"This bastardised libertarianism makes 'freedom' an instrument of oppression"

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popfop
And what about Reason? Aren't they almost exclusively gay-worshipping atheists?

I agree that political power should be devolved to more local bodies. I agree that the technocratic managerial state should be dismantled. I just don't see libertarianism as bringing these things about. As a rightist libertarian you're the minority of a minority. Most libertarians hold the same views as Marxists but just see neoliberal capitalism or anarcho-capitalism as bringing them about. And as I mentioned previously, the state only expanded under neoliberal leaders like Reagan and Thatcher, New Left Marxists swarmed into private universities to spread their filth, and the managerial state will continue unabated wether it's privatized or publicly funded.

http://www.metamute.org/en/content/state_capitalism_in_britain

Traditional European conservatism conceived the role of the state as the end result of the natural progression of an organic community. Individual>Family>Community>Nation>State. The state has always held a principle role in systems which are based on natural hierarchies and organic community.
Clancy
But this is a meta-discussion on libertarianism, and Rand, to many modern libertarians, is libertarianism. Ask any Paultard what their favorite book is and I can guarantee that a majority will name Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead . Of course her philosophy is nothing more than a travesty of Nietzcheanism; it isn't to be taken seriously, but it is impossible to discuss the people who call themselves "libertarians" without mentioning Rand's sociopathic "philosophy".
Angocachi
Their grievance is legit. They live the best lives in history by the work of their and their fathers' hands, and for being such productive work horses they have their wealth sapped by over-taxing, over-budgeting, over-controlling government on behalf of whoever can most effectively lobby.
Cadavre Exquis
Some people have experienced both. The (Former) USSR went through severe economic changes in last 30 years of the 20th century. Rampant free-marketeering in the 90's destroyed more livelihoods than the slow grind of socialist stagnation of the previous 20 years. And let's not chalk it up to a case of they weren't doing it right .
SweetLeftFoot
MOM! They broke the social contract!
SweetLeftFoot
No, you referenced Copenhagen saying that under libertarianism it wouldn't go to shit because they aren't Somalis.

AKA ... niggers.

And now you're dancing on the head of a pin.

Why not go to Tompkins Square Park or wherever the fuckhead Occupy kids have set up their tents and get your bashed by a cop to advance the cause of liberblahblahblah.

* I despise those Occupy fucks. I've been to Homs.
SweetLeftFoot
Their grandfathers who voted in FDR and his New Deal four times?

Their fathers who voted in LBJ and the Great Society?

Fuck off.
SweetLeftFoot

SteamshipTime denying that FDR was elected 4 times now? That the New Deal was the most popular US policy ever? That a NEW New Deal would be best thing to ever happen to the neo-liberal blighted yet still great United Statesd?

Team Zissou
Yes and no. There was a decidedly inorganic, unnatural Great Leap Forward to the modern State, including two fratricidal world wars along the way.

You are sounding a lot like Hans-Herman Hoppe. But the only way to natural hierarchy and organic community is to smash the State as currently constituted. Conservatism is dead because there is nothing left to conserve. And further, it is difficult to see us going back to monarchy or fascism--those were products of their time and that time has passed.
SweetLeftFoot

Meanwhile, real life goes on.