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Thread ID: 10090 | Posts: 23 | Started: 2003-09-28
2003-09-28 15:43 | User Profile
[url]http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_092703.htm[/url]
See the response at the bottom of the letter from "An Hispanic Triumphalist":
Peter Brimelow writes: Aha, you canââ¬â¢t fool us! This is obviously written by a white radical agent provocateur, possibly the savagely witty but scabrously incorrect [link to VNN] Alex Linder himself. One clue: whoever talks of Darwin, apart from our own Estefan Sailer? Another clue: itââ¬â¢s simply a matter of public record that over half all American abortions are non-white, and Hispanics are actually more than twice as likely as whites to have them, just as they have more every other family dysfunction. No real Hispanic chauvinist would lead with such a weak card.
We are a little puzzled, though, by the poor grammar, which weââ¬â¢ve rather unsportingly left uncorrected. Whatever else you can say about Linder, he can write.
2003-09-28 16:14 | User Profile
Wow.
VNN certainly does have a lot of useful information, even if you are operating with a perspective such as Brimelow's. Thus B. was likely attempting to clue his readers into this fact.
2003-09-28 19:06 | User Profile
Brimelow praising Linder.
My, my. (A lot of holier-than-thou 'traditional conservatives' - who swore allegiance to VDARE because it [I]wasn't [/I] VNN and stood foursquare 'against' it - now pause to wipe the egg off their faces. Don't fret, boys.....ya still got AMREN!)
2003-09-28 19:24 | User Profile
The room spins, lights dim, a whoozy feeling takes hold.... [faints]... :)
2003-09-29 02:44 | User Profile
I am not sue I agree with Peter Brimelow, I think it may well have been written by a stupid Aztlaner.
[QUOTE]Todayââ¬â¢s Letter: We Expose An Hispanic Triumphalist
From: Elio [email him]
Hi my name is Elio and I currently live in Canada (legally) but I lived in Texas and then in Queens, NY ilegally. It's funny to read your pathetic website and see all the buffing and whining towards us Latinos, that's the typical signature of a dying white race that cannot accept the fact that they are almost out of fuel in nature's grand scheme of things. The law of Darwin says that all species have to come to an end, and you anglo-saxons are no exception. These were Darwin's "signatures" of a dying species:
# The dying species fails to propogate itself having reached it's zenith, it's female members become infertile and the species continues to die little by little, with deaths outnumbering births [you anglo-saxons have that problem, your women are coming to the point of total infertility, 97% of aborted babies in the USA are white].
# The dying species fails to cover/conquer territory [you white Americans are not covering any more territory, you are retreating in a backward fashion, as a matter of fact we Hispanics are overtaking dozens of towns and cities every year with massive immigration and heavy birth rates, even higher birthrates than blacks. when was the last time you heard that anglo-saxon immigration had outnumbered an area originally populated with Hispanics?]
# The dying species starts to cede it's turf/territory to more dominant and vibrant species [white anglo-saxons started to cede territory to us latinos starting 25 years ago and the pace has not stopped, we hispanics are flooding the USA and are outnumbering everybody, even traditionally non-hispanic areas such as Kansas and Georgia are having a massive hispanic flood coming in]
Let's face it, we Hispanics are a vibrant and virulent new species, we are a mixed race especially adapted to conquering and flooding territories like a swarm of locust. You anglo-saxons can never compete with us because our genetic code is new, you white americans are a dying species with an outdated genetic code, this is the reason why you no longer have that vibrancy and fertility you had centuries back.
It's also worth mentioning that your culture has stagnated while latin culture is still growing and expanding. It's no coincidence that the entire world is now hooked to latin pop culture, even mainstream anglo-saxon america is feeling the latin vibrancy taking over their entertainment and music industry.
Darwin was right, some species die and other new, more vibrant ones take over. You Americans are trying to plug the sea with your pinky finger when trying to stop hispanic immigration and whining like a hog in this website, you CANNOT stop us, we are a locust swarm, a fresh mixed race in our infancy and with a thirst for conquering and colonization.
America will be 70% latino in 30 years, you guys should stop the whining and let nature and Darwin's "survival of the fittest" criteria take over.
