Hungary's 'Orbanization' Is Worrying Europe

Nikolai Sunday 20 Sep 2015

Jobbik is the only option for Hungary...Orban is the false savior of Hungary, all smoke and mirrors, without any lasting impact or effective solutions. He just gave into the Croatians and EU, opening the borders again after just 5 days of closing them:

Croatia 'forcing' Hungary to take in refugees
An estimated 8,000 refugees have crossed into Hungary from the Croatian border after taking a detour from Serbia.
20 Sep 2015 10:22 GMT | Humanitarian crises , Politics , Refugees , Mediterranean , Hungary

Hungary's border with Croatia, however, remains open, and the government of Milanovic has been busing the incoming refugees to the border, where 8,000 have arrived so far.

As the refugees continue to stream, Hungarian soldiers are also racing to build a fence on the Croatian side, just like the one on the border with Serbia.

Hungary has started to roll out coils of razor wire, but the Croatian leader Milanovic was dismissive of the move.

"Borders can only be closed by brute force," he said, "and that means killing".

Schengen zone

Meanwhile, on Croatia's western flank, 1,200 refugees have crossed into Slovenia, like Hungary, a member of Europe's Schengen zone of border-free travel.

Crowds were building on Saturday at border crossings and were kept back by riot police, who briefly fired pepper spray late on Friday.

But police began letting through small groups, mostly families, angering other refugees.

Al Jazeera's Lawrence Lee, reporting from Bregana at the border between Croatia and Slovenia, said that as of Saturday afternoon, the situation of the stranded refugees has "eased" due to the help of volunteers and humanitarian workers.

"But the question you keep hearing being asked over and over again here is: 'Why can't the European Union, with all its money and resources, do any better than this?'"

Many of the refugees said they do not want to stay in any of these countries, as most are heading to Germany, where they believe they will have more of a chance of being granted asylum.

On Wednesday, EU leaders are to hold a summit to try again to reach an agreement on how to share about 120,000 refugees.

Even then, more are on their way, flowing by the several thousand every day over the Balkans' borders, having reached Greece from Turkey by boat and dinghy.

Niccolo and Donkey Sunday 20 Sep 2015

Nikolai

What is he supposed to do if Germany and Austria want them? They aren't staying in Hungary, that is what is important.

Nikolai Sunday 20 Sep 2015

Hundreds of thousands (80% men) of migrants entering your country, soon to be millions, is an extraordinary security threat for any country. It is an invasion and a leader must defend his people from foreign threats. Hungarian women and children are mostly at risk here in the smaller cities and towns.

Croatia is just deflecting the problem to Hungary. There is no excuse. Same goes for Croatia and Romanian leaders.

Niccolo and Donkey Wednesday 13 Jan 2016

Hungary PM flags veto of any EU sanctions against Poland

BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Friday flagged a veto on any possible European Union sanctions against Poland, a strong regional ally, following a recent meeting with the head of Poland's ruling party.

Richard Hollywood Monday 18 Jan 2016

What is the origin of Poland and Hungary's friendship? I first heard about it in on 4chan's /int/. Shared hatred of communism?

Niccolo and Donkey Wednesday 17 Feb 2016

Richard Hollywood Asterion

Some good stuff here on Orban's Hungary:

Hungarian Lessons

I was surprised by how grimy and sooty Budapest was. So many of its buildings, once gorgeous , were in an advanced state of decay . This city looked better before World War II, for sure, and certainly a century ago. Since escaping Communism, Budapest is regaining its glories, though not at the same pace as Prague. There’s a peculiar local fad called ruin pubs, where hip types can drink and dance in these half wrecked buildings. Too creaky to boogie, I only glimpsed them from the outside, but they didn’t look half bad.

Antique Budapest Building. Credit: Linh Dinh

Decaying Building in Budapest. Credit: Linh Dinh

In the subway concourses, there were many homeless , and they stayed there all day . Other aimless types loitered . The underground shops offered food, drinks, magazines and flowers. Some were owned by Chinese. At street level, there were many gyro shops run by Greeks, Turks or just plain Hungarians. According to the 2011 census, 7.3% of Budapest residents were foreign -born, but most were just ethnic Hungarians arriving from Romania, Serbia and Ukraine.

