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Thread ID: 10145 | Posts: 3 | Started: 2003-09-30
2003-09-30 23:19 | User Profile
[Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold said] in biblical times there was no understanding that homosexuality was a natural orientation and not a choice. "Discreet acts of homosexuality" were condemned in the Bible because they were acts of lust instead of the "love, forgiveness, grace" of committed same-sex relationships, he said. "Homosexuality, as we understand it as an orientation, is not mentioned in the Bible," he said. "I think the confirmation of the [homosexual] bishop of New Hampshire is acknowledging what is already a reality in the life of the church and the larger society of which we are a part." [URL=http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6891481.htm]link[/URL]
Griswold is still a liar, even if we grant that the Bible was written by a bunch of ignoramuses rather than inspired by God.
Romans says "Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
Lust is never identified as a sin. The above verses are clear that the sin isn't lust, but the homosexual behavior. If it were lust itself, heterosexual lust would likewise be a sin, but such lust is a blessed part of a marriage relationship.
By calling for the Death Panalty in both the New and Old Testiments, and by God taking the rare moment to say he hates the sinner, not just the sin, it is clear that the Bible considers homosexual conduct to be much deeper than just acts.
St. Paul could easily be talking about Griswold when he says, "Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."
2003-10-01 02:29 | User Profile
Well how else can this faggot defend his views?
2003-10-02 08:26 | User Profile
I think that St. Paul's key insight is that homosexual perversion is a direct result of Pagan influences. From Romans 2:
[QUOTE]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And [B]changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image [/B] made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and [B]worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, [/B] who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 [B]For this cause [/B] God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their [B]women did change the natural use into that which is against nature[/B]: 27 And likewise also the [B]men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another[/B]; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.[/QUOTE]
Clearly, St. Paul teaches us that homosexuality is a corallary to polytheistic idolatry.
Monotheism believes in a God that transcends and stands wholly outside of Nature, which is His Creation. While we Christians believe that Nature is good (Genesis, "and God saw that it was good . . ." ), we also believe that it is fallen. While Nature points to the Moral (the science of these moral inferences is called the Natural Law) it is not to be conflated with the moral. The Natural Law is completed by Revelation, in both Scripture and Tradition.
Thus, the egregious error of the Paganism: if the Natural is Moral, and my impulses are part of my Nature, they are therefore Moral.
I'm reminded of Alistair Crawley's maxim: do what thou wilt. Every Paganism must devolve to sexual perversion by the inexorable working out of its own internal logic. History proves as much.
St. Paul tells it like it is.
Monotheism is a hard way to go. Chesterton compared it to staring into the sun. But it is the only way up and out of the morass of our fallen Natures.
Walter