Islamist Wave 2013 - Overview & Updates

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Angocachi
Excellent on ground reporting by Al Jazeera, interviews with Al Qaeda fighters in Syria
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/embed/d38NKWG1efU
These men are no longer just on the frontlines in the Syrian war. They are establishing a presence in villages, particularly those that lie along the main routes to the Turkish border. And in these villages they are laying the foundations for a future state.
They don't hide what their aim is: creating an Islamic state under Sharia.
We came into contact with the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, al-Qaeda's branch in Syria, at one of their checkpoints in the village of Dar Ta Izza in Allepo province.
They didn't want to let us pass without checking our identities. One of the fighters said that the "regime thugs working in the Free Syrian Army (FSA)" are trying to smuggle "wanted people".
After checking our identities, they escorted us to their leadership in the nearby village of Dana where there were deadly clashes between the Islamic State and units linked to the Free Syrian Army.
"You are our guests ... Don't worry," was what a young fighter from Tunisia told me when he got into our car.
Clashes
I told him that we are interested to hear the view of the Islamic State in Iraq on the circumstances behind the violence in Dana. It wasn't the first incident of its kind whereby local Syrian armed groups and Islamists engaged in clashes. They have become more frequent as of late.
"Why should we speak to the media? No one believes us anyway," the Tunisian fighter told me. "And the media is so biased against us. But anyway we are taking you to our commanders and they will decide what to do."
We arrived in Dana and it was clear ... The village was now under the control of the Islamic State. Scores of armed and masked men were patrolling the streets.
Armed opposition groups linked to the Free Syria Army were no longer there. They were forced to leave.
There was a gun battle during a demonstration against these foreign fighters. We cannot independently confirm who fired the first shot.
But Abu Osama al Tunisi says his men came under attack. He is the Emir of Dana - a title given to commanders in al-Qaeda's organisation. He is also a Tunisian.
Arrest warrants
Abu Osama showed us arrest warrants issued by the Islamic court in Idlib against those he said were responsible for arming the protesters.
"These groups were responsible for bringing the people ... who are government thugs and drug dealers onto the streets," Abu Osama.
"They are accused of corruption and refused to appear in court because they didn't recognise its legitimacy. So the court said force can be used to make the arrests. So we destroyed the sleeper cells.
"We say to those who want to harm or destroy the Islamic State ... It will become stronger."
And to become stronger you need the support of the people. We watched as they reached out to the villagers.
"I ordered my men to stay in their barracks to avoid any confrontation with the protesters," Abu Osama told people who gathered around him, and his armed men in the market.
"We were in our bases when they killed our bothers. We gave orders to our men not to leave our bases," he said.
"Did you see what they did to the Quran in the school when they ransacked it. Are they Muslims? I can give you a list of names who were invoked in the protests.
"They see members of sleeper cells who work for the government. Not one good person took part in the demonstration. They are bad. They don't oppose us but Islam. They don't want Islam. They had arms to kill Muslims."
A villager responded: "The protesters said they wanted to demonstrate against you Abu Osama. They said you were you were executing orders on behalf of God. They believe God didn't command you to cut people's hands off."
The conversation then ended.
Foreign fighters
At the start of the Syria war, many Syrians welcomed the help of foreign fighters who came from Islamic countries to support the fight against the Syrian regime.

It has been clear for some time now that these these fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Levant hope to achieve one goal: They want to create an Islamic state. But not all in the Syrian opposition share that goal. And this has caused tensions.
The group has been criticised by some for its strict interpretations of Islamic law and punishments, including beheadings.
The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria's rank and file is mainly made up of foreigners. They are cementing their power in opposition-controlled territories. But the Islamic state says it is working to cleanse the area from regime supporters and those who are fighting Islam.
And we asked its vali - or governor of Allepo province, Abu Atheer - why some accuse them of trying to weaken Syrian opposition groups by taking control over border villages.
He didn't want to be filmed. But he told us: if we wanted to cut the supply lines it is easier for us to take the warehouses of the FSA. Anyhow we are buying weapons from the FSA. we bought 200 anti-aircraft missiles and Koncourse anti tank weapons. We have good relations with our brothers in the FSA. For us, the infidels are those who cooperate with the West to fight Islam.
If confirmed, purchasing weapons from the Free Syria Army won't be good news for the West.
It is men like these the West doesn't want to arm and it has urged the FSA to retake areas under their control. It could be a recipe for yet another war within a war that will decide the new face of Syria.
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/middle-east/meeting-al-qaeda-syria
Longface

I used to know an Al Qaeda recruiter in Tunisia. He had a belief that the prevalence of sin and decadence is a sign that we are in the end times, which is why he believes that dying a martyr is better than living in a decadent world. After being trained, recruits are sent in some missions and later when reaching a certain level of expertise they have to blow themselves up. I don't know what ties the Syrian salafis with Al Qaeda, but from the little I know from this guy, Al Qaeda is not interested in ruling a country.

Yes..But the statistics are still true.

Maybe we could agree that women give thumbs up to any environment they're exposed to and therefore their opinions should not matter.
Angocachi
Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates send Egyptian Junta $8 Billion in the War on Ikhwan.