Homeless person in Budapest Subway Concourse. Credit: Linh Dinh.

Before World War II, there were 200,000 Jews in Budapest and they had the largest synagogue in all of Europe. Half would be massacred by Germans and their Hungarian allies. In the countryside, a Jew’s chance of survival was even worse. Many Gypsies were also killed. Estimates of Gypsies in Hungary range from 3.1 to more than 10%. Thanks to a high birthrate, that percentage is constantly increasing.

Many of the most famous Hungarians were, well, not Hungarian, as in Magyar. Franz Liszt was German. Bela Bartok was half German and a quarter Serbian. Houdini, Robert Capa, Arthur Koestler and André Kertész were Jews.

Hungary has gotten much bad press lately because of Viktor Orban. Newsweek compared him to Mussolini, and John McCain described him as “a neo-fascist dictator getting in bed with Vladimir Putin.” When Orban became Prime Minister in 1998, he integrated Hungary into NATO so was seen as snugly in the Western camp, but with his second stint as Hungary’s leader, from 2010 to now, Orban has made some bold moves against both Brussels and Washington. What has been most highlighted and lambasted is Orban’s stance on the current refugee/illegal immigrant crisis, but some of his other decisions are even more rebellious against the hegemony of the AngloZionists, to borrow a term from the Saker.

Orban rejected the IMF’s austerity measures, increased Hungary’s oversight over its Central Bank, raised taxes for all banks and, in 2013, even kicked out the International Monetary Fund. Orban’s moves against banksters have not been foregrounded by the international press because banksters and their allies don’t want you to think too much about their rampant criminal activities.

In defiance of the AngloZionists’ effort to isolate Russia, Orban’s government agreed in 2014 to have South Stream go through Hungary. This Russian gas pipeline would also have crossed Turkey’s territorial waters, Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Slovenia and Austria. Though it would have benefited all of Europe, South Stream was scuttled by our global elites through pressure on Bulgaria. In contrast to Hungary’s decision, Poland has gone out of its way to avoid relying on Russian natural gas by arranging in 2006 to buy from distant Qatar. Thanks to a delay in the construction of a sea terminal, Poland still hasn’t quaffed any Qatar liquefied natural gas, though it’s already paying through its nose due to contractual obligations. Huffing the Russian stuff costs a lot less.

Besides seeking closer ties with Russia, Orban has repeatedly stressed that sanctions against Russia hurts all European countries. What he’s advocating, then, is a Europe that must look out for its own interests in defiance of the suicide diktats from the AngloZionists.

In 2011, Orban banned GMO crops from Hungary and destroyed 1,000 acres of corn planted with Monsanto seeds.

Also of note is Orban’s reaching out to Hungarians in neighboring countries. His government has provided monetary aid and even citizenship to all ethnic Hungarians (with the stipulation that one must speak the language to be naturalized). Thanks to the vindictive Treaty of Trianon after World War I, Hungary lost 71% of its land and 66% of its people. Not even Germany was truncated so ruthlessly.

Orban’s government has revoked tax-exemption status from most Hungarian religious organizations, including all versions of Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu and Baha’i, all but three Jewish synagogues, as well as many Christian orders or denominations such as Opus Dei, Benedictines, Marists, Carmelites, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Episcopalians and Methodists. The only ones to receive state recognition and support are those deemed traditional to Hungarian society.

Echoing Putin and other leaders, Orban has condemned NGOs as a fifth column. Though as a young man, Orban received a four-month scholarship from the Soros Foundation to study in Oxford, he is fingering the Budapest-born Soros as an unwelcome meddler in Hungary and the rest of Europe. Thanks for the chump change, George, but bugger off!

What you have, then, is a nationalist leader, and in Europe, we haven’t seen one in a long while who’s so unapologetic without sounding shrill. In his speeches and interviews, Orban explains himself quite clearly and candidly. To Die Weltwoche , a Swiss newspaper, Orban said in November of 2015, “There are terms and concepts which for a long time could not be uttered, but which are once again beginning to form part of public discourse. For example, ‘borders’—are they good or bad? We can once again say that they have their good sides. Or ‘nation’: this word can once again be used in a positive sense. “Christianity”: most European leaders – including myself – are advised not to use this word too frequently, because most Europeans no longer feel Christian. Now, however, this word is once again returning to political debates. Or ‘pride,’ as in ‘the pride of a nation’: once again it has become a legitimate expression. A positive consequence of the migration crisis is that once again we are attempting to talk openly about our continent’s identity—more freely than in the past two decades.”

