← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · friedrich braun
Thread ID: 10014 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2003-09-24
2003-09-24 18:05 | User Profile
The ever mounting cost of the American adventure in Iraq.
[url]http://costofwar.com/[/url]
the question to ask:
"...cui bono: who benefits? Any honest appraisal finds jews the chief beneficiaries, the sole cause, and the racketeers suppressing anybody who points this out."
2003-09-24 19:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]The ever mounting cost of the American adventure in Iraq.
[url]http://costofwar.com/[/url]
the question to ask:
"...cui bono: who benefits? Any honest appraisal finds jews the chief beneficiaries, the sole cause, and the racketeers suppressing anybody who points this out."[/QUOTE]
[I]A qui bienfait? Celui qui s'appele le juif et seulment lui, comme toujours.[/I]
The Iraq War is leading to 2 possible outcomes: WWIII and nuclear war or the complete collapse of the United States Of America. Take your pick.
Thanks Friedrich for that link.
2003-09-24 19:37 | User Profile
Americans as whole have gained much by elimating a power-structure that would have ultimately placed nuclear weapons in hostile hands. We have also gained by demonstrating something to Muslims that they respect: the will to use power. They felt hateful toward us, anyway; fear will temper their hatred.
[QUOTE=jesuisfier][I]A qui bienfait? Celui qui s'appele le juif et seulment lui, comme toujours.[/I]
The Iraq War is leading to 2 possible outcomes: WWIII and nuclear war or the complete collapse of the United States Of America. Take your pick.
Thanks Friedrich for that link.[/QUOTE]
2003-09-24 19:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=iwannabeanarchy]Americans as whole have gained much by elimating a power-structure that would have ultimately placed nuclear weapons in hostile hands. We have also gained by demonstrating something to Muslims that they respect: the will to use power. They felt hateful toward us, anyway; fear will temper their hatred.[/QUOTE]
Quoi? Do you really believe that, Anarchist?? I know you don't!!
Because, as you know, Americans have gained absolutely NOTHING by eliminating Saddam, nor the 'War on Terrorism', nor the PATRIOT Act, nor Homeland Security, nor 9/11, nor higher gas prices, nor a more unbiased media, etc. In fact, we, us, the people are the Losers!!
Now, at least we're on the same page.
2003-09-24 20:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jesuisfier]Quoi? Do you really believe that, Anarchist?? I know you don't!!
Because, as you know, Americans have gained absolutely NOTHING by eliminating Saddam, nor the 'War on Terrorism', nor the PATRIOT Act, nor Homeland Security, nor 9/11, nor higher gas prices, nor a more unbiased media, etc. In fact, we, us, the people are the Losers!!
Now, at least we're on the same page.[/QUOTE]
What the Americans have gained is that all those debt ridden countries in the world that are under the control of the IMF have gotten the message that they better do what Uncle Sam wants them to do or else. America's foreign policy is dependent on raiding small disarmed nations in order to tell the rest of the world that America is the 'indespensable nation'. World trade needs a hegemon. As soon as America's power sinks, the whole trade system will come down and national economic policies will set in. Do Americans benefit? Right now they do, because the world pays for their trade deficit, as the dollar is the currency of the world. America's control of the world's resources guarantees that position. The situation is unhealthy in the long run. But as long as America can weaken its potential rivals, the scam might work.
2003-09-25 03:06 | User Profile
>>>The Iraq War is leading to 2 possible outcomes: WWIII and nuclear war or the complete collapse of the United States Of America. Take your pick.
I am of the view that the latter is in fact desirable. I would like to see America fiscally exhaust itself in the Middle East, to burn itself out in Afghanistan, Iraq & beyond like the Soviets did in Afghanistan. Perhaps such a scenario would open the door to real social change here at home, a reassessment of exactly where we are, how we have gotten here, and where we are going.
2003-09-25 16:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=iwannabeanarchy]Americans as whole have gained much by elimating a power-structure that would have ultimately placed nuclear weapons in hostile hands.QUOTE]
Oh?
Tell me about those WMD in Iraq.
Another neo-con lie.
2003-09-25 16:55 | User Profile
Yes, I actually believe that US gained some things by invading Iraq. Also, I would note that you don't offer any counter-arguments to my claims.
[QUOTE=jesuisfier]Quoi? Do you really believe that, Anarchist?? I know you don't!!
Because, as you know, Americans have gained absolutely NOTHING by eliminating Saddam, nor the 'War on Terrorism', nor the PATRIOT Act, nor Homeland Security, nor 9/11, nor higher gas prices, nor a more unbiased media, etc. In fact, we, us, the people are the Losers!!
Now, at least we're on the same page.[/QUOTE]
2003-09-25 17:05 | User Profile
The WMD in Iraq I mentioned were possible future weapons. That possibility has not been virtually eliminated.
[QUOTE=friedrich braun][QUOTE=iwannabeanarchy]Americans as whole have gained much by elimating a power-structure that would have ultimately placed nuclear weapons in hostile hands.QUOTE]
Oh?
Tell me about those WMD in Iraq.
Another neo-con lie.[/QUOTE]
2003-09-26 16:57 | User Profile
friedrich braun: I doubt very much if this administration or any of the preceeding administrations allow Israel to call the tune regarding our excursion into mid-east conflagrations.
That said, I DO, think, however, that Israel acts as a 'buffer' state in the scheme of things. During Poppy Bush's Gulf war, we TOLD Israel to 'cool it' when she wanted to retaliate against Iraq...we didn't want WW III to start. And Israel listened.
We sent heap big bunch of dollars to Israel and the threat of those bucks perhaps being rescinded usually makes Sharon & Company mind.