Peter Brimelow writes: Aha, you canââ¬â¢t fool us! This is obviously written by a white radical agent provocateur, possibly the savagely witty but scabrously incorrect Alex Linder himself. One clue: whoever talks of Darwin, apart from our own Estefan Sailer? Another clue: itââ¬â¢s simply a matter of public record that over half all American abortions are non-white, and Hispanics are actually more than twice as likely as whites to have them, just as they have more every other family dysfunction. No real Hispanic chauvinist would lead with such a weak card.
We are a little puzzled, though, by the poor grammar, which weââ¬â¢ve rather unsportingly left uncorrected. Whatever else you can say about Linder, he can write.[/QUOTE]
2003-09-29 06:30 | User Profile
That's a good start.
I still remember how the critics of "Alien Nation" fixated on the passage where Brimelow speaks of his "blond and blue-eyed" son having to grow in an increasingly Third World Amerikwa.
"Race is destiny", indeed...
2003-09-29 14:31 | User Profile
I wrote a letter to Brimlow castigizing him for his irresponsible support of the pervert Alex Linder. I urge any Christian or moral member of this forum to do the same.
Dear Mr. Brimlow:
I am disturbed that you would support a pervert like Linder. He has a mysogynist view of women and treats them as much as an enemy as he does the Jews and minorities. He claims to be against Jews but posts porn on his site, pornography being an industry heavily run by Jews. Men, women, and children come to this site to read the latest on immigration and other paleo issues and they may decide to hit your link to Linder and view the profanity and pornography on that site. You need to publish an apology to your readers for exposing them to such trash and disable that link. If you don't, then you are not as serious about the strengthing the moral fiber of the American family as you claim to be. Linder gives conservatives a bad name. He is just a little boy-man looking for attention.
Sandy Kemper
2003-09-29 19:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]I wrote a letter to Brimlow castigizing him for his irresponsible support of the pervert Alex Linder. I urge any Christian or moral member of this forum to do the same.
Dear Mr. Brimlow:
I am disturbed that you would support a pervert like Linder. He has a mysogynist view of women and treats them as much as an enemy as he does the Jews and minorities. He claims to be against Jews but posts porn on his site, pornography being an industry heavily run by Jews. Men, women, and children come to this site to read the latest on immigration and other paleo issues and they may decide to hit your link to Linder and view the profanity and pornography on that site. You need to publish an apology to your readers for exposing them to such trash and disable that link. If you don't, then you are not as serious about the strengthing the moral fiber of the American family as you claim to be. Linder gives conservatives a bad name. He is just a little boy-man looking for attention.
Sandy Kemper[/QUOTE]
Linder is not a conservative and has never claimed to be one (or if he is a conservative, than he is, like H.L. Mencken before him, a conservative of a different sort).
White nationalism is a big tent, with room for genteel sophisticates such as Jared Taylor and in your face street fighters such as Alex Linder.
Chill out and don't be such a prude.
I have yet to see any pornos on his site.
In a different note:
I find it odd that Brimelow used that letter as a rather flimsy excuse to link to Linder's site; Brimelow often engages in casuistry in order to avoid the WN label and that was a good example of his frequent sleight-of-hand tactic. Decrying the "scabrously incorrect" Linder (incidentally, I doubt that Linder was the author of that letter) while linking to his site and praising his writing.
2003-09-29 19:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=American Patriot]This is unfortunate, I don't value VNN due to the unintelligent language and due to the fact that it will not appeal to the Gentile masses.[/QUOTE]
Linder does not want to appeal to the "Gentile masses", but to White nationalists and to those who are open-minded.
Linder is clearly an man who's a very capable writer and someone who can speak with an educated voice, when he so chooses.
2003-09-29 19:53 | User Profile
Skemper wrote:
"I am disturbed that you would support a pervert like Linder. He has a mysogynist view of women and treats them as much as an enemy as he does the Jews and minorities."
Ahhh, so you think women are "equal," huh? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!
2003-09-29 21:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Ahhh, so you think women are "equal," huh? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!![/QUOTE]
No, not equal, but above little squirts like you. Linder is just an over-40 never-married man who lives with his mother. He can't relate to women unless they are in a porno magazine. Some soldier. When serious trouble comes he will be hiding under her skirts and not fighting. Any man who supports that pervert's site is just like him or very stupid.
