removed, but for two working people with children, nothing beats the tax man like being unmarried.
Don't marry a cow, and certainly don't marry a whore. Don't marry any woman who has "guy friends." Don't marry a divorcée. Don't marry a liberal and don't be a liberal. And, don't prove yourself to be Politically Correct by disputing me.
Find a conservative girl with real values. And, be someone that she would want to date. In other words, don't be a fat and don't be a bum. These girls are easy to find. They're are a few in every big church and at many places of work. And, like adopting a kitty cat, you'll love any decent girl so don't worry about feelings (they'll probably just mislead you to the whore who knows how to control your feelings). Check her teeth and fur then take her home.
If you're in your 20s and have no girlfriend, get one now. Delay no more. An average girl now is better than anything you'll get in your 30s.
And, to have a happy marriage, just treat her like you want to be treated.
PS: If you have trouble talking go girls, it's probably because you know that you don't deserve a date. Lose that weight. Cut that hair. See the dentist. Tuck in that shirt. Smile. Get a job. Get saved. Etc.
2003-10-08 14:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker] PS: If you have trouble talking go girls, it's probably because you know that you don't deserve a date. Lose that weight. Cut that hair. See the dentist. Tuck in that shirt. Smile. Get a job. Get saved. Etc.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm usually shy around girls. I guess it must be because I'm fat, long-haired, ugly, and so on. Some people are shy by nature. :angry:
2003-10-08 18:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Polish women especially are quite bright and they will be your best friend and vindicator in a way no American Ms can even understand anymore. [/QUOTE]
Bingo, Ragnar.
Camille Paglia (who, next to our own dear Wintermute, is my favourite pagan in the whole world) rails about the inability of gender feminists to understand just how much power women actually have.
My wife understands it - she grew up with it. When women are women, so to speak, they let men be men, who naturally go out into the world to do their bidding.
I don't work my a$$ off for myself, after all. My wife stays at home, takes care of the kids (who are all long since in school), and basically has a nice life. Heck, we even have a cleaning lady who comes in three times per week. She's the one the kids will remember - the one who comforted them when sick, fed them with her breasts, caressed them with her gentle hand. I'm the poor sap who gets up early early and deals with "dreamers and telephone screamers" as Joni Mitchell put it to pay for the whole thing.
Women's rule is subtle, but it certainly is a fact of nature. Gender feminism preaches that women's power is really subjugation, and thereby destroys the real power of women. Gender feminism negates women's femininity and removes from them their power to dominate men. It tears women from their children and turns them over to the power of the men who run big corporations, making them consuming wage slaves along with their men.
Gender feminism is an ideology tailor made for irresponsible men and tyrants. And our women bought it, big time.
Walter
2003-10-08 21:02 | User Profile
[quote=Rangar] That's great news, peron1201!
Yes it is! I just hope it doesn't turn into another hopeless situation I always seem to find myself stuck in. I don't know why but almost every woman I've ever been attracted to was either: married, engaged, or already in a relationship with another guy. Man, I must have the worst luck in the world when it comes to love. :wallbash:
Another thing:
The Joe Sobran thread made me realize I missed one very important group: Ukrainian ladies. They are supposed to be the best cooks and they're very nearly as good-looking as Poles.
I'm of Ukrainian decent and I can say that ukrainian women are indeed very good cooks! And yes Ukrainian and Russian women are very charming and beautiful as hell!!!
I sure hope to marry a Russian/Ukrainian/Polish woman one of these days, if I can actually find a woman whose available. sigh
2003-10-08 21:40 | User Profile
I don't know why but almost every woman I've ever been attracted to was either: married, engaged, or already in a relationship with another guy.
We always want what's we can't have, eh?
Man, I must have the worst luck in the world when it comes to love.
Every dude not blessed with perfect good looks or a big-ol' trust fund has thought this at one time or another, but it's rarely true, so don't lose heart.
Flirting is an acquired skill for guys, but it's something the fairer sex seems born with, so you're at a disadvantage right there, but you will get better at it over time.
Go after her, but let her chase you, too, if you get my meaning.
We pursue that which retreats from us, you know?
2003-10-08 23:13 | User Profile
Meaningful relationships might seem next to impossible in our decadent modern society. This is particularly true in urbania, where everything - even love - has been commercialized and commodified. The materialist Jewish media promotes the myth that men want nothing but an unlimited supply of tits and ass, while women are golddigging whores by nature. The truth is far less terrible. Both men and women can get pleasure from sex without love, but sex in the context of genuine romantic love is vastly more rewarding for both sexes. Sluts (along with playboys) get temporary pleasure and attention; whores get a temporary boost to their bank accounts. Yet in the end, their lives are empty and meaningless.
