This is how Catholics will be remembered

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Niccolo and Donkey
Do you partake in the Sacraments?

Do you confess your sins to a Priest?

Have you performed any Acts of Contrition?
Nikolai

Yes, all of them aside from marriage.

Yes, I have confessed my sins to a priest.

Yes, I have performed Acts of Contrition.

perkunos

Nikolai: these videos of silly dancing in front of popes are deceptive nonsense, though I am personally horrified by them. Your documentary video is more serious business, and I encourage thoughtful people to view this.

I am a bad Catholic; an outsider, really, but I have historical cultural appreciation for the majesty of the Church. From my "most charitable" perspective it looks like Paul VI was trying to create a more ecumenical church that would tempt protestants back into the fold, and convert more low-IQ, short time preference bixnoods to the faith, as well as "modernize" to fit in with the space age. It should be noted that the effort was wildly successful in the latter case. I think this is possibly worse for the future of the Church, but from a theological perspective, this is a desirable outcome.

I am of the Belloq kidney: there is no Europe without The Faith, and no Faith without Europe. Converts from China or Africa may be good Catholics, but it isn't the same thing. The software works different on different hardware. Indeed, it is abundantly obvious that the software and hardware, even among Europeans has changed radically somehow, at least outside of traditionalist Churches. People simply don't take it very seriously.

While the low birth rates of Catholic nations tells a story, this is an effect, rather than a cause; the same thing is happening in all cultures confronted by modernity. The main thing which blows my mind: Western Civilization began falling apart at an incredibly high rate at the same time as Vatican-2. Maybe this is an effect, rather than a cause, but the 1970s were the last big suicide attempt of Western Civilization: it is still uncertain if this suicide attempt will prove to be fatal, but since then, there have been zero notable artistic, scientific or technological achievements from the West. To men alive in the years 1789, 1871, 1917 and 1965, the men alive in these different eras were recognizable; the differences were in technology. Personalities, morals and personal goals were similar. To anyone alive in those eras, the world of 2015 is completely bonkers. The morality of European man has been completely inverted. What was once stupid and foolhardy is now elevated as the highest good. This has consequences: there is no animating spirit any more in the West. It's a passionless zombie civilization. Despite all the "scientists" and "artists" we have now, and unprecedented prosperity, our achievements are practically nonexistant. People are pacified with masturbation, socialism and pharmaceuticals. The world will not change until some sizeable fraction of the population adopts a harsh and spare religion, dedicated towards changing themselves and others. I think this is where the revival will come from. I don't think it will be Opus Dei who seem to me poorly organized and more interested in control; it will be some new version of the Teutonic Knights. Ruthless and earthy men who live in the actual world. Or the Church will turn into an empty discotheque, and Western Man will devolve into a sort of negrito version of himself.

Cornelio
There is no Faith without Europe. The glorious medieval Church was the spiritual expression of the European man at his zenith. I believe the Church just adapts to the ideological currents in vogue at a certain time. In 15th century Spain, when mass deportations and religious repression were useful to the rulers, the clerics were at the forefront of the proccess, zealous guardians of the limpieza de sangre . In the 19th century, when social and egalitarian movements were gaining strength, the Church suddenly developed a social conscience and Rerum Novarum was published. When the fascisms looked like they were there to stay, the Church became fascist (see Italy and Germany but, above all, Spain). Then when the fascisms were extinguished the Church did a 180 degree turn and became ecumenical and democratic, all about love and equality and hugging immigrants. The Church has never fought against prevailing trends.

It is indeed an effect. The Church changed its face to become more degenerate-friendly, because degeneration was in vogue.

I can assure you Opus Dei are extremely well organized, that's the only thing they have going for them. They are however an enthusiastically modernist group.
Welund
Go to church.
thunderofzeus
Cornelio makes a mistake here.

The Crusaders were not allowed to breed with the native women of the conquered Levantine lands, which meant that resistance to their rule was still very high, the pressure valve was never released, unlike what happened with the Conquistadors. To add insult to injury, they betrayed Byzantium and sacked Constantinople.

The Church single handedly ripped apart and humiliated its' very own jihadist force. Medieval Christianity and Islam were very similar until this point. It is no wonder that the warrior Crusaders felt more spiritually aligned with the Mussulman they were fighting, that they should rather be on the same side.

Of course, there is an inherent and extremely poisonous asymmetry here: Golden Rule morality makes any ingroup - outgroup system impossible, which is probably why the caliphate might come to Europe. On top of that, priests refuse to teach their laity latin, and protestants refuse to read the bible in the original hebrew/greek, making them weak and stupid, which is another reason why the caliphate might come to Europe. It is possible however, that the Red Man is capable of eradicating Islam, or at least keeping it outside the Americas. The conclusion is that everything hinges on accepting euthanasia, and learning Arabic.
Niccolo and Donkey
Cornelio

See the role of the Church in Eastern Europe under Communism for starters. See the 30 Years War. See the Catholic resistance in England under the Tudors.
Cornelio
Can you please explain the importance of euthanasia?
thunderofzeus
Any lowering of birth rates requires acceptance of euthanasia. Without euthanasia, the elderly become an insurmountable problem.

Euthanasia also removes the fear of death, it breaks the demonic stranglehold of Abrahamic morality, which is arguably a cult of death and suffering. In a twisted and ironic way, the West has already destroyed its Christian morals by threatening planetary euthanasia, mutually assured destruction, against the Soviet Union. Well then, why does the West complain now about martyrhood bombings, when it is done by Muslims ? strap one on and go into a mosque !

But the muslim will not escape hell either. An atheist has better reasons to perform martyhood bombing than him. Can he really be sure the cleric is telling him the truth ? the cleric tells him he will not even die an earthly death, which is clearly not true. If the muslim believes his cleric, Islam has in effect introduced Papal Infaliability. On top of that, Islam has appropriated martyrhood bombing from communist agitators in Lebanon, and from the Tamil Tigers, a purely secular Hindu group. Is copying the ways of the apostates not a sure recipe for damnation ?

The Jew too, is he not a thick hypocrite for cherishing the Samson Option ? Jews cry like a baby when a Muslim martyr attacks them, but they threaten to take down the whole planet with them. If the Jew believes in the Samson Option, why doesn't his sons strap bombs and attack mosques ? The Jew is fucked from within, by supporting the fast breeding ultra-orthodox parasites, and fucked from without, by being surrounded by enemies, and not being willing to fuck the daughters of his enemies - preferring instead the impotent blonde shiksa. No escape.

As you can see, even more important than practical application, is the spiritual consequences that it brings. Euthanasia brings a seismic shift in all values, it is a force that nothing on earth can resist. God exists, and hell is eternal.
Cornelio

Ok, thanks for clarifying this point. I just wanted to make sure that you are completely insane.