The refugee/illegal immigration crisis has also exposed the impotence of the European Union, “This negative impression over the EU’s helplessness already existed before the migration crisis. The citizens of Europe saw it during the financial crisis and the crisis over Greece. They criticized their politicians for not being able to find a way out of the financial crisis. The stagnation of our national economies is still evident […] European citizens are convinced that their leaders are not effective. The migration crisis has, however, created a new impression. This is not related to effectiveness, but to democracy.”

With citizens having no inputs, and most European leaders unable to make decisions in their nation’s interests, one is left to wonder who are behind all this mayhem? Orban, “It is hard to shake off this thought. We were debating for months, but the outcome was always the same: ‘Let the people in.’ And on top of this, in the first few months, for some reason no one was able to say out loud that this is an issue of the utmost importance for Europe. For months it was first regarded as a humanitarian issue, and then as a technical problem as to where the refugees should be settled and how they should be distributed. No one raised the question of whether the essence of the matter is more about our existence, our cultural identity and our way of life. I do not know for certain what is actually happening, and I do not want to blame anyone; but the suspicion arises that none of this is happening by chance. I am not brave enough to publicly talk about this as a certainty; the suspicion inevitably emerges, however, that there is some kind of master plan behind this.”

The same elites who’ve weakened, if not destroyed, countries in the Middle East, North Africa, Europe and elsewhere have done so to the United States itself, and it has all been executed by design, for it’s easier to rule and rob prostrated and confused populations. The master plan is to reduce citizens of whatever nation to disposable cogs that must compete for the lowest wages and be chained to lifelong debts, as dished out by criminal banks. In the United States, farcical elections are held with sustained fanfare to give an increasingly angry populace an illusion of political participation. Whoever is propped up as “President,” the military banking complex, Anglo Zionists or American Empire, call them what you will, will continue their rampage worldwide while eviscerating their host nation.

Is there an alternative? Orban sees the world as having changed radically since the 2008 financial crisis, and there’s no recovery, in his view. Though guarded in his statements, he’s prepping Hungary for life beyond the collapse of both Washington and the European Union. In the meantime, Orban is straddling East and West. In August of 2014, Hungary was caught sending about 80 T-72 tanks to the Ukraine. Dumped for just $8,500 a piece, it hardly seems worth it to antagonize Russia. The Pentagon has also announced it will send heavy weapons and tanks to Hungary. Perhaps Orban will use these new tanks to retake the TransCarpathian as Ukraine weakens even further.

Joining NATO in 1999, Hungary participated in the embargo of Yugoslavia, and for the American wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, it sent 360 then 300 troops, respectively. After aiding the American Empire, Hungary is dodging the consequence by rejecting legitimate refugees. Orban was disingenuous, then, when he claimed, “We did not destroy the countries from which migrants are coming. We did not bomb anyone. We did not invite anyone here. And now those who dropped the bombs and sent out invitations want to settle them here. Is this fair?” Orban has evolved from a US-groomed protégé to a critic of Uncle Sam. He has matured.

It’s interesting that in all former Communist countries, citizens have rejected any globalist vision, as embraced by the left, to elect nationalist governments. American politicians also speak of defending the nation’s interests, but it’s only so much hot air from jerking puppets. With sane, intelligent voices drown out by incessant garbage, there’s no composure or wisdom in the public discourse. Instead, we get slogans or loutish insults. We dwell in a mad mental universe. In his 2013 Presidential Address, Vladimir Putin stated:

“Today, many nations are revising their moral values and ethical norms, eroding ethnic traditions and differences between peoples and cultures. Society is now required not only to recognize everyone’s right to the freedom of consciousness, political views and privacy, but also to accept without question the equality of good and evil, strange as it seems, concepts that are opposite in meaning. This destruction of traditional values from above not only leads to negative consequences for society, but is also essentially anti-democratic, since it is carried out on the basis of abstract, speculative ideas, contrary to the will of the majority, which does not accept the changes occurring or the proposed revision of values.