Guys, pictures of naked women are porn because you lust after them sexually. If you don't, then you are lying or a homo. You are committing adultery or fornication if you look at them.
This Linder is no soldier. All I see him doing is appealing to your baser instincts. Seriously, guys, would you leave you teenage daughter alone in the room with this Linder? He is the personality type who would go after an underage girl because he is too immature to relate to a grown woman. Would you want him or the other Linderites reacting to her like she was centerfold? Linder is no better than a typical black male.
I honestly don't understand why you men can't see through this fool.
2003-09-29 21:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Nude pictures don't really count. If you disallow everything that can turn people on, you may as well go back to covering piano legs. [/QUOTE]
Octopod, you call yourself a Christian. Well, if you are, then you are to put your desires under the Lordship of Christ. Christ in Matt. 5 that if you lust after a woman then you have committed adultery in your heart. Heterosexual men lust after pictures of nude women. This is a weakness that men have to deal with. If you refuse do deal with it, then you can consider yourself an unbeliever.
I Cor. 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
A few verses down, Paul has some further advice on how to fight lust.
I Cor. 6:17-20 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
A sin is a sin, even if you redefine it so that you can follow your lusts, Octopod.
2003-09-29 21:51 | User Profile
Why, you moralizing, finger-shaking, long faced, self-important broodsow......you're no different than the type of Semitically-correct carrion-bird that caws "anti-Semite! Hitler lover! MURRRDER!!" in high dudgeon whenever someone in the mainstream quotes MacDonald or endorses a book by Buchanan.
Way to go, madam. Better the status quo that wages wars for Israel while the center collapses at home, than the grievous bad taste of a man who types "f*ck"......
2003-09-29 22:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Octopod, you call yourself a Christian. [/QUOTE]
Culturally I identify with the West, also known as Christendom. However had you read my post "Alex Linder: A Reappraisal" you'd know that I'm not a Christian fundamentalist or Biblical literalist in any sense.
[QUOTE]Well, if you are, then you are to put your desires under the Lordship of Christ. Christ in Matt. 5 that if you lust after a woman then you have committed adultery in your heart. [/QUOTE]
According to the same book no human being is without sin. No man, no woman, no child - not one. Self-righteousness, however, is a mask worn by Pharisees.
[QUOTE]Heterosexual men lust after pictures of nude women. [/QUOTE]
Heterosexual men lust after pictures of [I]clothed[/I] women. And according to studies, women of all sorts - including avowed heterosexuals - lust after pictures of women:
[QUOTE]But a new Northwestern University study boosts the relatively limited research on women's sexuality with a surprisingly different finding regarding women's sexual arousal.
[B]In contrast to men, both heterosexual and lesbian women tend to become sexually aroused by both male and female erotica, and, thus, have a bisexual arousal pattern.
"These findings likely represent a fundamental difference between men's and women's brains[/B] and have important implications for understanding how sexual orientation development differs between men and women," said J. Michael Bailey, professor and chair of psychology at Northwestern and senior researcher of the study scheduled for publication in the journal Psychological Science. [/QUOTE]
A weakness that men have to deal with, eh? Like it or not, women are equally vulnerable to their own lustful feelings - however much you want to point the finger at men.
2003-09-29 22:02 | User Profile
My apologies - I'm at my friend Pat's (croesus') home and forgot to log back into my own name.
Octopod
2003-09-29 22:23 | User Profile
No doubt about it: Linder is an excellent and entertaining scribbler, and his site is a joy to visit.
I, too, doubt that he penned the letter.
2003-09-29 22:35 | User Profile
il ragno, octopod and friedrich b.: excellent posts.
"Yes, the our race may be on the verge of annihilation, but please, don't use the 'N' word! If God decides that the White race is to become extinct, we're going to do so honorably, without using any racial slurs or profanities! Do I make myself clear? Good. Now, let's practice writing a stern, yet civil letter concerning the illegal immigration question to our Congressman."
[size=1]With an attitude like that, maybe the White race deserves to go under. Non-Whites seem to have what it takes to win. I'm not so sure about Whites anymore. Could it be that "Elio" is right?[/size]
And I wish the VNN-haters would understand that VDARE was always just as hateful VNN, as far as the PeeCee jewsmedia is concerned.