Egypt named an interim prime minister yesterday and Gulf states including Saudi Arabia poured in $ 8 billion in aid, as the biggest Arab nation sought ways out of a crisis after the army ousted the president last week. Interim head of state Adly Mansour announced a faster-than-expected timetable to hold elections in about six months.
Hazem el-Beblawi, a liberal economist and former finance minister, was named interim prime minister.
Former UN diplomat Mohamed ElBaradei was named deputy president for foreign affairs.
News quickly followed of $ 8 billion in grants, loans and fuel from Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
Saudi Arabia approved $ 5 billion in aid to Egypt and the UAE has offered $ 3 billion in desperately needed support for the economy .
The Saudi funds comprise a $ 2 billion central bank deposit, $ 2 billion in energy products, and $ 1 billion in cash, Finance Minister Ibrahim Al-Assaf said.
The UAE will make a $ 1 billion grant to Egypt and a $ 2 billion loan, state news agency WAM said.
The $ 2 billion loan would take the form of an interest-free deposit with Egypt's central bank, WAM said.
"The UAE stands by Egypt and its people at this stage and trusts the choices of its people," WAM quoted National Security Adviser Sheikh Hazza bin Zayed as saying.
Sheikh Hazza and UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed flew to Cairo in a demonstration of support.
http://www.arabnews.com/news/457496
Angocachi
Longface

The first link cites a "senior researcher at the counter extremism think-tank, the Quilliam Foundation" who doesn't cite any survey or study, but off the top of his head says 50% of converts to Islam fall out.
Fail.

The second link cites no study at all, but only quotes a representative of the " Protestant Federation for New Convert Immigrants".
Fail.

The third link cites no study at all either, but only quotes the " president of the Council of Independent Protestant congregations"
Fail.

The fourth link is dead.
Fail.

The fifth link cites no study at all, but quotes the " president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law" giving figures off the top of his head.
Fail.

Your final link cites no study at all, but quotes the " executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia." who writes Islamophobic books and is a high standing member of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations (Russian Orthodox Church).
Fail.

Try again.

Says the guy who thinks Islam is bad for women?
If women give a thumbs up to whatever environment they're exposed to, then why don't they convert to Judaism or Hinduism or Sikhism or Norse Paganism at the rate they do to Islam?
Longface

Sorry for not bothering to check the links more. Here's a better study, and even though there isn't accurate statistics I guess It's more credible.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/27/world-muslim-population-doubling-report-projects/?hpt=C1

My opinions are unrelated to the fact that Islam is bad for women. Me being a misogynist or a feminist doesn't affect this.
The environment they are exposed to is the environment they lived in(society), which is why Hindus stay Hindus, Jews stay Jews...etc. Likewise Christians leave their religion because they live in a society that advocate anti-religiousness.
Angocachi
Good link. Is there anything there in particular you want to point to, or are you just sharing a nice source on Muslim demographics overall?


That's true. But part of determining if Islam is bad for women is knowing their opinion of it.
What I've read from you is; 'Islam is bad for women, and if they like it, we shouldn't care what women think.' Major LOL.

Also true. But we can determine that if Nike customers approve of Nike in surveys and more non-Nike customers are becoming Nike customers than they are becoming Reebok or Puma, then we can say Nike is pretty good footwear.
Religion is on a market. That a religion's women tend to approve of it and it draws large numbers of women who didn't belong to it, then it might appear to be a religion that appeals to women... and therefore... might be good for them or good for the people they love (women often like -isms, technologies, products, etc based on how it will shape their family and society more than based on what it will do for/to them personally). In my opinion, women are drawn to the tough-on-crime aspect of Islam, that it hides other women's skin and segregates them from her man, that tempestuous bitches and cheating bastards are punished and shamed, that it instills a martial spirit to protect her and her society from outside threats, that it is communal around the mosque and pilgrimage, encourages social gatherings and extended families, obligates charity to the poor, orphaned, and widowed, that it discourages her son and daughter from growing up into disrespectful fags, lesbians, and whores. By Ramadan and Salat it enforces self-discipline, which appeals to women if not in herself then in her men and children. Islam answers the feminine mind, and puts her to doing what she does best by nature.
Theo

Probably because Islam is the only remaining denomination that agressively demands, that a husband converts his wife into Islam if he were to marry her. I know a lot of such cases in Syria - these women don't give a crap about Islam, they just love their husbands.
Angocachi
Islam demands that in Muslim/non-Muslim marriage the man is Muslim and the woman is either Christian, Jew, or Samaritan (though some scholars extended that to any monotheism so that, for example, a Hindu woman can marry a Muslim man if she worships only one of the pantheon). If anything, we should see more men converting to Islam to marry Muslim women.
If women are willing to convert and change their whole lifestyle to match just for a man, it speaks to the validity of his lifestyle and religion.
Theo

I don't know what the position is on paper, but its quite clear, that Caucasian and Arab muslims require their wifes to convert.

If women are willing to convert, that doesn't mean they'll be changing their lifestyle or start believing in "Allah". That just means that they are ready to play the game as long as it keeps them "in".

Angocachi
They often encourage their wives to convert, but it's not Islamic law that they do and is not required.
Your argument is down to women converts are just pretending to get a Muslim man?