The answers to our relationship problems are not found by looking Far East, as Schopenhauer did, nor to the Middle East, where Dennis Prager points us. We must look West, to the traditions of our own poets and trabadours. The greatest romantics have been men, which alone shows we need love and companionship far more than mindless sex. Chivalry, also, is an indispensable aspect of Western civilization. An honorable lady and mother deserves to be exalted. Let the Easterners regard their women as whores or sperm receptacles. We have deer rifles and pistols for anyone who deigns to treat our ladies like that. Western ladies deserve better.
It is a myth that American women are all man-hating feminists. There are millions of ladies in the Heartland - particularly small towns of the South and Midwest - who have never bought into the feminist lies. To write off all American ladies in favor of foreign women is foolish. To commit miscegnation while doing so is treasonous.
2003-10-08 23:49 | User Profile
Very good post, Redneck.
The good women are there, as you mention, but according to my experiences and observations, they are a fringe minority. Of course, I have not been to the Midwest nor the South, and my experience is limited to the northeast (haha, so there's the problem). The other problem is that the 'good guys' do not get the 'good girl' inevitably in reality, unlike the movies. I have witnessed many traditional and upstanding women fall for the dregs of humanity. Chivalry is good, as it is a blend of the warrior society of old and an emphasis on morality, however I feel it falls too heavily on promoting goodness and purity (for males). Personally, I treat women with the respect they deserve, I am not going to worship them though. I try to be chivalrous and courageous while attempting to maintain the 'badguy image' as well so I do not appear weak. :evil: It is a dilemma, trying to be so many things at once...haha.
2003-10-09 00:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]Well I'm usually shy around girls. I guess it must be because I'm fat, long-haired, ugly, and so on. Some people are shy by nature. :angry:[/QUOTE]
What does "shy" mean? I have difficulty engaging people in meaningless conversation. When someone says to me "The weather is much better than it was last week. At least it's dry." I think, "What a morooon."
I worry that people will say "no" to me. When I want something from someone, I am uncomfortable putting myself at their mercy. There's a loss of control.
You know that if you ask a girl out at work or church and she says "no" everyone will know that you were shot down, that you're not good enough. You'll be damaged goods.
If any of this applies, you're going about things all wrong.
2003-10-09 00:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]We always want what's we can't have, eh?
I guess is has to do with the fact I'm attracted to more mature women, which usually means they're older, which of course means they're probally in one of the situations I described.
Every dude not blessed with perfect good looks or a big-ol' trust fund has thought this at one time or another, but it's rarely true, so don't lose heart.
Well I do have good looks, but I'm not going to post of picture of myself on this forum(especially after hearing about that incident on Stormfront). And I haven't lost heart in hopes of finding love, it's just that much of the "magical charm"(or whatever the hell they call it) has faded.
Flirting is an acquired skill for guys, but it's something the fairer sex seems born with, so you're at a disadvantage right there, but you will get better at it over time.
Go after her, but let her chase you, too, if you get my meaning.
We pursue that which retreats from us, you know?[/QUOTE]
Despite my shyness around women I actually do pretty well in terms of flirting. This is especially true with East European women, I get along with them pretty well. The problem isn't necessarily my flirting skills, its the fact that my flirting only seems to attract married or engaged women. :blush:
2003-10-09 00:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]What does "shy" mean? I have difficulty engaging people in meaningless conversation. When someone says to me "The weather is much better than it was last week. At least it's dry." I think, "What a morooon."
I worry that people will say "no" to me. When I want something from someone, I am uncomfortable putting myself at their mercy. There's a loss of control.
You know that if you ask a girl out at work or church and she says "no" everyone will know that you were shot down, that you're not good enough. You'll be damaged goods.
If any of this applies, you're going about things all wrong.[/QUOTE]
So what are you saying? Having difficulty talking to people about meaningless stuff is signs of some form of mental trouble? Exactly what are you saying here?
2003-10-09 01:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Ain't a damned thing wrong with any of them girls. [/QUOTE]
I strongly disagree. There are many girls of Turkic and Uralic type, obviously not Slavic (and not white, for that matter).
2003-10-09 02:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Redneck Justice] Let the Easterners regard their women as whores or sperm receptacles.
Well, I happen to be one of those "Easterners" (Russian) you speak of, and though I agree with most of your comments regarding the value of chivalry and romantic love, I disagree very strongly with the above statement. "Easterners" do not treat their women like "whores" and "sperm receptacles". One only needs to look at the statistics - Russia has has a rate of rape about 1/4 that of Sweden, and a sexual assault rate about 1/10; a rate of rape about 1/2 that of Germany and a sexual assault rate about 1/6 that of germany (see [url=http://www.interpol.com/Public/Statistics/ICS/downloadList.asp]Interpol Statistics[/url] ) - not bad for a country where about 40% of the violent crime is committed by ethnic minorities. The mail-order bride phenomenon is due to economic reasons, and economic reasons only.
