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Thread ID: 10124 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2003-09-29
2003-09-29 17:24 | User Profile
By Kevin MacDonald é 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
WorldNetDaily columnist Jon Dougherty, in a notably wise and judicious article on Friday, deplored the fact that:
In 2003 America, in order to silence their critics an increasing number of people no longer feel it's necessary to debate with facts to prove their point. Instead, they choose to shout down detractors with infantile rhetoric, name-calling and insults ...
And Dougherty had the considerable courage to name the leaders in this trend: Abraham Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League. As I have previously noted, the ADL has had no hesitation in pinning the label of "anti-Semite" on anyone who notices the Jewish backgrounds, the long history of pro-Israel activism, and close personal and professional relationships among the neocon cabal in the Bush administration.
Ironically, a classic example of this "infantile rhetoric" appeared on WND the same day: Ilana Mercer's column denouncing as "anti-Semitism" my discussion of neoconservatism on Vdare.com. Mercer provides an absurd caricature of my views on neoconservatism and other Jewish intellectual and political movements. She says that I depict the "gullible gentiles" in these movements as "marionettes" manipulated by wily Jews.
Where do I say anything resembling that? In fact, I think that the motives of these non-Jews are a complicated mix of genuine belief and personal ambition. (The attractions of the neocon infrastructure in the media, politics and academe are obvious enough.) But my point remains: The founders and the core members of the movement are Jews who see their involvement as furthering Jewish interests.
There is nothing inherently implausible about hypothesizing that minority activist movements like neoconservatism would be willing to recruit some majority group members. It makes excellent marketing sense to have at least some spokespeople who resemble the target audience. I have found numerous other examples in my work.
Mercer also argues that the elected and senior appointed Bush administration officials, in the main not Jewish, ought to be held responsible for the "administration's blunders." This is true, but it does not in the least delegitimize consideration of what motivated the administration's neoconservative members and friends ââ¬â who generally are Jewish.
Revealingly, Mercer places the term "Jewish ethnic interests" in quotes ââ¬â as if to question that there is such a thing as Jewish interests at all. This is the core of the problem.
We all accept that African-American leaders like Jesse Jackson are pursuing their perceived ethnic interests. No one would deny that the Mexican-American pro-immigration activists advocating open borders are pursuing their ethnic interests. But Jews are somehow exempted from anything so base as even having ethnic interests.
For instance, Jewish pressure for U.S. support of Israel must be because Israel is a shining beacon of democracy ââ¬â never mind the reality that Israel is (and is, arguably, perfectly entitled to be) an expansionist ethnostate. And Jewish support for mass immigration must be because they are liberals bent on "promoting justice." But I believe I have demonstrated that the pro-immigration elements in American public life have, for over a century, been largely led, funded, energized and organized by the Jewish community as part of a conscious strategy to lessen U.S. ethnic and cultural homogeneity, a development Jewish leaders are on record saying is in their interests. My view of the critical role of Jewish organizations in altering U.S. immigration policy is a mainstream scholarly opinion (see, e.g., Hugh Davis Graham's "Collision Course: The Strange Convergence of Affirmative Action and Immigration Policy in America"; New York, Oxford University Press, 2002, pp. 56ââ¬â57).
Mercer may be right that it is a poor long-term strategy for Jews to allow the immigration of large numbers of Muslims. Some isolated Jews have worried about this, most notably Stephen Steinlight, a senior fellow at the American Jewish Committee. But to date, Jewish organizations have not abandoned their pro-immigration policies.
Mercer, in an amazing gap in logic, accuses me of having a "messy habit of mind" for ignoring that "on issues of race and immigration, neocons are not that different from liberals."
But of course, that is exactly my point: Liberal immigration policy has been supported by the overwhelming majority of Jews across the Jewish political spectrum, and this is quite the opposite of traditional conservative attitudes. This is one reason why I believe the neoconservative preferences for mass immigration prove they are an ethnic, rather than an ideological grouping.
I am a professional academic. My work has focused on the influence of the Jewish identity on intellectual, social and political life. Others laboring in parallel rows in the same vineyard chose to consider other ethnic groups. They are never attacked.
Ilana Mercer reminds us that Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Why is not scholarship sometimes only scholarship?