I'll never, ever understand why people who claim to care about the White race hate VNN so much.
[size=1]of course, it could be they really don't care about the White race, but that's another issue...[/size]
2003-09-30 00:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Why, you moralizing, finger-shaking, long faced, self-important broodsow......you're no different than the type of Semitically-correct carrion-bird that caws "anti-Semite! Hitler lover! MURRRDER!!" in high dudgeon whenever someone in the mainstream quotes MacDonald or endorses a book by Buchanan.
Way to go, madam. Better the status quo that wages wars for Israel while the center collapses at home, than the grievous bad taste of a man who types "f*ck"......[/QUOTE]
I am disappointed in this response, il ragno, so emotional. I wish I could live up to your insult of broodsow, but alas I could not have children and had to adopt two white children. I obviously struck a cord. If you remove all " moralizing, finger-shaking, self-important" people like me, then laws will not be enforced.
Alex Linder will run when trouble comes and will leave guys like you holding the bag. Since you seem to be older than most of these other supports, please answer my question. Will you leave Linder alone with your teenage daughter? The answer has much to do with his character about other matters.
2003-09-30 00:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=American Patriot]What is the point of appealing to those that have already converted to WN? Isn't the goal to appeal to those that have NOT converted as yet? 10,000 Stormfront National Socialists are not going to be able to do anything. ZOG killed 550,000 "anti-Semites" in Germany, they can easily kill 10,000 Stormfront members. It is going to take 100 million American Whites to racially awaken to have any voting power to elect better politicians to the Government.
I am sure he has a high IQ, but he uses it for unintelligent endeavors. Do you actually think the average White American is going to take seriously a website with the title "No Jews, Just Right" right on the top of the home page? If you notice, the only "anti-Semite" that is racially awakening NEW Whites is Kevin MacDonald because he uses language that mainstream Whites can relate to and accept as respectable. National Socialist groups, Ku Klux Klan, and the Skinhead movements are completely useless and only appeal to those that have already accepted them, not new Whites.[/QUOTE]
Bravo. So well put. He has the mind of a juvenile. His manner of writing is very immature. I hear WN men complain all the time about the shortage of women in the movement. There are plenty of right-winged women out there like me, but if they read Linder's mysogynistic views and his insults of women WN's and other right-winged women, then many will sit on the sidelines rather than join. Why join a movement where the men hate you and treat you lower than a black? However, contrary to some men's beliefs, they will not run into the arms of blacks.
2003-09-30 01:32 | User Profile
I'll let Alex Linder respond to this and go refill my cup of coffee in the interim:
[QUOTE]If I'm "scabrously incorrect," whatever that means, perhaps the too well mannered Brimelow ought to point out where. Because I'm operating on the assumption that Brimelow's come-around to the point of openly printing Kevin MacDonald, whose cause VNN has championed over more than any other site the past three years, shows exactly what I've always said: VNN is right. The truth and the guts and the future are on our side -- INEVITABLE, ITZ. And the smart guys on the "right" know we're right, and that it's purely a matter of insufficient courage that they haven't joined us. All you out there who think itz strategy or cleverness are idiots who confuse your own taste with what works. Beating the jews is about as strategically difficult as mowing the yard. Acting like there's something hard about it is just an excuse to avoid doing what needs done. When I get up in the morning, I know that in ten minutes, exactly what I say will be posted on VNN for the world to read, and no jew-feminist editor Kopec or jew-indoctrinated neo-con Tyrrell will come between my mind and the readers. Everybody in "the game" knows whatz going on. Anybody who hits the internet circuit with open mind learns the truth of what WE ALL at VNN are saying, and finds himself pulled, inevitably, our way. We don't have to lie -- ever. The neocon has to lie fifteen times a day, and spend all night on the phone with the rest of the hookentariat coordinating the false spin for tomorrow. Name the jew; name yourself White. Those are the two litmust tests for positive progress. I sincerely hope and expect to see more jew-naming stuff from WASP Brimelow and the intelligent but mostly useless cannies who scribe for him, and I'm going to continue beating the hell out of coward Rockwell until he is reduced in the eyes of his colleagues -- NONE of whom will defend him -- to exactly what he is: a sniveling jew-afeared ninny who MISLEADS his people on the most important issue of the day. As always, to anybody who thinks we're "tabloid," as people love to lob at any undessicated site they don't like, why don't you step up on the curb and just try to falsify ONE of our arguments; produce one datum thatz out of line. VNN doesn't lie. We don't need to. The truth is on our side, and itz good to see the pretender sites start to recognize that. All honest men, making their researches, thinking their thoughts, move VNNwardly. And that will continue, "a little bit louder now." [/QUOTE]
2003-09-30 01:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=croesus]Culturally I identify with the West, also known as Christendom. However had you read my post "Alex Linder: A Reappraisal" you'd know that I'm not a Christian fundamentalist or Biblical literalist in any sense..[/QUOTE]
Sorry, my mistake, I thought you had called yourself a Christian.