2003-09-26 17:42 | User Profile
Anarchist says:[QUOTE]Yes, I actually believe that US gained some things by invading Iraq. Also, I would note that you don't offer any counter-arguments to my claims.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=iwannabeanarchy]Americans as whole have gained much by elimating a power-structure......[/QUOTE]
What we have gained, [I]mon ami(e),[/I]is a dreadful, precipitous economic situation from the ludicrous amounts of money spent of the unnecessary Iraq War for Israel.
We have gained an increase in people living in poverty in the US, here: [url]http://www.msnbc.com/news/972210.asp?0cv=CA01[/url]
We have gained all the bills for reconstruction of Iraq, which we destroyed unilaterally (not too many countries lining up to help us finacially) while our own infrastructure rots and our 'costs of living' skyrocket while jobs disappear daily.
We have gained the hatred of most of the Muslim world, where terrorist attacks on Americans in America and abroad are more likely to happen now.
[QUOTE]....that would have ultimately placed nuclear weapons in hostile hands.[/QUOTE]
We have gained a host of entire hostile [I]countries[/I] proliferating nuclear weapons production at a frantic rate, a la North Korea, Iran, and who know's who else, now that the US has decided to run the world through pre-emptive war. Surely, those countries wouldn't pass on nuclear bombs to anyone else, right??
We have gained the wrath of God, for the sin of mass murder. This unjustified war sold on bogus evidence and the subsequent killing of Iraqis, is murder.
[QUOTE] We have also gained by demonstrating something to Muslims that they respect: the will to use power. They felt hateful toward us, anyway; fear will temper their hatred.[/QUOTE]
Yea, right. That's why US Soldiers are dying almost everyday (2 more in the last 2 days) and terrorist attacks on various targets are daily occurances. I guess we really earned their respect, as you state.
[I]Quelle dommage! [/I] :(
Fade The Butcher, I agree with you. However, I'm inclined to think WWIII is more likely to happen first. The fuse to that nightmare is burning in Iraq where US military failure is likely to lead to US using nuclear arms to finally 'liberate' Iraq.
2003-09-26 22:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arjurg]friedrich braun: I doubt very much if this administration or any of the preceeding administrations allow Israel to call the tune regarding our excursion into mid-east conflagrations.
That said, I DO, think, however, that Israel acts as a 'buffer' state in the scheme of things. During Poppy Bush's Gulf war, we TOLD Israel to 'cool it' when she wanted to retaliate against Iraq...we didn't want WW III to start. And Israel listened.
We sent heap big bunch of dollars to Israel and the threat of those bucks perhaps being rescinded usually makes Sharon & Company mind.[/QUOTE]
As Sharon said (in typical Jewish arrogance and effrontery): "Jews control the US."
Israel does call the tune regarding US actions in Middle East.
When Jews and their lackeys say that Israel is the only friend of the US in the Middle East, one should keep in mind that before the establishment of that Zionist entity, the US HAD NO ENEMIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND ARABS WERE PRO-AMERICAN.
2003-09-27 15:11 | User Profile
We keep hearing about the "indispensible" services of our "plucky little ally" Izzyrael, but it's the biggest load of crap out there. Just how does their supposed indispensibility manifest itself? The Chimp doesn't dare use the Zionist Entity as a staging ground for attacks on "our" rag enemies out of fear that it would enrage the entire Muslim world. Their vaunted intelligence sharing? Like their "neglecting" to inform the U.S. of their exact knowledge of the plot to truck bomb the Marines in Beirut?
By all rights, we should've annihilated the filth after the Lavon Affair in the '50s.
2003-09-27 20:24 | User Profile
jesulfier: No, the Bush administration won't use any kind of nuclear weapons against Iraq or ANY middle-east nation precisely because of Israel.
Also, there is American presence all over the Middle-East so I doubt we would do anything rash.
2003-09-28 02:03 | User Profile
The place for resisting the enemy should start here at home. I'm speaking of Bush's non-existant immigration policy. Stupid to say we are stabilizng the situation in the mid-east with the lack of action here at home..out of fear of being called racist. While Bush is in that Iraq mess, Muslims here in the US are changing street signs to Islamic names, crazy.
The correct 9/11 response would have been to start in the US with getting control on immigration, expired visas, and foreign influence on US politics. That would go a long ways. Like one member says in his sig, 2% of the population causing 90% of the problems.
2003-09-28 21:59 | User Profile
iwannabeanarchy: obviously we haven't gotten rid of Saddam Hussein. No WMDs or chem/bio agents have been found to this day. 'Documents' and finding caches of weapons don't amount to WMDs. IF Saddam did have 'stuff' ready to use why didn't he - either in Poppy Bush's Gulf War or in Junior's invasion? Also, IF Saddam had 'stuff' he probably sold it to or gave it away to a friendly neighbor...and we don't know who that may be.
Suppose we just 'suspect' that we know who has them and invade whomever based on that supposition? After all, the Bush doctrine (The National Security Strategy Doctrine) clearly says that int'l law says pre-emptive strikes are perfectly legal if we THINK there is imminent danger.
Since we KNOW that 15 of the 19 terrorists were Saudis, why do you suppose we didn't invade Saudi Arabia? We didn't even have to Think about that one.
2003-09-30 22:53 | User Profile
Please name the state where the Muslims are re-naming the streets; as well, what are some of those names.
I await your answer anxiously.
Immigration hysteria: nothing new, I'm afraid...the only thing different is the skin color and THAT, my friend, is what the hysteria is all about.
Immigrants are loved by the Dems for their votes. Immigrants are TOLERATED by the Republicans because they are catering to Big Agriculture and the Hotel/Motel industry again for the votes. And here, color isn't an issue.