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Daily Caller - Napolitano: California To Allow Illegal Immigrants To Vote For The Next President [VIDEO]

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STEVE GUEST
3:24 PM 10/13/2015


[​IMG] California Governor Jerry Brown (C), shades his face from the sun during a news conference for the Rocky Fire at Cowboy Camp Trailhead near Clearlake, California August 6, 2015. REUTERS/Stephen Lam
Judge Andrew Napolitano says that “if you are an illegal alien in California, get a driver’s license, register to vote, you can vote in local, state, and federal elections in California and those votes count.”

On “Fox & Friends” Tuesday, host Steve Doocy explained, “The state of California has passed legislation that will automatically register eligible voters when they obtain or renew a driver’s license. Governor Jerry Brown says it’s a way to increase voter turnout, but critics warn the measure could add millions of illegal people to the rolls because the state allows undocumented aliens to get driver’s licenses.”

Napolitano explained that in California, when one signs up for a driver’s license, one does not have to prove that they are in America legally. Napolitano explained that “other states… permit registration [to vote] at the time you get a driver’s license, have you go through another procedure in which you have to demonstrate citizenship.”

The new law in California would make the process “one procedure” according to Napolitano. “You may not even know that when you get your driver’s license you’re also being registered to vote. And there’s no requirement of proof of citizenship.” Napolitano argued, “All 50 states limit voting to citizens except when the state allows you to sort-of sneak in without proving your citizenship by getting a driver’s license instead.”


Napolitano explained that the argument about whether or not voting is a “fundamental right” comes down to whether or not voting “comes from our humanity like thought and speech and association and worship and self-defense? Or is it a privilege given by the government?”

Napolitano believes “the Supreme Court has wrongly said it’s a fundamental right. And once it said that, states like California decided to allow people to vote who aren’t qualified by law to vote because of the fundamental aspect.”

Napolitano argued that while it would be against the law for an illegal immigrant to vote in a federal election, “there’s really no way to monitor it. So if you are an illegal alien in California, get a driver’s license, register to vote, you can vote in local, state, and federal elections in California and those votes count.”

Napolitano emphasized, “It’s almost impossible to monitor this if the state is going to provide shelter for illegals to vote.”
Valley_Quail
I don't understand why certain people believe voting for governmental changes in a country which one is not a citizen of is some sort of fundamental human right. If I demanded that I had a human right to vote and possibly change France's government, would these people agree with me?

They were talking on NPR about illegal students being negatively effected by the Trump presidency, that their student benefits may be taken away. The story is delivered in a way that is supposed to make the listener think "Poor things, why is Trump being such a meanie? Why does he hate Students and learning?!"

It's as if it doesn't dawn on these people that the students in question ARE NOT FUCKING CITIZENS. This idea, extremely common in California, that just because you live here means you are entitled to the full rewards of citizenship is in complete denial of the Greek idea of citizenship. "Well it's really not fair to these students though. They can't afford to go to university if they don't have access to student aid!" They shouldn't be at these universities in the first place. There has been talk recently of turning Californian universities into "sanctuary universities" for illegals.

This explains why all the mexicans around here can't fucking drive.
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?
Jesse T. Richman a , , , ,
Gulshan A. Chattha b , c , 1 , ,
David C. Earnest b ,

Highlights


• First use of representative sample to measure non-citizen voting in USA.

• Some non-citizens cast votes in U.S. elections despite legal bans.

• Non-citizens favor Democratic candidates over Republican candidates.

• Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress.

• Voter photo-identification rules have limited effect on non-citizen participation.

Abstract
In spite of substantial public controversy, very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections. Although such participation is a violation of election laws in most parts of the United States, enforcement depends principally on disclosure of citizenship status at the time of voter registration. This study examines participation rates by non-citizens using a nationally representative sample that includes non-citizen immigrants. We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

Keywords
  • Non-citizen;
  • Voting;
  • Immigrant;
  • Enfranchisement;
  • Vote fraud;
  • Registratio
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