We know that there are more and more people in the world who support our position on defending traditional values that have made up the spiritual and moral foundation of civilization in every nation for thousands of years: the values of traditional families, real human life, including religious life, not just material existence but also spirituality, the values of humanism and global diversity.

Of course, this is a conservative position. But speaking in the words of Nikolai Berdyaev, the point of conservatism is not that it prevents movement forward and upward, but that it prevents movement backward and downward, into chaotic darkness and a return to a primitive state.

In recent years, we have seen how attempts to push supposedly more progressive development models onto other nations actually resulted in regression, barbarity and extensive bloodshed. This happened in many Middle Eastern and North African countries. This dramatic situation unfolded in Syria.”

These “progressive development models” are nothing but dignified cloaks to hide barbaric imperialism. The USSR worked the same way. Having never been subjugated and humiliated, Americans have only dished out, and not experienced, “chaotic darkness and a return to a primitive state,” but the elites that have destroyed so many lives worldwide are also working against us Americans, so a future of terror and degradation will be our lot unless we can muster up the collective will to challenge our criminal overlords. Sniping at each other, there’s no dialogue here, much less unity. It doesn’t look promising.

Tony Friday 4 Mar 2016

It goes back much further than that. They were ruled by the same King for one dynasty I think, and a bunch of Pollack soldiers were involved in the battle to take Budapest back from the Turks. They also share some national heroes. You can read more here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_and_Hungarian_cousins_be

Niccolo and Donkey Sunday 20 Mar 2016

Nelson Van Alden Bronze Age Pervert Asterion perkunos

Paraphrase:

"Mass migration masks itself as humanitarian but is actually an occupation of territory to erode the nation-state for internationalism."

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/embed/EbINrdyAXlE

Niccolo and Donkey Tuesday 10 Jan 2017

Tony

Civil activists fear new crackdown in Hungary after Trump election

Activists believe rightwing PM buoyed by election of Trump will target NGOs funded by foreign backers such as George Soros

The moves would be seen as the latest step by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, to transform the country into a self-styled ‘illiberal state’. Photograph: Mikhail Metzel/TASS
Foreign-backed civil society groups in Hungary, including those funded by the billionaire liberal philanthropist George Soros , fear they could become the target of a new crackdown from a populist rightwing government emboldened by the election of Donald Trump.

The Hungarian government is planning to force non-government organisation (NGO) leaders to declare their personal assets in the same way as MPs and public officials in what has been described as an “intimidation” of civil society. The proposal is scheduled to go before parliament in April, according to the newly published 2017 legislative agenda.

The move is seen as the latest step in a campaign by Viktor Orbán, the prime minister, to transform Hungary into a self-styled “illiberal state” , which has prompted a chorus of international criticism that democracy is being eroded in a country which joined the European Union in 2004.

Orbán has already faced widespread condemnation over moves allegedly designed to muzzle press freedom and curtail judiciary independence since his Fidesz party took power in 2010.

Some civil activists fear that while the prime minister has previously criticised civil groups as “paid political activists … attempting to promote foreign interests”, Trump’s forthcoming inauguration as US president could create an opportunity for a more focused onslaught.

“As a consequence of the election of Donald Trump, Orbán definitely feels that one of the only two international players – the US and EU – who care about NGOs’ situation in Hungary is now on his side because Trump is a fierce opponent of George Soros,” said Peter Kreko, senior associate in the Budapest-based Political Capital Institute thinktank, one of about 60 Hungarian groups to receive grants from Soros’s Open Society Foundations .

“Orbán expects that if he attacks Soros-funded NGOs this year, the US state department and US embassy in Budapest won’t defend them in the same way as before.”

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George Soros, who backed Hillary Clinton in the US presidential election, has been singled out by Viktor Orbán. Photograph: Luke Macgregor/Reuters
Hungary was named in a 2014 speech by Barack Obama as one of several countries guilty of “endless regulations and overt intimidation” of civil society, which he said was part of “a campaign to undermine the very idea of democracy”.

