Assassination of Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov was not terrorism, but retribution

Macrobius Thursday 22 Dec 2016

Local Daimyo said: ↑

I agree; Erdogan's jihadi allies are very frustrated that he used them then turned his back on them in Syria. Erdogan and Putin have come to an agreement about their desired end states in Syria and Erdogan didn't try to contest Putin's conquest of Aleppo. This murder can be seen as a 2-for-1 retaliation against both by the discarded, angry proxy.

Also, I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Gersh Kuntzman. A diplomat who is not engaged in negotiations with you is a legitimate target in time of war because diplomacy provides direct strategic support to the armed forces, and is done by agents of the state in an official capacity as an integral component of the war effort.

Increasingly, I see the legitimate goals of any country's foreign policy *only* in terms of holding up the walls of civilisation (Katechon) against the genie of terrorism (Acheron). Not even 'stopping WW3' (whatever that means) is so important. Either the walls hold, or you can stick a fork in *this* Kali Yuga, which is far worse than any 'nuclear apocalypse' could be. The only comparable crisis in the last two millennia was the episode of Julian the Apostate, who gave serious thought, an maybe motion, towards rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem, before he marched on Persia and was murdered. The Christian Church does not give the term 'Apostate' lightly -- it was considered for Bolsheviks, and rejected by a small margin. We were on the brink of the US and Russia both being apostate, in the strict sense, not so long ago. Both have pulled back from the brink, but only just.

In foreign policy, we should be careful what we ask for. The only legitimate objective is two non-apostate Augusti, and a roll back of the Acheron. Reasonable men will agree that this is the paramount goal. The alternative is reducing all men not to 'Mere Christianity' but 'Mere Humanity' -- see C.S. Lewis' Abolition of Man -- in which the members of the public, that is, the People or Demos , are reduced to scapegoat status -- the Homo Sacer.

Context: http://cujhss.cankaya.edu.tr/tr/12dec2009/03 Ratip.pdf [ PDF] - Mehmet Ratip, 'Katechon Over Acheron: Carl Schmitt’s Ambivalence and the Sovereignty of Exception' [I don't endorse everything he says... but good orientation]

Specifically, the assassination is clearly the act of a partisan or terrorist. Since the states in consideration (Russia, US, maybe Turkey) all use state-sponsored terrorism as a means to an end, they are technically all criminal organisations. There is some motion, now, in the US, to halt our slide to the Criminalisation of politics (by undoing the works of the Clinton Foundation, including those related to Gulen ), and of the state. Against apostates, enemies of God, enmity is total. There can be no pity of such an enemy.

Remember this, if we do not succeed in reversing course: The last right of the Civilised Man , stripped of all other rights and with a boot stamping in his face forever, is the right not to pity. Are you ready, Snowflakes?

kenshiro Thursday 22 Dec 2016

Let me just say: articles like this are the reason I'm glad the "((( )))"-meme was created. Years ago, this sort of pointless, 5th-columnist war-mongering would fly right under the radar, but nowadays, something like this gets posted, then a bunch of 19-year-olds with Pepe avatars pop-up and repeat "(((Gersh Kuntzman)))" a bunch of times, and the matter gets dropped. The stready decline of Jews' ability to practice crypsis in America is probably one of the most significant social upheavals in recent memory.

Contra @Niccolo and Donkey 's point up-thread, there has been a small Ashkenazi population in Turkey since the 1400s (that doesn't give us any clues to the shooter's ethnicity, since I don't know how Jewish surnames were handled in the Ottoman Empire, and many Ashkenazim at the time didn't have last names. I will say there were some Turks on /pol/ who said he might be Jewish, but maybe they were just meme'ing). They're everywhere.

Niccolo and Donkey Friday 23 Dec 2016

There was no law on surnames in the Ottoman Empire so almost everyone that was not Catholic didn't have a surname (with only some Orthodox beginning to pick them up by the end of the 19th century). The naming convention in the Ottoman Empire for tax purposes and other legal matters was the very basic and crude 'name, son of' (Abdullah, son of Fatih). Ataturk decreed that surnames would be adopted in Turkey in 1924.

As for the assassin, he came from Aydin Province in Asia Minor, a province not at all known for Islamism but very well known as a hotbed of secularism. This does raise questions.

Macrobius Friday 23 Dec 2016

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_(allegation)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasianism

There's an interesting inconsistency here. Gulen's participation in the coup attempt against Erdogan is unlikely to have been suported by both the Eurasianists *and* the Atlanticists

Derrick Friday 23 Dec 2016

There's no war between Turkey and Russia.

The safety of diplomats is also crucial for diplomacy. If your diplomats are going to get killed maybe you'll just leave them home.

Local Daimyo Friday 23 Dec 2016

I was assuming that the assassin was not acting on behalf of Turkey but of Syria's rebels

perkunos Tuesday 27 Dec 2016

But wait, there's more!
http://wearechange.org/democratic-party-leader-wishes-people-died-russian-pl

Democratic Party Leader Wishes More People Died on Russian Plane
by Cassandra Fairbanks | Dec 25, 2016

An executive board member of the California Democratic Party and executive director of the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American–Islamic Relations publicly celebrated 92 people dying in a Christmas morning plane crash on Sunday.

Hussam Ayloush

Hussam Ayloush, a self described “human rights activist,” also stated that he wished there had been more people on board to die.

On Sunday morning, a Russian plane crashed in the Black Sea near Sochi. There were 84 passengers and eight crew members on board — including a choir that was en route to sing in Syria. There were no survivors.

As 92 families learned of the fate of their loved ones, Ayloush took to Twitter to spread his message of hate.

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Last year, Ayloush blamed the United States for the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, where 14 innocent lives were taken and dozens more injured.

“Let’s not forget that some of our own foreign policy, as Americans, as the West, have fueled that extremism,” Ayloush said on CNN’s New Day following the attack.

The day after Donald Trump was elected, Ayloush tweeted a call for the US government to be overthrown in Arabic.

In 2004, Ayloush stated that the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York was also the fault of the US — because of the nation’s support for Israel.

CAIR, which is funded by Saudi Arabia, has been declared a terrorist organization in the United Arab Emirates for their ties to radical Islamic groups.

The well-connected and high level Democrat has also stated that Islam must prevail over all other religions, and that “Islam is not for Muslims only. Islam is for the whole humanity, as all of us understand.”

“He (Allah) is the one who has sent His messenger Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, with the guidance, the guidance of Islam, and the true religion, the religion of Islam, so it may prevail over all ideologies, all man-made religions,” Ayloush said at the ‘Why Islam’ 4th Annual Fundraising Banquet, in California in 2008.

In other statements and speeches, he has spoke on the “evils of informants,” discouraging the Muslim community from approaching law enforcement if they are concerned about someone who may have become radicalized. He has referred to Muslim FBI informants as sell-outs against the Muslim community.

Ayloush has since deleted his tweet celebrating the Christmas tragedy and wishing for more death. He is also attempting to walk back his remarks, after facing a slew of backlash.

“Deleted an earlier tweet I posted abt a Russian military jet that crashed on way to Syria before knowing it included non-combatants,” Ayloush tweeted.

Assassination of Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov was not terrorism, but retribution

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