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Thread ID: 10031 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2003-09-25
2003-09-25 16:17 | User Profile
can anybody please explain american objectives in asia and how it plans to achieve. thank u.
2003-09-25 16:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arya]can anybody please explain american objectives in asia and how it plans to achieve. thank u.[/QUOTE]
Arya,
Define Asia, exactly. That might help some of our learned members to reply more appropriately. 'Asia' by itself is pretty broad category. For example, do you include India and eastern Russia with Communist China and Vietnam?
2003-09-25 17:02 | User Profile
I wouldn't want to claim to be overly learned, but here's my two cents:
American policy maker are very much divided on the question of dealing with Asia. All recognize Asia as containing threats, but many think the best way to deal with these threats is through a combination of strong military, forward deployment (e.g., in Japan), and increasing trade ties. On this model, our goal is to see Asia become capitalist, rich, and liberal-democratic.
A minority of policy makers are less sanguine about spreading democracy or achieving peace through trade. I can only speculate on what they think is the alternative, but the rational course of action would be to trade with Japan and India to form an alliance against China (hence, limiting trade with China and developing our military capacities for neutralizing Chinese attack are part of this strategy).
2003-09-25 19:46 | User Profile
I'm not scared of Asia. They pose no racial threat to the West --- i.e., I don't see the Chinese attempting to take over North America. They're somewhat of an economic threat, but why not trade with them? I don't see it hurting us too much, provided some cautionary measures. Right now, ethnic Chinese are dominating the economies of Asian countries, so the racial tension there is between them and the other Asian strains. China and Japan have one thing going for them: racial homogeniety.
2003-09-25 20:01 | User Profile
This is what you are looking for:
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The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew K. Brzezinski
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I have read this book, although it has been quite some time ago. In Brzezinski's view, the fundamental goal of American foreign policy vis-ÃÂ -vis Asia is to prevent a significant Eurasian challenger to American power from arising. Asia is geopolitcally axial to world power, thus Eurasia is the "Grand Chessboard" in the "Great Game." It is quite unsual that a non-Eurasian power like the United States could stay a hegemon for so long. He talked a lot about the significance of oil reserves in both Central and Southwest Asia and what this would mean for China's growing economy. Also of significance was the collapse of Russian power in Central Asia and the Caucas countries. He calls this area the "Eurasian Balkans" where several powers: USA, UK, EU, Turkey, Iran, Russia, India, China, Pakistan are competing over influence.
2003-09-26 01:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I'm not scared of Asia. They pose no racial threat to the West --- i.e., I don't see the Chinese attempting to take over North America. [/QUOTE] You've never been to Hongcouver then where they've been flooding in for years. There's even a large shopping mall now catering specifically to the Chinese with all signs in Mandarin and all stores staffed by Asians. Many schools are minority white and more than half the enrollment (40,000) at UBC is Chinese.
The Chinese are great colonizers and they show little inclination to assimilate if they can avoid it. They're driven to acquire wealth and power, just like the Jews. I wouldn't underestimate them.
2003-09-26 02:39 | User Profile
There's only one thing the West ever wanted from Asia - exploitation. From the Opium Wars to the present, its the same. But now the tide is beginning to turn. And economically, THEY are exploiting the US population. They are doing this only because the formerly-US Multi-National Corporations are moving all the jobs there. Today, Levi-Strauss just laid off 2000 workers and closed all remaining manufacturing in the good ole USA. I will never buy a pair of Levi's again. Exploitation - cheap labor, mass market for our " entertainment " and technology , ( read- no US jobs ) and drug trade. Thats all it comes down to. Don't underestimate the Chinese. Clinton sold USA down the river and gave them all our secret nuke tech. And satellite. They own Panama now. They have close ties with all of South America, including Mexico ( who is not our ally ) and Cuba. We can defeat any threat in the world with our nukes, but we also would be virtually destroyed. The history os West/East relations is one of total exploitation. And now with MFN status we're selling Americans down the river .
2003-09-26 02:51 | User Profile
The Chinese, unlike the Jews, don't have a manual on deliberate destruction of the host societies, otherwise they are indeed ethnocentric and unassimilable when concentrated in enclaves (but again, not to the degree the Jews are).
2003-09-26 03:23 | User Profile
Yes, we have to watch the Chinese. They are an honorable foe, but it is simply in the nature of geo- and racial-politics that the two greats powers--the white West and China--will come to loggerheads.
[QUOTE=Wayland]You've never been to Hongcouver then where they've been flooding in for years. There's even a large shopping mall now catering specifically to the Chinese with all signs in Mandarin and all stores staffed by Asians. Many schools are minority white and more than half the enrollment (40,000) at UBC is Chinese.
The Chinese are great colonizers and they show little inclination to assimilate if they can avoid it. They're driven to acquire wealth and power, just like the Jews. I wouldn't underestimate them.[/QUOTE]
2003-09-26 06:05 | User Profile
Exelsis_Deo is most correct.
American policy is made in corporate boardrooms, not Washington, and many years ago they decided that the Asian market is "the future". They are the emerging markets that must be tapped, coddled, nurtured and owned or you're corporation is sunk.
Yuppies have been buying this line for years, it will not change until we have a catastrophe, which we very likely will.
Tex: The corporate people I talk with define "Asia" as India and China, with the rest of the hemisphere thrown in as an afterthought. This makes sense if you count where most of the customers are supposed to be once these imaginary markets are "won".