[QUOTE]According to the same book no human being is without sin. No man, no woman, no child - not one. Self-righteousness, however, is a mask worn by Pharisees.[/QUOTE]
Yes, no one is without sin but that is no excuse for not telling a fellow Christian about his sins. We are commanded to do so in Matt. 18. Scripture is not only for instruction and training in righteousness, but for reproof and correction ( I Tim 3:16-17). In I John, John states that the way one knows he is a Christian is if he keeps God's commandments. Habitually looking and lusting after naked women is adultery. And Yes, I say the same thing if women are doing it.
[QUOTE]Heterosexual men lust after pictures of [I]clothed[/I] women. And according to studies, women of all sorts - including avowed heterosexuals - lust after pictures of women:[/QUOTE]
True. Middle Eastern men lust after women in burkas, having never seen the woman's face. How much more so could a man control himself when seeing a picture of a naked woman? Mentally,for most men, I think it would be hard. All the more reason for a man not to look at porn. If one wants to stop water from flooding a room, one turns off the faucet first before mopping up the water. Most men deal with lust buy mopping up first and not turning off the faucet..[/QUOTE]
As for women lusting after women, well I do not think that is widespread. Now many women do wish that they had some feature or look that another woman may have in order to attract men, but I do not call that lesbian lust. And for the record, I have never lusted after a women. Lesbians disgust men and I am sickened when I see them in public. As for lusting after a man other than my husband, before and after marriage, yes, I have been guilty. Women are sexual beings too. It was only mental. Sexaul lust for me never forms based on a picture or personal appearance but after talking with the man. When I was single, God saved me from some situations. .[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]A weakness that men have to deal with, eh? Like it or not, women are equally vulnerable to their own lustful feelings - however much you want to point the finger at men.[/QUOTE]
2003-09-30 02:20 | User Profile
Holy Raised Profile, Batman! The ever-Waspy Peter Brimelow drops an association-dropping mention of The Devil, as the significant other calls him.
[url]http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_092703.htm[/url]
Comes to us now, the Brimmer is reading VNN. Who else, we giddily wonder?
2003-10-04 15:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]I wrote a letter to Brimlow castigizing him for his irresponsible support of the pervert Alex Linder. I urge any Christian or moral member of this forum to do the same.
Dear Mr. Brimlow:
I am disturbed that you would support a pervert like Linder. He has a mysogynist view of women and treats them as much as an enemy as he does the Jews and minorities. He claims to be against Jews but posts porn on his site, pornography being an industry heavily run by Jews. Men, women, and children come to this site to read the latest on immigration and other paleo issues and they may decide to hit your link to Linder and view the profanity and pornography on that site. You need to publish an apology to your readers for exposing them to such trash and disable that link. If you don't, then you are not as serious about the strengthing the moral fiber of the American family as you claim to be. Linder gives conservatives a bad name. He is just a little boy-man looking for attention.
Sandy Kemper[/QUOTE]
Actually, skemper, even though I generally agree with you I'm supporting Brimelow on this one. We need to stick together. Big tent and all that.
VNN is a voice that needs to be heard, even though I consider Linder well beneath my level of discourse. Call me vain.
I publicly promised to send VDARE $100 every time they name the Tribe, but even though this technically falls outside that promise it's still worth another $100.
That's $400 in the last 12 months, folks.
This is getting expensive.
"VDARE jonze, I gots a VDARE jonzze, I gots a VDARE jonze oooo baby, oooooo -ooooo . . ."
Keep it up, VDARE (but I may have to reduce installment amounts!)
Walter