It is a myth that American women are all man-hating feminists. There are millions of ladies in the Heartland - particularly small towns of the South and Midwest - who have never bought into the feminist lies.
This is true, but those women are very much in the minority. Most Western women, save perhaps Boer women and women from the American heartland (and there aren't enough of either to go around) have been completely inundated and corrupted by feminist ideology.
To write off all American ladies in favor of foreign women is foolish.
I agree, its best for Americans to marry other Americans.
To commit miscegnation while doing so is treasonous.[/QUOTE]
What exactly is your definition of 'miscegenation'? Most of the women on that site are of Central/Northern European racial stock. To be sure, there is a large minority of Turkic and Uralic types, but these are not ethnic Slavs (but rather Turkic -Tatars Chuvashis, Kighiz, Uzbeks, Karaites, etc...) and I believe most race-conscious American men can tell the difference.
2003-10-09 04:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] I married foreign, and I've never regretted it. [/QUOTE]
If I may inquire, Mr. Yannis, what is you wife's nationality?
2003-10-09 06:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Eendracht Maakt Mag]Well, I happen to be one of those "Easterners" (Russian) you speak of, and though I agree with most of your comments regarding the value of chivalry and romantic love, I disagree very strongly with the above statement. "Easterners" do not treat their women like "whores" and "sperm receptacles". One only needs to look at the statistics - Russia has has a rate of rape about 1/4 that of Sweden, and a sexual assault rate about 1/10; a rate of rape about 1/2 that of Germany and a sexual assault rate about 1/6 that of germany (see [url=http://www.interpol.com/Public/Statistics/ICS/downloadList.asp]Interpol Statistics[/url] ) - not bad for a country where about 40% of the violent crime is committed by ethnic minorities. The mail-order bride phenomenon is due to economic reasons, and economic reasons only. [/QUOTE]
By "Easterners" I wasn't including Russians. Though part of Russia is geographically "Eastern," Slavs and their civilization are part of the White West. Likewise Australia may be geographically Far Eastern yet there is no disputing that its civilization and people are Western. My apologies if I gave any different impression.
[QUOTE]What exactly is your definition of 'miscegenation'? Most of the women on that site are of Central/Northern European racial stock. To be sure, there is a large minority of Turkic and Uralic types, but these are not ethnic Slavs (but rather Turkic -Tatars Chuvashis, Kighiz, Uzbeks, Karaites, etc...) and I believe most race-conscious American men can tell the difference.[/QUOTE]
Miscegnation would emcompass sex with a non-European race or people (Negroes, Mongoloids, Arabs, Jews, etc).
2003-10-09 15:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Redneck Justice]By "Easterners" I wasn't including Russians. Though part of Russia is geographically "Eastern," Slavs and their civilization are part of the White West. Likewise Australia may be geographically Far Eastern yet there is no disputing that its civilization and people are Western. My apologies if I gave any different impression. [/QUOTE]
** When we use the terms "East" and "West", we are operating with very abstract and conditional concepts. There exist very varied Easts and very varied Wests. The more I get into the life of the West, the more I am convinced, that no sort of a single Western culture exists, it instead was contrived by the Russian Slavophils and Westernisers for clarifying their points of opposition. At the centre of Western Europe is first of all France and Germany. But between the French and the Latin culture generally in contrast to the German culture there exists an abyss quite greater, than exists between the German culture and the Russian culture or that of India, though here even the differences are colossal. Yet it would be groundless for the French to say, that the German culture, in having created great philosophy, mysticism and music, is on account of its not having inherited the Graeco-Roman Mediterranean culture, or that it is not in direct continuance from it. The Anglo-Saxon world likewise is an altogether unique world. And the American civilisation is of far greater difference from the civilisation of the French, than the French civilisation is from the Russian. The Russian civilisation has connections with the Greek, which America possesses not at all. One can speak only about a singular Western civilisation only if there be regarded abstractly the elements of science, technology, democracy, etc. In spirit, however, the differences are enormous, The same also mustneeds be said about the East. The Russian, the Orthodox Christian East, the Islamic East, the Indian East, the Chinese East -- all these are totally different worlds. There is very little affinity between Russia and India. Hinduism does not conceive of history, does not know the person, denies the Incarnation. Christian Russia is similar to ancient Israel in its orientation to the meaning of history and the experiencing of it, as a tragedy, it believes in the Divine incarnation, it awaits the second Coming, and it tormentedly experiences the problem of the human person and its fate.
-- Nikolai Berdyaev "East and West", 1930 [url]http://www.berdyaev.com/berdiaev/berd_lib/1930_353.html[/url]**
I agree with Berdyaev that Russia is indeed in the east, but that does imply its has more in common with China or India than it does with Western Europe. If Russia is part of the West, it's of a totally different West than that of the Anglo-Saxons, French, or Germans.