2003-09-26 14:21 | User Profile
Chinese outperform Westerners at their own culture. They couldn't create Western culture themselves if their lives depended on it, but they can perform it better than Westerners. If we allow them to settle in large numbers in Western regions they will quickly become the dominant ethnic group in many, many disciplines. Anything that requires test taking they will dominate. Imagine all elite universities 80% Chinese: a regular neo-con wet dream. Hey Western elites, your replacements are here!
How would you like to go to the symphony and have the performers 80% Chinese?
The fact that Chinese don't assimilate is good, even though it is not exactly true. Chinese men and women who grow up in the West seem to be perfectly willing to date Westerners so far as I can see.
2003-09-26 16:06 | User Profile
hi everybody, when i talk of asia,i talk of entire asian continent.east asia,south asia,south-east asia,central asia,west asia.although for many americans asia means only east asia with india included recently. i am not an expert,but with my newspaper knowledge i can summarise the general geo-strategic position of asia as the following: in asia right know and well into the future three powers will influence the fate of the continent.china,japan,india.of these three powers china and india has resonable military capabilities to influence events and japan completely depending on america for its security.the two outside powers which excerise considerable influence in asia are america[which is right now the dominant influnce in asia] and russia[as a eurasian country]. interestingly with in asia right now there is no THE dominant power capable of influencing events through the continent from meditterean to the pacific.east asia is dominated by china,south asia is dominated by india,central asia by russia,south-east asia by china and india,and middle east-west asia by america. china ambition is to emerge as THE dominant power in asia.the only problem is its powerful neighbours:reduced but still relevent russia in north,close watching japan in east and rising india in south-west.in the future china's main asian rival could be india,although china is way ahead of india right now.japan because of its small size and vunerable location probably will patch up with china.that leaves only india as the power capable of challenging china both economically and milatarally. india ambition is to maintain its dominance of south asia and extend its influence to south-east asia,central asia,and middle east.its main problem is its preoccupation with its smaller and insecure neighbour pakistan,and most importantly china which gave pakistan nuclear weapons to confine india to south asia so that india does not challenge china in the broader asian context. american objective in asia is to see no single country dominate asia.and to protect its allis like japan,south korea etc.in the middle east it is to see american dominance of gulf oil and protection of its alley israel. china's strategy is to keep its asian rivals japan and india preoccupied with its rough neibhours like pakistan[in india's case] and north korea[in japans case] by giving pakistan and north korea nuclear weapons.its strategy towards america is to influence america's powerful corporate gaints by opening its market and in the strategic sense have an allaince of convienense with russia. and u have fundamentalist islam streatching from middle east to south-east asia with prime members being saudi arabia,iran,syria,pakistan,afghanistan,bangladesh,indonesia and some central asian republics..all these countries r nothing but countries of tin pot dictators with mullah-milatary nexus.their only job is to destroy the status co,with out knowing what to do afterwards. this is asia today.any comments.
2003-09-27 22:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Chinese outperform Westerners at their own culture. They couldn't create Western culture themselves if their lives depended on it, but they can perform it better than Westerners. If we allow them to settle in large numbers in Western regions they will quickly become the dominant ethnic group in many, many disciplines. Anything that requires test taking they will dominate. Imagine all elite universities 80% Chinese: a regular neo-con wet dream. Hey Western elites, your replacements are here!
How would you like to go to the symphony and have the performers 80% Chinese?
The fact that Chinese don't assimilate is good, even though it is not exactly true. Chinese men and women who grow up in the West seem to be perfectly willing to date Westerners so far as I can see.[/QUOTE]
Bardamu, you and many others warn about underestimating the Chinese. Having gone to school with many Asians and having worked with them (HS in L.A., UCLA, working in IT) I can tell you that you shouldn't overestimate them either. Don't underestimate them, but don't overestimate them. E. Asians fall right into the stereotype of having no imagination. Why? Because it's true. It's almost incredible to witness. The ability to study, understand, memorize, might get you so far in school, but then you're out on a limb if you don't have someone feeding you ideas. As an Asian guy (Chinese) said to me in college, the Chinese "... don't seem to be able to see anything unless it's in front of them." Yes, they're driven, and part of it is their culture. Some corrections in this country, mainly fixing the yahoodi led dumbing down of our schools and destruction of our culture, would counter many shortcomings American students and workers have compared to the Chinese in rather short order. Keep in mind the average E. Asian kid in the US spends more time studying PER DAY than the average White youngster spends studying PER WEEK. The vaunted "intelligence" is also a product of hard work. Keep in mind that if Whites are supposedly so inferior, then why do the Chinese, Japanese, other E. Asians, and jews rely so much on industrial espionage, espionage, and patent theft against Whites? They aren't stealing the ideas and inventions from their own. They're stealing them from Whitey.
There is no doubt the White West and the Chinese will have some type of major confrontation at some point. How far that goes, and how it is handled, will be determined by how we have dealt with our "jewish problem" (and traitorous White elites), if at all.
2003-09-29 14:36 | User Profile
Guys,dont bring race into this again.i am talking about diplomacy and u people are again bringing topics which are not connected to this.some body even brought the jews in between and started comparing the chinese with them.
i am not talking about chinese people but chinese government at present dominated by the chinese communist party which may or may not represent the chinese people.
when u talk about geo-politics,u dont talk about people.u talk about nations and governments.
another thing,i dont think china and america will come into conflict in the future simply because the chinese have neither the capability nor guts to take on the americans.
and most importantly, dont assume that asian power primarily means chinese power.there are other countries like japan,india,russia in the race.
the basic mistake people make is they overestimate chinese power.for example india and japan have more advanced navy and airforce than china.