[url]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34824[/url]
2003-09-29 17:29 | User Profile
Bravo Mr McDonald! Bravo indeed! :thumbsup:
2003-09-29 17:32 | User Profile
This is great!!! I believe Illana is in over her head however. Fortunately for us, Prof. MacDonald handles the Jewish issue very well. I am surprised that WND even published this.
2003-09-29 17:40 | User Profile
Let's just keep getting the word out to other Whites by promoting men like Kevin MacDonald. This guy is the real deal.
2003-09-29 18:36 | User Profile
[B]Chaucer[/B] [QUOTE]This is great!!! I believe Illana is in over her head however. Fortunately for us, Prof. MacDonald handles the Jewish issue very well. I am surprised that WND even published this.[/QUOTE]
[B]jesuisfier [/B] [QUOTE] Let's just keep getting the word out to other Whites by promoting men like Kevin MacDonald. This guy is the real deal[/QUOTE]. MacDonald has changed greatly over the last few years. He has become increasingly bolder and much more willing to take a stand. We truly need more like him.
2003-09-29 22:20 | User Profile
Add me to the list of those who are amazed that WorldNetDeli ran MacDonald's excellent rebuttal.
2003-09-29 22:29 | User Profile
Agreed. But note MacDonald's emphasis is not on denigrating Jews - in fact, he veers close to praise for Israeli policies - but in supporting the right of majorities to run their bailiwicks their way.
This has been the entire thrust of Jewish social & immigration policies in America: to numerically dilute the white majority through immigration while breaking the will of that same majority to defend its own interests via nonstop propaganda.
By viewing this phenomena through a lens of dispassionate observation of ethnic group-strategies he can skirt the appearance of choosing sides and making a moral choice. Not that he shouldn't, mind you: there really is no other way to fly beneath Jewish-controlled radar and make his case to the public at large.
But don't think the tide is necessarily turning because of this. Remember who still controls the flow of information. And until that is forcibly wrested from them, the tide is stil rolling in the same direction.
2003-09-29 23:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]But don't think the tide is necessarily turning because of this. Remember who still controls the flow of information. And until that is forcibly wrested from them, the tide is stil rolling in the same direction.[/QUOTE]
It is good to see MacDonald, a man whose work certainly affected my view of things, getting some exposure. But I think the thing for folks on our side to keep in mind is to remain wary by never underestimating the ability of the Establishment 'System' to adapt and assimilate the random squeaky wheel.
2003-09-30 02:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It is good to see MacDonald, a man whose work certainly affected my view of things, getting some exposure. But I think the thing for folks on our side to keep in mind is to remain wary by never underestimating the ability of the Establishment 'System' to adapt and assimilate the random squeaky wheel.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Still, like Angler, I'm amazed that WorldNetDaily would publish a piece by MacDonald. What's next? Will THE WEEKLY STANDARD or the WALL STREET JOURNAL open their pages to him? :dry:
2003-09-30 16:57 | User Profile
Check out what WND is publishing now:
[url]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34847[/url]
Makes ya wonder if the ADL caught wind of MacDonald's piece on their site.
2003-09-30 17:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Chaucer]Check out what WND is publishing now:
[url]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34847[/url]
Makes ya wonder if the ADL caught wind of MacDonald's piece on their site.[/QUOTE] :disgust: :dung: [img]http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/pukeface.gif[/img] [img]http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/puke.gif[/img]
2003-09-30 17:14 | User Profile
lol...
2003-09-30 19:06 | User Profile
[quoting WNDaily]: "The upcoming October edition of WorldNetDaily's acclaimed monthly Whistleblower magazine will be "the most powerful journalistic probe yet of the current worldwide explosion of anti-Semitism..." [endquote].
Anti-Sandwichspread? Why don't some people like sandwich spread? And, how can sandwich spread explode? I thought most sandwich spread was non-explosive...
:jester:
"Yes, Tex, I'll have a peanut-butter-and-jelly on white bread, toasted, hold the margarine, and...some matzo crackers. To go."
2003-09-30 22:31 | User Profile
Whoa, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Most rank and file White people are as brainwashed as ever.
We still have a long way to go before people wake up to the evil of the Jew.