Such criticism is less likely from Trump, whom Soros – a financial backer of Hillary Clinton in the recent US presidential election – has branded a “would-be dictator”.

Orbán paid homage to Trump in a recent interview in which he also singled out Hungarian-born Soros, predicting that the coming year would be “about the extrusion of George Soros and the forces symbolised by him”.

“In every country they will want to displace Soros,” Orbán told the 888.hu website . “This can already be seen in Europe. They investigate where the money comes from, what kind of intelligence connections there are, which NGOs represent what interests.”

Ironically, Orbán received an Open Society grant himself to study politics at Oxford University’s Pembroke College in 1989.

“There’s an expectation by Mr Orbán that there will be more space for the Hungarian government to carry out measures that in our view hamper democratic governance and the rule of law,” said Márta Pardavi, the co-chair of the Hungarian Helsinki Committee, a human rights NGO.

“The Trump administration adds to that. Orbán also believes there will be governments or political parties in power in France, the Netherlands and Germany this year that could strengthen Hungary’s position and views within the EU.”

Orbán’s government previously clashed with the NGO sector in 2014 when police raided three groups part-funded by Norway Grants, set up by the EU and Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein to fund projects in less-developed European economies. Some organisations had their tax numbers frozen, effectively crippling their ability to function.

Civil society leaders fear similar bureaucratic obstacles in the future could hamstring groups that play a leading role in highlighting official corruption, defending refugees and migrants, and promoting human rights.

“It’s worrying for us and for our clients,” said Stefania Kapronczay, the executive director of the Hungarian Civil Liberties Union, which received about half of its funding from Soros grants in 2015.

“If these administrative requirements have the purpose of steering us away from our true mission, that’s a problem. It’s a trend we see around the world that repressive governments apply against organisations like ours, for example in Russia or Egypt.

“If we have to submit a financial report every three or six months, we don’t have the capacity to deal with it. At the same time, the information will be used by the government to defame civil society organisations and show that they are funded from abroad.”

Chris Stone, president of the Open Society Foundations, insisted the organisation would continue to work in Hungary despite government opposition but admitted the matter could become an EU “test case”.

“It’s not yet but let’s see what Europe does if the situation in Hungary deteriorates,” he said. “That’s a question for the whole of Europe .”

The Guardian sought a comment from Orbán’s official spokesman but there was no response by the time of publication.

Polyphemus Wednesday 11 Jan 2017

Jobbik is hardly a viable alternative. Can you imagine them running a country? Csanad Szegedi was Jewish and Gábor Vona embraces the Turk as his brother. Their leadership ought to offer some insight into their character. Furthermore, Jobbik is not a European party, and would be a liability to the continent.

The Morocco World News reported in early November that Vona even told a Turkish university audience that “Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.” On a speaking tour of Turkish colleges, Vona also highlighted Hungary's ethnic and blood links with the Turks, recalling the once-enormous Ottoman Empire which conquered Hungary and stretched as far west as Vienna. “We’re not coming to Turkey to build diplomatic and economic relations, but to meet our Turkish brothers and sisters,” Vona declared, according to Islametinfo.fr. Vona praised the personal friendships he has enjoyed from various Muslims throughout his life, including a Palestinian who attended his wedding as a guest.

He also threw down the gauntlet by making a sharp distinction between his views on foreign policy and those of other Western nations. “The West does not tolerate seeing my party support Turkey and other Turanian peoples, such as Azerbaijanis, in international conflicts.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/strange-bedf...-embraces-muslim-nations-seeks-eurasian-ideal

Is Orban comparatively moderate? Is Jobbik more radical? Sure, I'll grant you that, but it means nothing. They have neither the ability nor the values to proclaim themselves the 'saviors' of Hungary. And what has Orban done to make him so irredeemable? He didn't keep the country on lockdown forever? The migrants don't want to stay in Hungary anyway.

Many Americans seem to have their view of Orban colored by the episode with Richard Spencer, but they were right to eject him in any case. Free speech is a liberal value. It's nice until a subversive foreigner comes to your country to stir shit up for their personal political gain.

Hungary's 'Orbanization' Is Worrying Europe

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